the round shape is also prohibitive....i'm sure apple is working on a fix for this. if they aren't, i don't have a problem with the current tray loading model. i think it works and looks nearly as sophisticated as a slot loading drive would
<strong>the reason the imac doesn't have a slot load drive is cause they don't have a slot load superdrive. i have a feeling once they can make them, then they will switch back to slot load on the imac.
i don't know if slot loading is better but appearantly apple does, so i wouldn't count on anything</strong><hr></blockquote>
yea but the new iMac tray is a very nice one...and I actually kind of prefer it over slotloading cause then the whole base is totally white and when you pop open the tray then its black but if it was slot loading there would constantly be a little slit that would take away from the iMacs look.
Who is Grüne Hölle, and why do you want him to die?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Let me answer: "Die Grüne Hölle" is a German phrase. Translation is "The Green Hell" and I am sure that nobody wants it to die although quite a few die or hardly died in it.
It is the nickname for the famous old part of the German racing circiut "Nürburgring" - if you are inro Fomula One Racing. Nicky Lauda had a severe accident there - didn't die but the flames took a part of his skin.
And I guess all these accidents and the demanding track reminded people of the hell. And the Green comes from its sourroundings - it is located in the Eifel sourrounded by lots of forrest am small mountians.
<strong>8mm discs and those funky business card CD's should be banned. Horrible things. Slot loader prevent snags and broken trays. Do we really want to move backwards?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Never seen such a business card CD myself. How are they shaped?
The reason I'm asking is because there once were those oddly-shaped CDs which even were slightly excentric. In case the same is true for those business card thingies, you couldn't (well, shouldn't) use them in modern CD-ROM drives anyway because of their very high rate of revolution.
Bye,
RazzFazz
EDIT: Of course the shape CDs were excentric rather than not so.
If you're worried about wobble associated with high speed, I don't think business card CD's pose too much of a problem. Think of an 8CM disc, but smaller because they're chopped to 6.3 or 6.2cm at the top and the bottom (to a straight edge, but maintains the curve of the CD to the sides. While it isn't round, it shouldn't wobble, cause it's balanced in at least one axis. The diameter is really small so that even at high speed it wouldn't have too much of a centrifugal effect. Also, only a little bit of inside track is actually read, so even a high speed drive shouldn't be able to pick up much speed.
Then you've never seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail dubbed in German.</strong><hr></blockquote>
"Knights of the Coconuts?" Yes, I have seen it. Several times. I don't know much German, so I just insert the lines in English in my head.
Actually, Derrick's comment was so funny, I think I hurt myself. I've been living here so long, I forgot what "Die" means in English.
So, to contribute to this dialog about CD drives, I definitely prefer the TiBook with a slot-loading drive, even if only in terms of aesthetics. I had a PB1400 with different dockable drives. In the end, I just used one everyday (and MO drive) and the other only rarely. I also felt compelled to lug these extra drives around, "just in case." I think replaceable drives are cool, but less functional in real world terms.
As for the business card CD, every time I've gotten one, I've thrown it away. Sorry.
yea but the new iMac tray is a very nice one...and I actually kind of prefer it over slotloading cause then the whole base is totally white and when you pop open the tray then its black but if it was slot loading there would constantly be a little slit that would take away from the iMacs look.</strong><hr></blockquote>
<strong>8mm discs and those funky business card CD's should be banned. Horrible things. Slot loader prevent snags and broken trays. Do we really want to move backwards?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's good to see someone has some sense here.
Slot loading is the way to go in laptops, because it's DURABLE. Who wants a tray that can break off, and that exposes internals to dust and soot every time you want to insert a disc?
And give it up with the idea of a removable CD drive. If you want to add something onto a laptop, there is always Firewire for bus-powered peripherals. The problem with peripherals that slide into a laptop is that when the laptop is replaced, those peripherals are obsolete. Also, a Firewire peripheral can be used on desktops and such, so you only need one peripheral to share between a laptop and desktop computer. Much more sensible.
Generally, I'm more of a proponent of firewire drives than of removable ones. As someone pointed out above, you often carry the others around anyway and they can't port over to your next system, however it would have an advantage for a dual battery set-up which I know many users to have taken advantage of on older Apple and PC laptops. And while I don't think business card CDR is anything to take seriously, 8cm discs may increase in number/availability. They make a decent format for DVD-video cams, digital still cams, and small footprint MP3 player/recorders, not to mention the eventual GameCube 'back-up' utility ( not that important obviously).
Mostly, it isn't a deal breaker. I'd still take a ti whether it had a slot or tray (if I someone were giving it to me). The slot loader really doesn't 'simplify' anything, it's just more motors and gears that can fail or stick. The tray may look more complicated but it is simpler, and when it is closed that simplicity should also make it more durable. Also the tray seals better to outside stuff -- little bits of dirt foil wrapper or paper in your bag/brief-case, though anyone with a brain ought to use a sleeve. I don't think people move their laptops around with the CD tray hanging open, if they do, well, they're stupid.
Also, sorry lefties, the drive should eject to the side (tray loader)so you don't have to push the laptop away from you to insert a disc. Heck, even if you're a lefty, putting a disc in a drive with your right hand shouldn't be hard at all. Such an arrangement takes a bit better advantage of the Ti's wide and squat form factor -- better for airplane and limo seats and tight quarters in general.
Dual battery is a serious consideration for a pro laptop. There are field uses where extra long battery life could be the difference between finishing a job and not finishing. You don't have to order it with dual batteries, and you never have to swap out the optical if you don't want to, but there are quite a few users out there who would opt to leave th optical at home and take two batteries with them on some occasions.
what with apple giving so much attention to video production software, it seems logical that the Ti needs to have a SuperDrive for it to be the ultimate mobile DV hardware. Can you see someone shooting DV on location, dumping it onto the Ti, editing on the flight, and having DVDs ready to hand out upon landing? It would revolutionize the pr0n industry overnight.
