When I was new to using a personal computer I had Windows XP. I kept it through Service Pack 3. At first It worked OK. There were times when it would freeze for a while and I had no clue what was going on. I just restarted it. by my sixth year of using it the OS was driving me crazy. Even though I had no other reference OS for comparison I just was going nuts at times because of slowness, spyware, and things freezing. I had all the anti-virus and spyware cleaners. They just took a long time to run. I regularly defragmented the drive too.
So when these people say "...and with an operating system that people have come to love over the years,..." they must be insane or just flat out lying.
Vista was the epitome of junk. Windows 7 at one of my jobs was nearly as slow as Vista and wasn't much of an improvement.
I like the Ultrabook concept because some of these vendors are including USB 3 and card readers with them. Those are features that I can use now without needing specialized peripheral devices, unlike Thunderbolt. I'm almost certain I'll be getting a laptop with those features this summer. I'll just dual boot it and use Linux for almost everything except Netflix. I'll leave about twenty gigabytes for Windows.
I wish Apple would embrace USB 3. I'll await the new 7.85 inch device or perhaps the next 5" device Apple builds. If either of them is out by October that will become my go-to Apple device.
Apple is not in direct competition with chip manufacturers. It is a customer. A customer of an industry that developed without Apple as their main customer. I am sure Apple is happy to pit chip suppliers against each other, and happy as well to let them sell their products to others.
As a business people, all of Apple's execs understand their suppliers for the most part cannot exist solely based on working with Apple. Of course they will pressure for allegiance where they can. But Intel would not be one of those companies. They need Intel.
Apple distributes products through Amazon, Amazon sells tablets against the iPad, the list goes on. With these big dogs there is no way to avoid complex relationships.
Keep talking, Intel. A lot of people including myself have written off the rumors about Apple porting OS X to ARM sometime in the next few years, but keep flapping your gums like this and Apple might just do it sooner rather than later.
Apple will do it sooner than later. That's because they are always ahead of the curve. My guess is if these UltraBooks come in at the right price point and are OK Windows machines, they will sell. However, Apple has nothing to fear no matter what UltraBooks has to offer. I can see Tim Cook sitting in his executive chair saying "bring it on," we're already working on the next great breakthrough and you're talking about parity of today's status quo.
"So we did extensive research into what users' expectations were for their mobile computing devices, and there were four things that really stood out."
Translation...
"We did a poll and everyone wanted Macbook Air... so we copied everything we could about it and called it Ultrabook."
Windows 7, if that's what these will be running, easily trumps OS X 10.7 "Vista." So in that sense these are something to look forward to. As for machine quality, heft, battery life, it remains to be seen if these will in fact compete with the MacBook Air. Given that it's possible to buy an Apple refurb MBP less than $1000, these have some pretty tall orders to fill in terms of quality, features and price. My bet is that it will simply turn into another race to the bottom, where hardly anybody makes much money, and then, while they're busy beating each other up, Apple will blindside them with Next Big Thing.
The same old race to the bottom strategy employed by the pc industry vendors as they only know how to compete.
Actually, it's the only way they can compete. Not much differentiation other than shiny knobs if you have no choice but to use the same OS as the competition. People are not willing to pay extra for shiny knobs.
Could this have anything to do with the fact that Apple is finding Intel less relevant to their initiatives. Or is it that Intel is becoming the new harbinger of VAPOR predictions - the legal heir to Microsoft - VAPOR Masters?
This is a post PC world. MS and Intel are carving up last year's turkey! Intel is gonna need more than a fancy name to their high priced ecosystem-less computers.
"Why should I buy Wintel if I can have the real thing by buying an MBA" is the perception and perception is a reality that Wintel can't overcome no matter how many Ultra fancy words they concoct.
Steve would be on the phone asking for those Intel employees to be fired.
And perhaps they should.
Please Tim Cook, DO NOT BECOME RELIANT ON INTEL.
Well they could always start to use AMD, which have much slower procesors. Or maybe use ARM designs for their desktops which again cant compete with Intel desktop processors AND will require a rewrite of more or less all desktop programs.
face it, its intel or you are screwed.
