. This isn't anything Steve Jobs would want: KISS.
Setting aside the fact that you can't back up that statement with any real facts, I suspect Jobs wouldn't have wanted the lawsuits and negative PR of Apple being lax on account security.
Perhaps you would rather banks drop their fraud checks, stores be banned from asking to see a photo id, etc. just let me take your wallet which I just lifted, clean out your bank account because there's no pin, run up your credit cards etc. oh and thanks for the car I just bought in your name. Good thing you had really great credit so I didn't have to put down a down payment.
I like it when I can write my own questions for this sort of thing. Name of fist wife, second wife, third wife and so on ...
1. Elizabeth Taylor
2. Elizabeth Taylor
3. Elizabeth Taylor
4. ...
These days, I'm using 1Password Pro (a universal app) on my iPhone and iPad to store my passwords. "Important information" is protected by a 16-character "master password". The cool thing is this is all being synced up via Dropbox.
Gone are the days when I had a cheat sheet of 50+ logins on a piece of paper in my wallet. Today, it's more like 300+ logins (between home, work, etc.) with a variety of passwords of differing lengths and complexities.
So, if they sync between devices, they have your passwords on their server? is it known how secure that data is?
It is one option to have your data on a server. Another option, the one I chose, is to sync directly between two devices over wifi. I trust my hidden, WPA2 wifi security.
What I do for these security questions is have the same answer regardless of the question.
example, "What was your first car?" = banana; 'What is your mother maiden name?"=banana. That way it is virtually unguessable, social engineering won't do any good, and I will never ever forget it.
I was helping a friend last week and this security junk popped up. It won't accept the same answer to multiple questions but it did accept "ford", "Ford" and "FORD" as answers to the three questions. Now I'm worried that not only are these obscure questions but that they might be Case Sensitive futher decreasing my ability to correctly answer a question if I'm ever asked. Actually, other than "My first car" none of the other questions were ones that I could ever hope to remember the answer. If I'm ever challenged I'll probably be locked out from my account. And I've never had a problem with my account so I don't know why I was selected. I give this implementation a grade of E-!!!
I was helping a friend last week and this security junk popped up. It won't accept the same answer to multiple questions but it did accept "ford", "Ford" and "FORD" as answers to the three questions. Now I'm worried that not only are these obscure questions but that they might be Case Sensitive futher decreasing my ability to correctly answer a question if I'm ever asked. Actually, other than "My first car" none of the other questions were ones that I could ever hope to remember the answer. If I'm ever challenged I'll probably be locked out from my account. And I've never had a problem with my account so I don't know why I was selected. I give this implementation a grade of E-!!!
Then make better questions. Questions for which you can remember the answer. That's sort of the point?
Either give evidence of this or never mention it again.
If you weren't acting so condescending, you would know that you don't have any option in choosing the questions - that is the whole point of what people are moaning about; the fact there is no individuality or unique questions, just generic repetition which anyone may be lucky enough to know. If my BANK allows me to set my own questions, wtf are Apple doing trying to dictate these imbecilic terms - I make my own questions because then, sure as nuts, I am the ONLY person who will have even the vaguest of ideas what I am on about, let alone answering it!!!
Setting aside the fact that you can't back up that statement with any real facts, I suspect Jobs wouldn't have wanted the lawsuits and negative PR of Apple being lax on account security.
Perhaps you would rather banks drop their fraud checks, stores be banned from asking to see a photo id, etc. just let me take your wallet which I just lifted, clean out your bank account because there's no pin, run up your credit cards etc. oh and thanks for the car I just bought in your name. Good thing you had really great credit so I didn't have to put down a down payment.
I am a perfect example of someone who doesn't really give a damn about losing their ID (in practise, yes, I know I would) I have no money, no savings, no job, no equity, nothing whatsoever which anyone could possibly ever use. FFS - I can't even afford apps on my ipod at the moment, but even on free apps, this is being asked for. **** Apple for the lack of personalisation of these questions
Yes, because they have to tie the apps to your ID.
