Your original post did not suggest or imply you looked at the Reuters article. Your rebuttal doesn't show the article is wrong.
Huh? He specifically stated "What AI quotes from Reuters is true" in his original post. He is not suggesting that the Reuters article is wrong! He is suggesting that AI's interpretation of the article as "company cites iPhone as biggest cause" is a complete fabrication.
Cult of Mac is saying the same thing. Perhaps words aren't being put anywhere. Perhaps the same conclusion is simply being drawn.
I take no issue with people drawing conclusions from the facts. I would probably reach the same conclusion myself and attribute the cause to the iPhone 4S release. However, implying that HTC stated this as the biggest cause is a complete fabrication and disingenuous.
The HTC One X has iPhone beat in every department and even though it has only been on sale for a week or two I already see five or six people using them at work.
Where do you work at? HTC? What happens when HTC puts out the HTC One XX next quarter and the HTC One XXX in the following quarter? One better have a lot more money than sense if they have a spec fetish.
Huh? He specifically stated "What AI quotes from Reuters is true" in his original post. He is not suggesting that the Reuters article is wrong! He is suggesting that AI's interpretation of the article as "company cites iPhone as biggest cause" is a complete fabrication.
So Facebook is going to pull an Amazon and "fork" Android too. well it might be a modest success - if they give them away for "free" (with contract of course).
it would be a lot smarter for Facebook to buy RIM cheap.
but overall, Facebook might be the biggest dot.com bubble company of all time. a billion members, sure, but no real business plan with revenues to match the hype. the IPO might be the peak of the current dot.com2 bubble. and then ...
The problem with the competition is that they are run like governments. They are structured to cater to everyone and end up pleasing no one. They also have a tendency of creating stovepipe departments, divisions, etc., or silos that serve no purpose other than to preserve the status quo.
As long as this is true, they will always have 30 plus models just to please the shareholders. Market share, yes. Profits, no.
Before Apple posted yet another blowout quarter, rival HTC revealed its profits dropped 70 percent thanks largely to the launch of Apple's iPhone 4S.
Apple's latest smartphone was specifically cited by HTC Chief Executive Peter Chou in an analyst briefing this week, according to Reuters. He revealed that HTC, which used to earn more than 50 percent of its revenue from the U.S., will not regain that stature in America.
"A major challenge we faced last year was the big drop in sales in the U.S. because of competition from the iPhone 4S," Chou said.
Blaming the drop in sales solely on competition from the iPhone is neglecting the other elephant in the room -- Samsung. Surely HTC's main competitor is another vendor using the same OS. Things may turn around for them, though. The "One" series is stunning in many aspects, and I'm not certain that Samsung's next Galaxy phone will be better.
Blaming the drop in sales solely on competition from the iPhone is neglecting the other elephant in the room -- Samsung. Surely HTC's main competitor is another vendor using the same OS. Things may turn around for them, though. The "One" series is stunning in many aspects, and I'm not certain that Samsung's next Galaxy phone will be better.
You're right on that, cnocbui pointed out in post #6 that HTC's investor documents also mentions Samsung as a strong competing pressure.
don't quite understand the title.. Apple's iPhone has been around for 4-5 years now and HTC did rather well until last year in spite of competition from Apple. Now, is HTC saying that Android users are defecting to iPhones 4S?
I defected from my refused to boot HTC Tilt 2 to an iPhone 3GS for my wife. I had the phone for only a year and a month. Probably another money center for mobile carriers - replacing phone which die within the two year contract period. Our iPhones haven't.
I only owned the HTC phone for an internal Windows Mobile 6.x application. When Windows Phone 7 came out, they wised up and migrated to web-based applications, plus iOS and Android apps.
Suggestion to Apple Business: Write many stories about our company. We probably have the largest installed base of a private server hosted app. The company actually suggests using a tablet, especially iPads, which the company gives out as performance achievement awards.
This is in the second and third paragraphs of the Reuters article. You went even further out of your way try discrediting the article, but the article in question properly referenced a source.
Thanks. Dissembling, shading information, misquoting, misleading, and even outright lying are pretty much the only stock-in-trade of most of the anti-Apple types (which also happens to be primarily the pro-Android types) on this Forum.
