Much improved over the current naming scheme. ARM can't run x86 apps so they had to differentiate that one. If I had any say Pro and standard would be rolled into one as well, but its definitely a step up. I wish they'd eliminated 32 bit binaries as well though.
wonder if Microsoft will still charge outrageously large prices for their Windows 8? especially now since they are no long releasing tons of arbitrarily stripped down OS versions to nickel and dime all the Microsoft drones with. Probably going to charge $299 while Apple charges only $29 for their latest full version
wonder if Microsoft will still charge outrageously large prices for their Windows 8? especially now since they are no long releasing tons of arbitrarily stripped down OS versions to nickel and dime all the Microsoft drones with. Probably going to charge $299 while Apple charges only $29 for their latest full version
Apple makes money off hardware. Microsoft makes money off software. It's mind boggling how much that comparison is made, it makes no sense. Its like saying Apple should go the Kindle Fire route and sell the iPad at-cost. But they don't have the same content sales business as Amazon, iTunes is a small sliver of their profits.
Very true. I was trying to get an email at a mountain retreat and all I had was a t-mobile hotspot. My MacBook Air running OSX email couldn't do it, but my iPhone had no trouble. What's up with that? They were running off the very same hot spot.
My wife uses Aperture and seems to like it a lot.
Apple needs to build a killer photo sharing app and launch a social network from it. It should be easy for Apple to do, I don't understand why they won't do it.
Why would they, ever heard of Instagram. All these social sites and programs are beginning to really hurt our society. Children are spending more time on their computers talking to their friends then actually talking with tbeir friends in person. My daughter want's a Facebook account and I told her she can have one only if I can monitor her activity. I want my kids outside not stuck in front of a computer or phone the entire day.
"Windows 8 is the official product name for the next x86/64 editions of Windows," LeBlanc wrote. "For many consumers, Windows 8 will be the right choice."
The Spider (Windows) says to the Fly (Customer)...
Tried Windows 8 Beta ... the start button can now be a start page... pull up the screen to log in...
1. Windows RT shows up on a limited number of ARM-based tablets at trade shows but they either never launch or have a limited launch like Chromebooks. Microsoft backtracks on ARM and says to wait until Intel tablets can match ARM tablets on price and battery life. They assure us that this will happen any day now.
2. Intel-based Windows 8 tablets fail to catch on. Microsoft starts talking about Windows 9 as the real future of tablet computing. ARM is never discussed again.
I'm just not buying that Microsoft is serious about ARM and this weird naming scheme isn't helping.
Don't confuse "intuitive" with "easy to use". If you were to give a brand new computer user the choice between Metro in Windows 8 and Windows 7, I really think most would pick Metro because it's FAR simpler. That and the fact that the average computer user doesn't tap into most of the functionality of Windows compared to a power user should indicate that it's not really designed for them to begin with. ...
I don't see any factual basis for this statement. I think you are just wildly assuming stuff here and hoping for a good outcome.
1. Windows RT shows up on a limited number of ARM-based tablets at trade shows but they either never launch or have a limited launch like Chromebooks. Microsoft backtracks on ARM and says to wait until Intel tablets can match ARM tablets on price and battery life. They assure us that this will happen any day now.
2. Intel-based Windows 8 tablets fail to catch on. Microsoft starts talking about Windows 9 as the real future of tablet computing. ARM is never discussed again.
I'm just not buying that Microsoft is serious about ARM and this weird naming scheme isn't helping.
They do seem to be giving less and less time and less and less emphasis to the ARM version, which in fact, is the only part of Windows 8 that can ever possibly be competitive with the iPad. Windows on tablets is a proven failure, Metro on laptops will be quickly removed by most consumers and replaced with a hacked start button. Metro on desktops will hardly exist at all.
This would seem like very bad strategy indeed.
If I were Microsoft I would have come out with a very solid and almost exactly the same Windows this time with a visual makeover. then I would have put out Metro for ARM (no windows) with all the fanfare I could muster and push it hard. The two OS's would connect in the Cloud but otherwise be completely different and completely non-compatible other than at the document level.
I don't see any factual basis for this statement. I think you are just wildly assuming stuff here and hoping for a good outcome.
This is what I was thinking to. I think it will be mass confusion for most people who have used Windows in the past. Were not talking about new users here. All of a sudden people are brought to this screen with a bunch of tiles that are meaningless to them instead of a desktop with a start menu.
Maybe his friend is technically inclined so he was able to adapt quickly, but I don't see businesses, schools, and even some consumers liking this OS. Of course there will be something that disables Metro. If Microsoft doesn't make it, someone else will. As a person who works in IT in a school I don't see this working very well.
If they want to make a touch version of their OS then make a separate version. Windows sucks on a mobile device...always has, always will. I don't know why they'd want to make Windows work on a mobile device. This is what killed them the first time.