Just submit a bug report or feature request like everyone else.
Sorry, was in a grouchy mood earlier because of this....
I know they tie everything in, just frsustrating when i enter my password for an app, it begins dowloading, then halfway through (seemingly) it pauses and decided to ask me for my password AGAIN and then to complete these nonsensical things.
Bug report submitted - that's another stupid thing; I'm complaining about retarded security policy and they have mandatory sections on the feedback for operating software, version of iTunes and others. I think the key is in the "account security" not the fact I am complaining about iTunes not working.
Sorry, was in a grouchy mood earlier because of this....
Hey, no worries.
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…it begins downloading, then halfway through (seemingly) it pauses and decided to ask me for my password AGAIN and then to complete these nonsensical things.
Wait, really? That's non-standard behavior. I know that when you choose an app to download, it kicks you out of the store to the Springboard and asks for your password then, but not afterward… Or is that what you meant?
Bug report submitted - that's another stupid thing; I'm complaining about retarded security policy and they have mandatory sections on the feedback for operating software, version of iTunes and others. I think the key is in the "account security" not the fact I am complaining about iTunes not working.
When I first read the story about these questions, I was mystified. I could have SWORN that Apple not only had a system like this in place, but that they had for years let people write their own questions.
I mean, I have a serious memory problem, so it could all be wrong, but this just stuck with me, nagging in the back of my mind: 'could have sworn that Apple let you write your own questions'. I sure hope it'll be changed (again) to reflect that…
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. This isn't anything Steve Jobs would want: KISS.
Setting aside the fact that you can't back up that statement with any real facts, I suspect Jobs wouldn't have wanted the lawsuits and negative PR of Apple being lax on account security.
Perhaps you would rather banks drop their fraud checks, stores be banned from asking to see a photo id, etc. just let me take your wallet which I just lifted, clean out your bank account because there's no pin, run up your credit cards etc. oh and thanks for the car I just bought in your name. Good thing you had really great credit so I didn't have to put down a down payment.
I like it when I can write my own questions for this sort of thing. Name of fist wife, second wife, third wife and so on ...
1. Elizabeth Taylor
2. Elizabeth Taylor
3. Elizabeth Taylor
4. ...
These days, I'm using 1Password Pro (a universal app) on my iPhone and iPad to store my passwords. "Important information" is protected by a 16-character "master password". The cool thing is this is all being synced up via Dropbox.
Gone are the days when I had a cheat sheet of 50+ logins on a piece of paper in my wallet. Today, it's more like 300+ logins (between home, work, etc.) with a variety of passwords of differing lengths and complexities.
I once tried setting my password to penis, but it was too short.
Thanks for 'heads up' on 1Password App https://agilebits.com/
Me too, the little 'log book' getting full in recent years, and fast
(and approaching how many ? - smile)
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Curious about the Big Picture Future of 'Security'
Are some interesting discussions around about 'random' and 'computers/binary logic' etc
Almost as if 'any encryption code you can write, I can eventually write a code to de-code it'
Does seem at least 'theoretically possible' - 1's and 0's don't leave many options
Sorta makes ya wish for the good ol' days of analog
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Well, who knows - someone might come up with an App for Hieroglyphic-Cryptography
Or an 'un-hackable method-process' we don't know yet, can't imagine
(hint hint - consider DNA, that's fairly 'unique' - ha ha)
Yea, all this just getting started out there in our Digital Global Village
Think Different - Change the World - and Watch Your Back
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So, if they sync between devices, they have your passwords on their server? is it known how secure that data is?
It is one option to have your data on a server. Another option, the one I chose, is to sync directly between two devices over wifi. I trust my hidden, WPA2 wifi security.
example, "What was your first car?" = banana; 'What is your mother maiden name?"=banana. That way it is virtually unguessable, social engineering won't do any good, and I will never ever forget it.
?I will never ever forget it.
How would you ever remember it?
How would you ever remember it?