That doesn't pass the self-interest test. If it really was anticipation, I am certain HTC would MUCH rather say product update anticipation than name a competitor to explain why their profits are down.
Besides, I don't believe that many people anticipate HTC devices. I have nothing against them, and I'm sure their products are good, I just haven't seen a big following for the brand.
I know quite a few people with HTC Android phones... but I don't think any of them are clamoring for the next great HTC phone.
These are regular people who don't follow tech blogs or chase the latest specs. They are in the middle of... or almost at the end of... their first Android contract.
Who knows what phone they will choose next. If they do decide to stick with Android... they don't have to get another HTC phone. That seems to be a problem that all Android OEMs must face.
HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola... they all make "Android" phones. There's nothing really keeping you with a particular brand. It's the same sorta thing that happens with Windows OEMs. You can buy a Dell one time... and an HP the next. The consumer doesn't really care.
Android didn't really take off in the mass consumer market until the last 2 years or so... and many people are still on their first Android phone. So again... who knows what they will choose next. Time will tell.
I also know many people who completed a contract with an Android phone... and now they're using an iPhone. That's certainly a popular option these days.
Thanks. Dissembling, shading information, misquoting, misleading, and even outright lying are pretty much the only stock-in-trade of most of the anti-Apple types (which also happens to be primarily the pro-Android types) on this Forum.
If your going to make sweeping generalization, you should do yourself a favor and at least make them in a context that actually match your stereotype.
The irony of your comment is that post #10 that you agree with and quoted, made by a Moderator (assumed to be pro-Apple), is the one that contains the "misquoting, misleading, and even outright lying". The moderator's post that you quoted was directed to cnocbui's original post, ridiculing him for "going out of his way to discredit the Reuters article". To the contrary, cnocbui stated in his original post "what AI has quotes from Reuters is true", and it was indeed JeffDM who was "misquoting, misleading, and even outright lying". When I called him out on it in post #22, his reply in post #25 was "Ah, I see. I guess I missed that line."
Even the article that you choose to make your generalization is completely contrary to your stereotype. The headline of this article states that HTC "cites Apple's iPhone 4S as biggest cause" for its 1Q loss, but the fact remains that HTC has NEVER stated this, nor has it been mentioned in the referenced Reuter's article, and nor has anyone been able to cite any reference to this statement in subsequent comments.
That doesn't pass the self-interest test. If it really was anticipation, I am certain HTC would MUCH rather say product update anticipation than name a competitor to explain why their profits are down.
Besides, I don't believe that many people anticipate HTC devices. I have nothing against them, and I'm sure their products are good, I just haven't seen a big following for the brand.
HTC caters to a different crowd than Galaxy and Apple. Tech heads and developers love them. And those who do presentations. Their video playback software is amazing I give them that much. Half of Asian Android developers actually use HTC for test mules rather than Nexus. Same goes for tinkerers and hobbyists who would otherwise dabble their programming for PC and Mac.
There are less of them than Jane The Plumber who go for Galaxy and, of course, iPhone.
So if iPhone is BMW, Samsung Galaxy is Infiniti, HTC is Lotus; specialized and high performance, but you must know what you are doing.
I defected from my refused to boot HTC Tilt 2 to an iPhone 3GS for my wife. I had the phone for only a year and a month. Probably another money center for mobile carriers - replacing phone which die within the two year contract period. Our iPhones haven't.
I only owned the HTC phone for an internal Windows Mobile 6.x application. When Windows Phone 7 came out, they wised up and migrated to web-based applications, plus iOS and Android apps.
Suggestion to Apple Business: Write many stories about our company. We probably have the largest installed base of a private server hosted app. The company actually suggests using a tablet, especially iPads, which the company gives out as performance achievement awards.
Man, you are complaining about Donut-era handset. Try Ice Cream Sandwich.
Oh wait. Sorry about the first bit, I am serious here. What did American carriers put in those HTC One handset? Are they all ICS and does HTC run its own updates and app store. If it is 'no' for both question, you and I are talking about different phones altogether.
Man, you are complaining about Donut-era handset. Try Ice Cream Sandwich.
Oh wait. Sorry about the first bit, I am serious here. What did American carriers put in those HTC One handset? Are they all ICS and does HTC run its own updates and app store. If it is 'no' for both question, you and I are talking about different phones altogether.
