The lowest gross margin assuming the numbers are correct is 37% (for the new iPad 16 GB WiFi). Still very healthy. And as stated already, these costs will rapidly decrease
And of course, all the content purchases are not included... Which is Amazon's sole attempt of making any profit on the Fire. I have a hard time believing the average content sales on the Fire are higher than the average iPad
They want you to buy the $80 a month subscription plan so you can make it rain on them every month on schedule.
There is no "defense of Samsung" possible, or any defense of anyone else who had every opportunity to change the game in 2007, and then again in 2010, but instead ended up trying to ape Apple.
Where was Samsung's big January 2010 tablet unveiling? You know, the one where it would be the Samsung CEO sitting comfortably in that easy-chair giving the keynote and astounding the tech world. Or Samsung's opportunity in 2007 to say via their CEO in a landmark keynote "It's an iPod (well, not for Sammy), a phone, and an internet communicator . . . an iPod, a phone, and internet communicator . . ."
What happened? All these game-changers, after which competing devices all began to look like them, (with some people not even being able to tell them apart: http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/14/...axy-tab-apart/) have Apple logos on the back.
I agree. Where was apple when motorolla INVENTED THE CELL PHONE? Where was apple when in 1997 the world first MP3 player was shipped?
Point is....how about apple actually innovate and create something NEVER SEEN BEFORE rather than take something thats always been around and put a spit and polish on it?
Quit acting like apple invented the cellphone or the rectangle, was always around.
Disclaimer: Not saying the idevices are bad products, they are actually great, i still use my 4th gen ipod nano to this day. Just saying lets not get carried away.
I agree. Where was apple when motorolla INVENTED THE CELL PHONE? Where was apple when in 1997 the world first MP3 player was shipped?
Point is....how about apple actually innovate and create something NEVER SEEN BEFORE rather than take something thats always been around and put a spit and polish on it?
Quit acting like apple invented the cellphone or the rectangle, was always around.
Disclaimer: Not saying the idevices are bad products, they are actually great, i still use my 4th gen ipod nano to this day. Just saying lets not get carried away.
Look up 'straw man argument'.
No one ever claimed that Apple invented the cell phone or MP3 player.
If you ever have an intelligent argument, feel free to let us know.
Lower margins is the penalty you pay when you bring new tech to the market. As production tech improves and component prices drop, the margins will self correct. That is the advantage of high volume purchasing.
"Although it was not plainly demarcated, the battery cell package is thought to be a Samsung product as well, which brings the company's share of BOM to nearly 50 percent."
So much for boycotting Samsung in favor of buying Apple products. Samsung makes big bucks from every iPad purchased. Given the difference in volume, they likely make more, in absolute terms, form iPad sales than they do from their Samsung branded tablets.
No one ever claimed that Apple invented the cell phone or MP3 player.
If you ever have an intelligent argument, feel free to let us know.
He's correct in some ways. Apple didn't invent the touchscreen phone nor the tablet. What Apple excels in is taking current technology and ideas and putting them together in a new way plus pairing it with great software. Apple makes things streamlined and sexy looking plus easy to use which is something that's obviously not easily done.
Is iSuppli privy to what Apple pays for components? With Apple's massive economy of scale, there's no telling what they are paying for components.
I was thinking the same thing. But likely they can determine the delta between the new parts and the old, leaving the "lower margin" conclusion intact, even if the exact number is, at best, suspect.
He's correct in some ways. Apple didn't invent the touchscreen phone nor the tablet. What Apple excels in is taking current technology and ideas and putting them together in a new way plus pairing it with great software. Apple makes things streamlined and sexy looking plus easy to use which is something that's obviously not easily done.
Thank yu. exactly what i was trying to say.
On the other hand you have companies like motorolla and Samsung who excl at making the backbone for things to work. Hence their huge number of FRAND patents. Maybe if they spend less time on researching how to make cellphones talk better to each other, and make 3g better and 4g better and make further the technology of organic LEDs and so on/ Maybe if they spend less time on that stuff and focus on design, they may be able to compete.
The lowest gross margin assuming the numbers are correct is 37% (for the new iPad 16 GB WiFi). Still very healthy. And as stated already, these costs will rapidly decrease
And of course, all the content purchases are not included... Which is Amazon's sole attempt of making any profit on the Fire. I have a hard time believing the average content sales on the Fire are higher than the average iPad
Content sales? Probably.
But Amazon sells much more than digital content with the Fire, and so the estimate is not very well-grounded. Amazon sells pretty much everything, and the Fire is designed as a portal to their store (much like the iPad).
Apple claims it makes almost no profit from App sales and other content, or is that old information which has now changed?
$39 bucks is pushing it. But when you consider that the old one works just fine, but now requires you to dismiss a useless Error message, then "greedy" might not be too far off.
But when you consider that the old one works just fine, but now requires you to dismiss a useless Error message, then "greedy" might not be too far off.