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Die Grüne Hölle
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Who is Grüne Hölle, and why do you want him to die?
<strong>the reason the imac doesn't have a slot load drive is cause they don't have a slot load superdrive. i have a feeling once they can make them, then they will switch back to slot load on the imac.
i don't know if slot loading is better but appearantly apple does, so i wouldn't count on anything</strong><hr></blockquote>
yea but the new iMac tray is a very nice one...and I actually kind of prefer it over slotloading cause then the whole base is totally white and when you pop open the tray then its black but if it was slot loading there would constantly be a little slit that would take away from the iMacs look.
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Who is Grüne Hölle, and why do you want him to die?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Let me answer: "Die Grüne Hölle" is a German phrase. Translation is "The Green Hell" and I am sure that nobody wants it to die although quite a few die or hardly died in it.
It is the nickname for the famous old part of the German racing circiut "Nürburgring" - if you are inro Fomula One Racing. Nicky Lauda had a severe accident there - didn't die but the flames took a part of his skin.
And I guess all these accidents and the demanding track reminded people of the hell. And the Green comes from its sourroundings - it is located in the Eifel sourrounded by lots of forrest am small mountians.
<strong>8mm discs and those funky business card CD's should be banned. Horrible things. Slot loader prevent snags and broken trays. Do we really want to move backwards?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Never seen such a business card CD myself. How are they shaped?
The reason I'm asking is because there once were those oddly-shaped CDs which even were slightly excentric. In case the same is true for those business card thingies, you couldn't (well, shouldn't) use them in modern CD-ROM drives anyway because of their very high rate of revolution.
Bye,
RazzFazz
EDIT: Of course the shape CDs were excentric rather than not so.
[ 04-11-2002: Message edited by: RazzFazz ]</p>
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Who is Grüne Hölle, and why do you want him to die?</strong><hr></blockquote>
No, no. See-- it's German. Kind of like the "Die Bart Die" episode of the Simpsons. And if it's German, in can't be bad.
If you're worried about wobble associated with high speed, I don't think business card CD's pose too much of a problem. Think of an 8CM disc, but smaller because they're chopped to 6.3 or 6.2cm at the top and the bottom (to a straight edge, but maintains the curve of the CD to the sides. While it isn't round, it shouldn't wobble, cause it's balanced in at least one axis. The diameter is really small so that even at high speed it wouldn't have too much of a centrifugal effect. Also, only a little bit of inside track is actually read, so even a high speed drive shouldn't be able to pick up much speed.
Then you've never seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail dubbed in German.
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Then you've never seen Monty Python and the Holy Grail dubbed in German.</strong><hr></blockquote>
"Knights of the Coconuts?" Yes, I have seen it. Several times. I don't know much German, so I just insert the lines in English in my head.
Actually, Derrick's comment was so funny, I think I hurt myself. I've been living here so long, I forgot what "Die" means in English.
So, to contribute to this dialog about CD drives, I definitely prefer the TiBook with a slot-loading drive, even if only in terms of aesthetics. I had a PB1400 with different dockable drives. In the end, I just used one everyday (and MO drive) and the other only rarely. I also felt compelled to lug these extra drives around, "just in case." I think replaceable drives are cool, but less functional in real world terms.
As for the business card CD, every time I've gotten one, I've thrown it away. Sorry.
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yea but the new iMac tray is a very nice one...and I actually kind of prefer it over slotloading cause then the whole base is totally white and when you pop open the tray then its black but if it was slot loading there would constantly be a little slit that would take away from the iMacs look.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Another reason why slor loading wouldn't be good.
<strong>8mm discs and those funky business card CD's should be banned. Horrible things. Slot loader prevent snags and broken trays. Do we really want to move backwards?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's good to see someone has some sense here.
Slot loading is the way to go in laptops, because it's DURABLE. Who wants a tray that can break off, and that exposes internals to dust and soot every time you want to insert a disc?
And give it up with the idea of a removable CD drive. If you want to add something onto a laptop, there is always Firewire for bus-powered peripherals. The problem with peripherals that slide into a laptop is that when the laptop is replaced, those peripherals are obsolete. Also, a Firewire peripheral can be used on desktops and such, so you only need one peripheral to share between a laptop and desktop computer. Much more sensible.
Mostly, it isn't a deal breaker. I'd still take a ti whether it had a slot or tray (if I someone were giving it to me). The slot loader really doesn't 'simplify' anything, it's just more motors and gears that can fail or stick. The tray may look more complicated but it is simpler, and when it is closed that simplicity should also make it more durable. Also the tray seals better to outside stuff -- little bits of dirt foil wrapper
Also, sorry lefties, the drive should eject to the side (tray loader)so you don't have to push the laptop away from you to insert a disc. Heck, even if you're a lefty, putting a disc in a drive with your right hand shouldn't be hard at all. Such an arrangement takes a bit better advantage of the Ti's wide and squat form factor -- better for airplane and limo seats and tight quarters in general.
Dual battery is a serious consideration for a pro laptop. There are field uses where extra long battery life could be the difference between finishing a job and not finishing. You don't have to order it with dual batteries, and you never have to swap out the optical if you don't want to, but there are quite a few users out there who would opt to leave th optical at home and take two batteries with them on some occasions.
<strong>And it will be a major coup against M$ when Apple takes over the Porn industry.
You mean the pRon industry?