Its just a comment. Is that what it takes to get this army going?
Fine, go to AMD and enjoy your second rate performance. Or go to ARM and enjoy lagging WAYYYY behind in the power stakes.
This is a post PC world. MS and Intel are carving up last year's turkey! Intel is gonna need more than a fancy name to their high priced ecosystem-less computers.
"Why should I buy Wintel if I can have the real thing by buying an MBA" is the perception and perception is a reality that Wintel can't overcome no matter how many Ultra fancy words they concoct.
My thought exactly. I even wonder if Intel have the inside scoop on something we don't ... i.e. Apple moving away from Intel? This seem alike a preemptive strike to me. If not it might be a shot in the foot.
I'm thinking the same thing. I bet that Apple is just about ready to switch their Mac line over to the A6 processor, starting at the bottom end.
How about a baby Mac Mini running on a multicore A6? Call it the Mac Nano. Bigger than an Apple TV, but smaller than a Mini. Perfectly usable for email, web browsing, videos, other lightweight tasks. Can run iOS apps, but uses a mouse. Boots from a small fast SSD, but also has a 2.5" hard drive. $300.
If I was Intel, I'd be really worried about something like that. Simple, robust, easy to use. Especially if the Mac Nano is followed by an MBA with an A7 for its heart. Intel who?
{referring to Apple switching to ARM} Apple will do it sooner than later. That's because they are always ahead of the curve. My guess is if these UltraBooks come in at the right price point and are OK Windows machines, they will sell. However, Apple has nothing to fear no matter what UltraBooks has to offer. I can see Tim Cook sitting in his executive chair saying "bring it on," we're already working on the next great breakthrough and you're talking about parity of today's status quo.
Sorry, but I don't see it. ARM just doesn't have the power to handle a laptop at this point. Maybe eventually, but not now.
I can, however, see the use for an 'iPad Pro' which would be essentially a netbook. iPad screen with a folding keyboard. Not really intended for much more than Internet access or maybe some very light iPhoto stuff. I don't see it replacing the MBA, much less the MBP, though.
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Originally Posted by doh123
Translation...
"We did a poll and everyone wanted Macbook Air... so we copied everything we could about it and called it Ultrabook."
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Originally Posted by dualie
Windows 7, if that's what these will be running, easily trumps OS X 10.7 "Vista."
Pray tell.... in what way does Windows 7 trump Mac OS X 10.7? And what makes you think that OS X 10.7 was anything like Vista?
So Ultrabooks are better than Macbook Airs (which they are the same thing as) b/c they are Windows. Really? Lame. Also that Lenovo Yoga looks like a terrible idea. All my friends w/laptops have all kinds of things happen to the top of their laptop.
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So when these people say "...and with an operating system that people have come to love over the years,..." they must be insane or just flat out lying.
Vista was the epitome of junk. Windows 7 at one of my jobs was nearly as slow as Vista and wasn't much of an improvement.
I like the Ultrabook concept because some of these vendors are including USB 3 and card readers with them. Those are features that I can use now without needing specialized peripheral devices, unlike Thunderbolt. I'm almost certain I'll be getting a laptop with those features this summer. I'll just dual boot it and use Linux for almost everything except Netflix. I'll leave about twenty gigabytes for Windows.
I wish Apple would embrace USB 3. I'll await the new 7.85 inch device or perhaps the next 5" device Apple builds. If either of them is out by October that will become my go-to Apple device.
As a business people, all of Apple's execs understand their suppliers for the most part cannot exist solely based on working with Apple. Of course they will pressure for allegiance where they can. But Intel would not be one of those companies. They need Intel.
Apple distributes products through Amazon, Amazon sells tablets against the iPad, the list goes on. With these big dogs there is no way to avoid complex relationships.
Keep talking, Intel. A lot of people including myself have written off the rumors about Apple porting OS X to ARM sometime in the next few years, but keep flapping your gums like this and Apple might just do it sooner rather than later.