You dolt! I'll make the point you missed in my post -> I only bought the HTC Tilt 2 (which I had to get from Business Services) to run the company app under Windows Mobile 6.x. I do everything else on my iPhone 3GS. For as little as I was using it, it still died. (My wife just kept it in her purse off for a week before it died.)
HTC's issue is that they still don't have the balls to stick up to the US telecoms, tell them where to go, and actually go through with a 1-3 model strategy. Doing a whole bunch of customized models for each telecom is a complete waste of time.
As far as the phones themselves, they ARE the best HIGH-END phones on the market. They're not for everyone, but they are very good phones. HTC has always combined good specs, good software (HTC Sense adds alot of functionality that stock Android lacks), and great parts and build quality. HTC gives you the flexibility of Android, with an easier, more seamless experience, as well as an original style and user interface. Their Windows phones are the best too (sorry Nokia), it's too bad WP7 is such a restrictive OS with terrible driver support (no dual-core, most chipsets don't work, etc...).
I almost wish HTC would just resurrect Meego, WebOS or something (of course adding their own customizations) and go their own path, instead of having to rely on Google and cater to the shitty US telecoms...
So HTC is doing quite nicely in East Asia because they do just that? Here they go as far has having HTC Stores, its own App Store and signed up with electronic chains, even do wholesales for any vendors and mobile phone stalls. Just bring cash and they sell your units. All Android vendors in East Asia and SEA do this and carrier sales here are an afterthought. The concept of buying your handset with your new number was dead until Apple tried to re-introduced the concept in 2010 when iPhone 3G arrived.
Could Apple really win with its own business model in the Wild West market of South East Asia where gray marketers, scalpers and cash-and-carry vendors rule the land and none of local carriers can compete? Half of iPhone units sold from Bangkok to Singapore are gray imported from Hong Kong...
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Originally Posted by JeffDM
Your original post did not suggest or imply you looked at the Reuters article. Your rebuttal doesn't show the article is wrong.
Huh? He specifically stated "What AI quotes from Reuters is true" in his original post. He is not suggesting that the Reuters article is wrong! He is suggesting that AI's interpretation of the article as "company cites iPhone as biggest cause" is a complete fabrication.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Cult of Mac is saying the same thing. Perhaps words aren't being put anywhere. Perhaps the same conclusion is simply being drawn.
I take no issue with people drawing conclusions from the facts. I would probably reach the same conclusion myself and attribute the cause to the iPhone 4S release. However, implying that HTC stated this as the biggest cause is a complete fabrication and disingenuous.
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The HTC One X has iPhone beat in every department and even though it has only been on sale for a week or two I already see five or six people using them at work.
Where do you work at? HTC? What happens when HTC puts out the HTC One XX next quarter and the HTC One XXX in the following quarter? One better have a lot more money than sense if they have a spec fetish.
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Originally Posted by e_veritas
Huh? He specifically stated "What AI quotes from Reuters is true" in his original post. He is not suggesting that the Reuters article is wrong! He is suggesting that AI's interpretation of the article as "company cites iPhone as biggest cause" is a complete fabrication.
Ah, I see. I guess I missed that line.
No it has nothing to do with Apple. It has everything to do with incompetent morons who cant be original.
So Facebook is going to pull an Amazon and "fork" Android too. well it might be a modest success - if they give them away for "free" (with contract of course).
it would be a lot smarter for Facebook to buy RIM cheap.
but overall, Facebook might be the biggest dot.com bubble company of all time. a billion members, sure, but no real business plan with revenues to match the hype. the IPO might be the peak of the current dot.com2 bubble. and then ...
As long as this is true, they will always have 30 plus models just to please the shareholders. Market share, yes. Profits, no.
It is not 4S that caused their profits drop!
It is pretty much due to a consolidation of Android user base under a single brand (Samsung).
I guess they don't have guts to admit that they are failing to compete in their own house.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
... The new Facebook phone will be launched in the third quarter of 2012 "at the earliest," sources reportedly told the publication. ...
Facebook? Phone?
Not sure a one-trick pony has any chance of success in the smartphone market.
Good luck with that, Zuck. Maybe the Facebook Phone will be featured in "The Social Network 2."