So you've reasoned that because Apple is being greedy by using the same same dock connector another year ? note that this is it's 10 year of use ? when they could have completely altered it year after year so that you would never see an error message you can ignore because they could make it so it would never plug in. Brilliant¡
He's correct in some ways. Apple didn't invent the touchscreen phone nor the tablet. What Apple excels in is taking current technology and ideas and putting them together in a new way plus pairing it with great software. Apple makes things streamlined and sexy looking plus easy to use which is something that's obviously not easily done.
That's true, but he's not the least bit correct. He claimed that Apple fans claimed that Apple invented the cell phone and MP3 player. No one ever claimed that, so it's a straw man argument.
So you've reasoned that because Apple is being greedy by using the same same dock connector another year ? note that this is it's 10 year of use ? when they could have completely altered it year after year so that you would never see an error message you can ignore because they could make it so it would never plug in. Brilliant¡
Nope. Wrong again.
Here's my reasoning:
No dock connector is really necessary. Others add standard ports.
The AV connector is priced at 39 bucks, while comparable cables are much cheaper.
There seems to be no physical need for existing owners to use the new overpriced connector, except that Apple screwed something to make it necessary.
Understand? Or do I have to go on and on once again? Do I need to draw a picture or something?
He's correct in some ways. Apple didn't invent the touchscreen phone nor the tablet. What Apple excels in is taking current technology and ideas and putting them together in a new way plus pairing it with great software. Apple makes things streamlined and sexy looking plus easy to use which is something that's obviously not easily done.
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Originally Posted by I am a Zither Zather Zuzz
Nope. Wrong again.
Here's my reasoning:
No dock connector is really necessary. Others add standard ports.
The AV connector is priced at 39 bucks, while comparable cables are much cheaper.
There seems to be no physical need for existing owners to use the new overpriced connector, except that Apple screwed something to make it necessary.
Understand? Or do I have to go on and on once again? Do I need to draw a picture or something?
Which standard port that was available 10 years ago would do all the same things as the 30 pin connector?
I agree. Where was apple when motorolla INVENTED THE CELL PHONE? Where was apple when in 1997 the world first MP3 player was shipped?
Point is....how about apple actually innovate and create something NEVER SEEN BEFORE rather than take something thats always been around and put a spit and polish on it?
Quit acting like apple invented the cellphone or the rectangle, was always around.
Disclaimer: Not saying the idevices are bad products, they are actually great, i still use my 4th gen ipod nano to this day. Just saying lets not get carried away.
I think you need to understand the difference between invention and innovation.
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The lowest gross margin assuming the numbers are correct is 37% (for the new iPad 16 GB WiFi). Still very healthy. And as stated already, these costs will rapidly decrease
And of course, all the content purchases are not included... Which is Amazon's sole attempt of making any profit on the Fire. I have a hard time believing the average content sales on the Fire are higher than the average iPad
They want you to buy the $80 a month subscription plan so you can make it rain on them every month on schedule.
They want you to buy the $80 a month subscription plan so you can make it rain on them every month on schedule.
If you're referring to Amazon Prime then you're mistaken, its $79 a year.
Considering all you get its a good deal.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/prime/ref=a...amazon%20prime
In defense of Samsung??
There is no "defense of Samsung" possible, or any defense of anyone else who had every opportunity to change the game in 2007, and then again in 2010, but instead ended up trying to ape Apple.
Where was Samsung's big January 2010 tablet unveiling? You know, the one where it would be the Samsung CEO sitting comfortably in that easy-chair giving the keynote and astounding the tech world. Or Samsung's opportunity in 2007 to say via their CEO in a landmark keynote "It's an iPod (well, not for Sammy), a phone, and an internet communicator . . . an iPod, a phone, and internet communicator . . ."
What happened? All these game-changers, after which competing devices all began to look like them, (with some people not even being able to tell them apart: http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/14/...axy-tab-apart/) have Apple logos on the back.
I agree. Where was apple when motorolla INVENTED THE CELL PHONE? Where was apple when in 1997 the world first MP3 player was shipped?
Point is....how about apple actually innovate and create something NEVER SEEN BEFORE rather than take something thats always been around and put a spit and polish on it?
Quit acting like apple invented the cellphone or the rectangle, was always around.
Disclaimer: Not saying the idevices are bad products, they are actually great, i still use my 4th gen ipod nano to this day. Just saying lets not get carried away.
I agree. Where was apple when motorolla INVENTED THE CELL PHONE? Where was apple when in 1997 the world first MP3 player was shipped?
Point is....how about apple actually innovate and create something NEVER SEEN BEFORE rather than take something thats always been around and put a spit and polish on it?
Quit acting like apple invented the cellphone or the rectangle, was always around.
Disclaimer: Not saying the idevices are bad products, they are actually great, i still use my 4th gen ipod nano to this day. Just saying lets not get carried away.
Look up 'straw man argument'.
No one ever claimed that Apple invented the cell phone or MP3 player.
If you ever have an intelligent argument, feel free to let us know.
"Although it was not plainly demarcated, the battery cell package is thought to be a Samsung product as well, which brings the company's share of BOM to nearly 50 percent."
So much for boycotting Samsung in favor of buying Apple products. Samsung makes big bucks from every iPad purchased. Given the difference in volume, they likely make more, in absolute terms, form iPad sales than they do from their Samsung branded tablets.