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I always thought RT meant road and track...
I was thinking the same thing.
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
No! No! He needs to stay at the helm, even unto his last days of his Alzheimer's. May he live a long and healthy life and remain firmly in charge at MS.
I'm sure Apple management would even give his some Apple stock if he would promise to stay at the top of the dog pile at MS.
Why are we afraid of Microsoft? It seems as if we think they're going to retake everything is someone else comes in. Competition is always good. Apple needs it. If not, then they'll start to lay down on us and products will go stale.
wonder if Microsoft will still charge outrageously large prices for their Windows 8? especially now since they are no long releasing tons of arbitrarily stripped down OS versions to nickel and dime all the Microsoft drones with. Probably going to charge $299 while Apple charges only $29 for their latest full version
YES.. if you have a Mac, no need to pine for windows upgrades...
well if win7 is anything to go by... it "ill"(special limited time offer) be 49 to upgrade from 7 home to 8 home,
and 129 from 7 pro to 8 pro...
still burns me about the special limited time upgrade pricing, i had vista ultimate, and I could not upgrade to win7 pro because that woud be a down grade... ( but my brother gave me a 40 student version of win pro so all worked out)
of course i ended up doing a clean install, so i should have purchased the win7 pro upgrade... (found out later that i could have done that)
They do seem to be giving less and less time and less and less emphasis to the ARM version, which in fact, is the only part of Windows 8 that can ever possibly be competitive with the iPad. Windows on tablets is a proven failure, Metro on laptops will be quickly removed by most consumers and replaced with a hacked start button. Metro on desktops will hardly exist at all.
This would seem like very bad strategy indeed.
If I were Microsoft I would have come out with a very solid and almost exactly the same Windows this time with a visual makeover. then I would have put out Metro for ARM (no windows) with all the fanfare I could muster and push it hard. The two OS's would connect in the Cloud but otherwise be completely different and completely non-compatible other than at the document level.
What makes it worst is that MS use of Windows on ARM tablet OS. Windows 8 RT is in no way similar nor compatible with traditional Windows 8. Expect customers confusion and high return rate.
"why I can't run my old Windows software on my Windows tablet?"
"why I can't install software from this website? it says it is compatible with Windows!"
Without endorsing Apple Mail as a client, I'd like to point out that Mail does indeed send and receive attachments very normally. Just because an attachment arrives visible, and inline in the body of your message does not mean its embedded. Mail by default tends to display the contents of known, readable file types like PDF. But they are indeed attachments and one click allows you to download individual attachments or all of them at once.
As with most things related to unfamiliar software, it takes time to get used to the nuances. As someone who uses Apple Mail exclusively, I find the integration with my calendars and contact lists to be much tighter across all devices, and having used Entourage and Outlook before, I will likely never go back to them.
I was referring to the fact that MS Outlook put the attched files in their own little box so that you know where they are and they don't disrupt the flow of the email. This isn't a nuance. It is horribly inconvenient to have the attachment icon inside the email text because the icon is like 5 times the size of the text and you can't format the email properly. I've seen many emails where the spacing caused by the icon for the attached icon ends up being white space (i.e., 5 blank lines). For a company that has prided itself on clean interfaces, the Mail client is anything but clean.
They do seem to be giving less and less time and less and less emphasis to the ARM version, which in fact, is the only part of Windows 8 that can ever possibly be competitive with the iPad. Windows on tablets is a proven failure, Metro on laptops will be quickly removed by most consumers and replaced with a hacked start button. Metro on desktops will hardly exist at all.
This would seem like very bad strategy indeed.
If I were Microsoft I would have come out with a very solid and almost exactly the same Windows this time with a visual makeover. then I would have put out Metro for ARM (no windows) with all the fanfare I could muster and push it hard. The two OS's would connect in the Cloud but otherwise be completely different and completely non-compatible other than at the document level.
There won't be any confusion. Have you tried windows 8 beta? With the push of the button it toggles between tiles and traditional view. Tiles will be no more difficult to figure out than the launchpad on Mac OSX.
There won't be any confusion. Have you tried windows 8 beta? With the push of the button it toggles between tiles and traditional view. Tiles will be no more difficult to figure out than the launchpad on Mac OSX.
The difference is launchpad isn't forced upon you when the OS starts up. Also, there are tiles that aren't exactly apparent to what they do. At least launchpad has the names under the icons so people know what they are.
I also wonder how many Mac users actually use launchpad? I for one don't. I don't think its necessary. We have this thing called the Dock that does the same thing.