Apple will do it sooner than later. That's because they are always ahead of the curve. My guess is if these UltraBooks come in at the right price point and are OK Windows machines, they will sell. However, Apple has nothing to fear no matter what UltraBooks has to offer. I can see Tim Cook sitting in his executive chair saying "bring it on," we're already working on the next great breakthrough and you're talking about parity of today's status quo.
"So we did extensive research into what users' expectations were for their mobile computing devices, and there were four things that really stood out."
Translation...
"We did a poll and everyone wanted Macbook Air... so we copied everything we could about it and called it Ultrabook."
.......windows desktops for all then.
I really need to sell my INTC stock. This company is adrift
It will hurt, because it was my first real investment back in 1995. But oh my God, have they F***-up in the mobile space
You should have sold it by 1998.
The same old race to the bottom strategy employed by the pc industry vendors as they only know how to compete.
Actually, it's the only way they can compete. Not much differentiation other than shiny knobs if you have no choice but to use the same OS as the competition. People are not willing to pay extra for shiny knobs.
And perhaps they should.
Please Tim Cook, DO NOT BECOME RELIANT ON INTEL.
"Why should I buy Wintel if I can have the real thing by buying an MBA" is the perception and perception is a reality that Wintel can't overcome no matter how many Ultra fancy words they concoct.
Steve would be on the phone asking for those Intel employees to be fired.
And perhaps they should.
Please Tim Cook, DO NOT BECOME RELIANT ON INTEL.
Well they could always start to use AMD, which have much slower procesors. Or maybe use ARM designs for their desktops which again cant compete with Intel desktop processors AND will require a rewrite of more or less all desktop programs.
face it, its intel or you are screwed.
Its just a comment. Is that what it takes to get this army going?
Fine, go to AMD and enjoy your second rate performance. Or go to ARM and enjoy lagging WAYYYY behind in the power stakes.
This is a post PC world. MS and Intel are carving up last year's turkey! Intel is gonna need more than a fancy name to their high priced ecosystem-less computers.
"Why should I buy Wintel if I can have the real thing by buying an MBA" is the perception and perception is a reality that Wintel can't overcome no matter how many Ultra fancy words they concoct.
Doesn't the MBA have an Intel chip inside?
Doesn't that make your comment kinda dumb?
Just saying......
My thought exactly. I even wonder if Intel have the inside scoop on something we don't ... i.e. Apple moving away from Intel? This seem alike a preemptive strike to me. If not it might be a shot in the foot.
I'm thinking the same thing. I bet that Apple is just about ready to switch their Mac line over to the A6 processor, starting at the bottom end.
How about a baby Mac Mini running on a multicore A6? Call it the Mac Nano.
If I was Intel, I'd be really worried about something like that. Simple, robust, easy to use. Especially if the Mac Nano is followed by an MBA with an A7 for its heart. Intel who?
{referring to Apple switching to ARM} Apple will do it sooner than later. That's because they are always ahead of the curve. My guess is if these UltraBooks come in at the right price point and are OK Windows machines, they will sell. However, Apple has nothing to fear no matter what UltraBooks has to offer. I can see Tim Cook sitting in his executive chair saying "bring it on," we're already working on the next great breakthrough and you're talking about parity of today's status quo.
Sorry, but I don't see it. ARM just doesn't have the power to handle a laptop at this point. Maybe eventually, but not now.
I can, however, see the use for an 'iPad Pro' which would be essentially a netbook. iPad screen with a folding keyboard. Not really intended for much more than Internet access or maybe some very light iPhoto stuff. I don't see it replacing the MBA, much less the MBP, though.
Translation...
"We did a poll and everyone wanted Macbook Air... so we copied everything we could about it and called it Ultrabook."
+1
Windows 7, if that's what these will be running, easily trumps OS X 10.7 "Vista."
Pray tell.... in what way does Windows 7 trump Mac OS X 10.7? And what makes you think that OS X 10.7 was anything like Vista?
Doesn't the MBA have an Intel chip inside?
Doesn't that make your comment kinda dumb?
Just saying......
What part of Ecosystem-less don't you understand? Maybe you should stop saying and start thinking!!