Really?? Try Lastpass or 1password. It helps.... (just kidding)
Really?? Try Lastpass or 1password. It helps.... (just kidding)
Those don't save secret questions.
I give this implementation a grade of E-!!!
I was helping a friend last week and this security junk popped up. It won't accept the same answer to multiple questions but it did accept "ford", "Ford" and "FORD" as answers to the three questions. Now I'm worried that not only are these obscure questions but that they might be Case Sensitive futher decreasing my ability to correctly answer a question if I'm ever asked. Actually, other than "My first car" none of the other questions were ones that I could ever hope to remember the answer. If I'm ever challenged I'll probably be locked out from my account. And I've never had a problem with my account so I don't know why I was selected. I give this implementation a grade of E-!!!
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Then make better questions. Questions for which you can remember the answer. That's sort of the point?
Either give evidence of this or never mention it again.
If you weren't acting so condescending, you would know that you don't have any option in choosing the questions - that is the whole point of what people are moaning about; the fact there is no individuality or unique questions, just generic repetition which anyone may be lucky enough to know. If my BANK allows me to set my own questions, wtf are Apple doing trying to dictate these imbecilic terms - I make my own questions because then, sure as nuts, I am the ONLY person who will have even the vaguest of ideas what I am on about, let alone answering it!!!
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Originally Posted by charlituna
Setting aside the fact that you can't back up that statement with any real facts, I suspect Jobs wouldn't have wanted the lawsuits and negative PR of Apple being lax on account security.
Perhaps you would rather banks drop their fraud checks, stores be banned from asking to see a photo id, etc. just let me take your wallet which I just lifted, clean out your bank account because there's no pin, run up your credit cards etc. oh and thanks for the car I just bought in your name. Good thing you had really great credit so I didn't have to put down a down payment.
I am a perfect example of someone who doesn't really give a damn about losing their ID (in practise, yes, I know I would) I have no money, no savings, no job, no equity, nothing whatsoever which anyone could possibly ever use. FFS - I can't even afford apps on my ipod at the moment, but even on free apps, this is being asked for. **** Apple for the lack of personalisation of these questions
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Originally Posted by Jonnysolar
If you weren't acting so condescending, you would know that you don't have any option in choosing the questions…
"I know that. Now."
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FFS - I can't even afford apps on my ipod at the moment, but even on free apps, this is being asked for.
Yes, because they have to tie the apps to your ID.
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**** Apple for the lack of personalisation of these questions
Just submit a bug report or feature request like everyone else.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
"I know that. Now."
Yes, because they have to tie the apps to your ID.
Just submit a bug report or feature request like everyone else.
Sorry, was in a grouchy mood earlier because of this....
I know they tie everything in, just frsustrating when i enter my password for an app, it begins dowloading, then halfway through (seemingly) it pauses and decided to ask me for my password AGAIN and then to complete these nonsensical things.
Bug report submitted - that's another stupid thing; I'm complaining about retarded security policy and they have mandatory sections on the feedback for operating software, version of iTunes and others. I think the key is in the "account security" not the fact I am complaining about iTunes not working.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonnysolar
Sorry, was in a grouchy mood earlier because of this....
Hey, no worries.
Quote:
…it begins downloading, then halfway through (seemingly) it pauses and decided to ask me for my password AGAIN and then to complete these nonsensical things.
Wait, really? That's non-standard behavior. I know that when you choose an app to download, it kicks you out of the store to the Springboard and asks for your password then, but not afterward… Or is that what you meant?
Bug report submitted - that's another stupid thing; I'm complaining about retarded security policy and they have mandatory sections on the feedback for operating software, version of iTunes and others. I think the key is in the "account security" not the fact I am complaining about iTunes not working.
When I first read the story about these questions, I was mystified. I could have SWORN that Apple not only had a system like this in place, but that they had for years let people write their own questions.
I mean, I have a serious memory problem, so it could all be wrong, but this just stuck with me, nagging in the back of my mind: 'could have sworn that Apple let you write your own questions'. I sure hope it'll be changed (again) to reflect that…