Have a Samsung Slate Series 7. Installed Win 8 to try it out. Don't understand all the whoopla about the Matrix Interface. It is just a badly designed shell on top of a badly executed Win 7. Have used the pen with Journal since 2003. With Win 8 Journal did not have palm rejection! What? Really? And my Toshiba M205 works great and looks great with 1400×1050 screen resolution. Only problem is its battery 2.5 hrs and the weight of nearly 4.5 Lb. Ahhh, if my iPad just had a Wacom digitizer!
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wonder if Microsoft will still charge outrageously large prices for their Windows 8? especially now since they are no long releasing tons of arbitrarily stripped down OS versions to nickel and dime all the Microsoft drones with. Probably going to charge $299 while Apple charges only $29 for their latest full version
Apple makes money off hardware. Microsoft makes money off software. It's mind boggling how much that comparison is made, it makes no sense. Its like saying Apple should go the Kindle Fire route and sell the iPad at-cost. But they don't have the same content sales business as Amazon, iTunes is a small sliver of their profits.
Very true. I was trying to get an email at a mountain retreat and all I had was a t-mobile hotspot. My MacBook Air running OSX email couldn't do it, but my iPhone had no trouble. What's up with that? They were running off the very same hot spot.
My wife uses Aperture and seems to like it a lot.
Apple needs to build a killer photo sharing app and launch a social network from it. It should be easy for Apple to do, I don't understand why they won't do it.
Why would they, ever heard of Instagram. All these social sites and programs are beginning to really hurt our society. Children are spending more time on their computers talking to their friends then actually talking with tbeir friends in person. My daughter want's a Facebook account and I told her she can have one only if I can monitor her activity. I want my kids outside not stuck in front of a computer or phone the entire day.
The Spider (Windows) says to the Fly (Customer)...
Tried Windows 8 Beta ... the start button can now be a start page... pull up the screen to log in...
all eye candy...
1. Windows RT shows up on a limited number of ARM-based tablets at trade shows but they either never launch or have a limited launch like Chromebooks. Microsoft backtracks on ARM and says to wait until Intel tablets can match ARM tablets on price and battery life. They assure us that this will happen any day now.
2. Intel-based Windows 8 tablets fail to catch on. Microsoft starts talking about Windows 9 as the real future of tablet computing. ARM is never discussed again.
I'm just not buying that Microsoft is serious about ARM and this weird naming scheme isn't helping.
i can ignore, and get use to the bubblegum gloss of the Win8.
also the task manager is pretty nice.
but this is on a PC... still need to ultimately get a Mac...
Don't confuse "intuitive" with "easy to use". If you were to give a brand new computer user the choice between Metro in Windows 8 and Windows 7, I really think most would pick Metro because it's FAR simpler. That and the fact that the average computer user doesn't tap into most of the functionality of Windows compared to a power user should indicate that it's not really designed for them to begin with. ...
I don't see any factual basis for this statement. I think you are just wildly assuming stuff here and hoping for a good outcome.
Here's what I guess will happen:
1. Windows RT shows up on a limited number of ARM-based tablets at trade shows but they either never launch or have a limited launch like Chromebooks. Microsoft backtracks on ARM and says to wait until Intel tablets can match ARM tablets on price and battery life. They assure us that this will happen any day now.
2. Intel-based Windows 8 tablets fail to catch on. Microsoft starts talking about Windows 9 as the real future of tablet computing. ARM is never discussed again.
I'm just not buying that Microsoft is serious about ARM and this weird naming scheme isn't helping.
They do seem to be giving less and less time and less and less emphasis to the ARM version, which in fact, is the only part of Windows 8 that can ever possibly be competitive with the iPad. Windows on tablets is a proven failure, Metro on laptops will be quickly removed by most consumers and replaced with a hacked start button. Metro on desktops will hardly exist at all.
This would seem like very bad strategy indeed.
If I were Microsoft I would have come out with a very solid and almost exactly the same Windows this time with a visual makeover. then I would have put out Metro for ARM (no windows) with all the fanfare I could muster and push it hard. The two OS's would connect in the Cloud but otherwise be completely different and completely non-compatible other than at the document level.
I don't see any factual basis for this statement. I think you are just wildly assuming stuff here and hoping for a good outcome.
This is what I was thinking to. I think it will be mass confusion for most people who have used Windows in the past. Were not talking about new users here. All of a sudden people are brought to this screen with a bunch of tiles that are meaningless to them instead of a desktop with a start menu.
Maybe his friend is technically inclined so he was able to adapt quickly, but I don't see businesses, schools, and even some consumers liking this OS. Of course there will be something that disables Metro. If Microsoft doesn't make it, someone else will. As a person who works in IT in a school I don't see this working very well.
If they want to make a touch version of their OS then make a separate version. Windows sucks on a mobile device...always has, always will. I don't know why they'd want to make Windows work on a mobile device. This is what killed them the first time.
I always thought RT meant road and track...
I was thinking the same thing.