Look up 'straw man argument'.
No one ever claimed that Apple invented the cell phone or MP3 player.
If you ever have an intelligent argument, feel free to let us know.
He's correct in some ways. Apple didn't invent the touchscreen phone nor the tablet. What Apple excels in is taking current technology and ideas and putting them together in a new way plus pairing it with great software. Apple makes things streamlined and sexy looking plus easy to use which is something that's obviously not easily done.
Is iSuppli privy to what Apple pays for components? With Apple's massive economy of scale, there's no telling what they are paying for components.
I was thinking the same thing. But likely they can determine the delta between the new parts and the old, leaving the "lower margin" conclusion intact, even if the exact number is, at best, suspect.
He's correct in some ways. Apple didn't invent the touchscreen phone nor the tablet. What Apple excels in is taking current technology and ideas and putting them together in a new way plus pairing it with great software. Apple makes things streamlined and sexy looking plus easy to use which is something that's obviously not easily done.
Thank yu. exactly what i was trying to say.
On the other hand you have companies like motorolla and Samsung who excl at making the backbone for things to work. Hence their huge number of FRAND patents. Maybe if they spend less time on researching how to make cellphones talk better to each other, and make 3g better and 4g better and make further the technology of organic LEDs and so on/ Maybe if they spend less time on that stuff and focus on design, they may be able to compete.
The lowest gross margin assuming the numbers are correct is 37% (for the new iPad 16 GB WiFi). Still very healthy. And as stated already, these costs will rapidly decrease
And of course, all the content purchases are not included... Which is Amazon's sole attempt of making any profit on the Fire. I have a hard time believing the average content sales on the Fire are higher than the average iPad
Content sales? Probably.
But Amazon sells much more than digital content with the Fire, and so the estimate is not very well-grounded. Amazon sells pretty much everything, and the Fire is designed as a portal to their store (much like the iPad).
Apple claims it makes almost no profit from App sales and other content, or is that old information which has now changed?
So does this mean the "Apple tax" my guy friends are telling me I'm paying are false?
Nope. It doesn't tell you that. At most, it tells you that Apple makes a lower margin on the iPad than it used to at the launch of the iPad 2.
It won't placate the "Apple is greedy" trolls.
Especially all the ones that need to buy a new AV adapter for their iPad.
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD098
$39 bucks is pushing it. But when you consider that the old one works just fine, but now requires you to dismiss a useless Error message, then "greedy" might not be too far off.
But when you consider that the old one works just fine, but now requires you to dismiss a useless Error message, then "greedy" might not be too far off.
So you've reasoned that because Apple is being greedy by using the same same dock connector another year ? note that this is it's 10 year of use ? when they could have completely altered it year after year so that you would never see an error message you can ignore because they could make it so it would never plug in. Brilliant¡
He's correct in some ways. Apple didn't invent the touchscreen phone nor the tablet. What Apple excels in is taking current technology and ideas and putting them together in a new way plus pairing it with great software. Apple makes things streamlined and sexy looking plus easy to use which is something that's obviously not easily done.
That's true, but he's not the least bit correct. He claimed that Apple fans claimed that Apple invented the cell phone and MP3 player. No one ever claimed that, so it's a straw man argument.
So you've reasoned that because Apple is being greedy by using the same same dock connector another year ? note that this is it's 10 year of use ? when they could have completely altered it year after year so that you would never see an error message you can ignore because they could make it so it would never plug in. Brilliant¡
Nope. Wrong again.
Here's my reasoning:
No dock connector is really necessary. Others add standard ports.
The AV connector is priced at 39 bucks, while comparable cables are much cheaper.
There seems to be no physical need for existing owners to use the new overpriced connector, except that Apple screwed something to make it necessary.
Understand? Or do I have to go on and on once again? Do I need to draw a picture or something?
He's correct in some ways. Apple didn't invent the touchscreen phone nor the tablet. What Apple excels in is taking current technology and ideas and putting them together in a new way plus pairing it with great software. Apple makes things streamlined and sexy looking plus easy to use which is something that's obviously not easily done.
Nope. Wrong again.
Here's my reasoning:
No dock connector is really necessary. Others add standard ports.
The AV connector is priced at 39 bucks, while comparable cables are much cheaper.
There seems to be no physical need for existing owners to use the new overpriced connector, except that Apple screwed something to make it necessary.
Understand? Or do I have to go on and on once again? Do I need to draw a picture or something?
Which standard port that was available 10 years ago would do all the same things as the 30 pin connector?
Which standard port that was available 10 years ago would do all the same things as the 30 pin connector?
None. What does the AV connector do today that no standard port will do?
I agree. Where was apple when motorolla INVENTED THE CELL PHONE? Where was apple when in 1997 the world first MP3 player was shipped?
Point is....how about apple actually innovate and create something NEVER SEEN BEFORE rather than take something thats always been around and put a spit and polish on it?
Quit acting like apple invented the cellphone or the rectangle, was always around.
Disclaimer: Not saying the idevices are bad products, they are actually great, i still use my 4th gen ipod nano to this day. Just saying lets not get carried away.
I think you need to understand the difference between invention and innovation.