No! No! He needs to stay at the helm, even unto his last days of his Alzheimer's. May he live a long and healthy life and remain firmly in charge at MS.
I'm sure Apple management would even give his some Apple stock if he would promise to stay at the top of the dog pile at MS.
Why are we afraid of Microsoft? It seems as if we think they're going to retake everything is someone else comes in. Competition is always good. Apple needs it. If not, then they'll start to lay down on us and products will go stale.
wonder if Microsoft will still charge outrageously large prices for their Windows 8? especially now since they are no long releasing tons of arbitrarily stripped down OS versions to nickel and dime all the Microsoft drones with. Probably going to charge $299 while Apple charges only $29 for their latest full version
YES.. if you have a Mac, no need to pine for windows upgrades...
well if win7 is anything to go by... it "ill"(special limited time offer) be 49 to upgrade from 7 home to 8 home,
and 129 from 7 pro to 8 pro...
still burns me about the special limited time upgrade pricing, i had vista ultimate, and I could not upgrade to win7 pro because that woud be a down grade... ( but my brother gave me a 40 student version of win pro so all worked out)
of course i ended up doing a clean install, so i should have purchased the win7 pro upgrade... (found out later that i could have done that)
Delete me mods since we can't delete our own posts...
just delete text... and say in the reason for editting "deleted post"
IMHO
They do seem to be giving less and less time and less and less emphasis to the ARM version, which in fact, is the only part of Windows 8 that can ever possibly be competitive with the iPad. Windows on tablets is a proven failure, Metro on laptops will be quickly removed by most consumers and replaced with a hacked start button. Metro on desktops will hardly exist at all.
This would seem like very bad strategy indeed.
If I were Microsoft I would have come out with a very solid and almost exactly the same Windows this time with a visual makeover. then I would have put out Metro for ARM (no windows) with all the fanfare I could muster and push it hard. The two OS's would connect in the Cloud but otherwise be completely different and completely non-compatible other than at the document level.
What makes it worst is that MS use of Windows on ARM tablet OS. Windows 8 RT is in no way similar nor compatible with traditional Windows 8. Expect customers confusion and high return rate.
"why I can't run my old Windows software on my Windows tablet?"
"why I can't install software from this website? it says it is compatible with Windows!"
If MS called everything Windows 8, and an ARM based tablet running Windows 8 fails, then Windows 8 itself fails and Microsoft doesn't want that...
Without endorsing Apple Mail as a client, I'd like to point out that Mail does indeed send and receive attachments very normally. Just because an attachment arrives visible, and inline in the body of your message does not mean its embedded. Mail by default tends to display the contents of known, readable file types like PDF. But they are indeed attachments and one click allows you to download individual attachments or all of them at once.
As with most things related to unfamiliar software, it takes time to get used to the nuances. As someone who uses Apple Mail exclusively, I find the integration with my calendars and contact lists to be much tighter across all devices, and having used Entourage and Outlook before, I will likely never go back to them.
I was referring to the fact that MS Outlook put the attched files in their own little box so that you know where they are and they don't disrupt the flow of the email. This isn't a nuance. It is horribly inconvenient to have the attachment icon inside the email text because the icon is like 5 times the size of the text and you can't format the email properly. I've seen many emails where the spacing caused by the icon for the attached icon ends up being white space (i.e., 5 blank lines). For a company that has prided itself on clean interfaces, the Mail client is anything but clean.
They do seem to be giving less and less time and less and less emphasis to the ARM version, which in fact, is the only part of Windows 8 that can ever possibly be competitive with the iPad. Windows on tablets is a proven failure, Metro on laptops will be quickly removed by most consumers and replaced with a hacked start button. Metro on desktops will hardly exist at all.
This would seem like very bad strategy indeed.
If I were Microsoft I would have come out with a very solid and almost exactly the same Windows this time with a visual makeover. then I would have put out Metro for ARM (no windows) with all the fanfare I could muster and push it hard. The two OS's would connect in the Cloud but otherwise be completely different and completely non-compatible other than at the document level.
There won't be any confusion. Have you tried windows 8 beta? With the push of the button it toggles between tiles and traditional view. Tiles will be no more difficult to figure out than the launchpad on Mac OSX.
There won't be any confusion. Have you tried windows 8 beta? With the push of the button it toggles between tiles and traditional view. Tiles will be no more difficult to figure out than the launchpad on Mac OSX.
The difference is launchpad isn't forced upon you when the OS starts up. Also, there are tiles that aren't exactly apparent to what they do. At least launchpad has the names under the icons so people know what they are.
I also wonder how many Mac users actually use launchpad? I for one don't. I don't think its necessary. We have this thing called the Dock that does the same thing.
The guy's a troll, don't bother.
Yeah, I thought TEKSTUD created yet another sock account.