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
Before Apple posted yet another blowout quarter, rival HTC revealed its profits dropped 70 percent thanks largely to the launch of Apple's iPhone 4S.
Apple's latest smartphone was specifically cited by HTC Chief Executive Peter Chou in an analyst briefing this week, according to Reuters. He revealed that HTC, which used to earn more than 50 percent of its revenue from the U.S., will not regain that stature in America.
"A major challenge we faced last year was the big drop in sales in the U.S. because of competition from the iPhone 4S," Chou said.
Blaming the drop in sales solely on competition from the iPhone is neglecting the other elephant in the room -- Samsung. Surely HTC's main competitor is another vendor using the same OS. Things may turn around for them, though. The "One" series is stunning in many aspects, and I'm not certain that Samsung's next Galaxy phone will be better.
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio
Blaming the drop in sales solely on competition from the iPhone is neglecting the other elephant in the room -- Samsung. Surely HTC's main competitor is another vendor using the same OS. Things may turn around for them, though. The "One" series is stunning in many aspects, and I'm not certain that Samsung's next Galaxy phone will be better.
You're right on that, cnocbui pointed out in post #6 that HTC's investor documents also mentions Samsung as a strong competing pressure.
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Originally Posted by tooltalk
don't quite understand the title.. Apple's iPhone has been around for 4-5 years now and HTC did rather well until last year in spite of competition from Apple. Now, is HTC saying that Android users are defecting to iPhones 4S?
I defected from my refused to boot HTC Tilt 2 to an iPhone 3GS for my wife. I had the phone for only a year and a month. Probably another money center for mobile carriers - replacing phone which die within the two year contract period. Our iPhones haven't.
I only owned the HTC phone for an internal Windows Mobile 6.x application. When Windows Phone 7 came out, they wised up and migrated to web-based applications, plus iOS and Android apps.
Suggestion to Apple Business: Write many stories about our company. We probably have the largest installed base of a private server hosted app. The company actually suggests using a tablet, especially iPads, which the company gives out as performance achievement awards.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM
Yes, really. That's not what the article was referencing. Did you even follow the link in the article to see the reference in the Reuters article?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/24/htc-idUSL3E8FH0MU20120424
This is in the second and third paragraphs of the Reuters article. You went even further out of your way try discrediting the article, but the article in question properly referenced a source.
Thanks. Dissembling, shading information, misquoting, misleading, and even outright lying are pretty much the only stock-in-trade of most of the anti-Apple types (which also happens to be primarily the pro-Android types) on this Forum.
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Originally Posted by JeffDM
That doesn't pass the self-interest test. If it really was anticipation, I am certain HTC would MUCH rather say product update anticipation than name a competitor to explain why their profits are down.
Besides, I don't believe that many people anticipate HTC devices. I have nothing against them, and I'm sure their products are good, I just haven't seen a big following for the brand.
I know quite a few people with HTC Android phones... but I don't think any of them are clamoring for the next great HTC phone.
These are regular people who don't follow tech blogs or chase the latest specs. They are in the middle of... or almost at the end of... their first Android contract.
Who knows what phone they will choose next. If they do decide to stick with Android... they don't have to get another HTC phone. That seems to be a problem that all Android OEMs must face.
HTC, Samsung, LG, Motorola... they all make "Android" phones. There's nothing really keeping you with a particular brand. It's the same sorta thing that happens with Windows OEMs. You can buy a Dell one time... and an HP the next. The consumer doesn't really care.
Android didn't really take off in the mass consumer market until the last 2 years or so... and many people are still on their first Android phone. So again... who knows what they will choose next. Time will tell.
I also know many people who completed a contract with an Android phone... and now they're using an iPhone. That's certainly a popular option these days.
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram
Thanks. Dissembling, shading information, misquoting, misleading, and even outright lying are pretty much the only stock-in-trade of most of the anti-Apple types (which also happens to be primarily the pro-Android types) on this Forum.
If your going to make sweeping generalization, you should do yourself a favor and at least make them in a context that actually match your stereotype.
The irony of your comment is that post #10 that you agree with and quoted, made by a Moderator (assumed to be pro-Apple), is the one that contains the "misquoting, misleading, and even outright lying". The moderator's post that you quoted was directed to cnocbui's original post, ridiculing him for "going out of his way to discredit the Reuters article". To the contrary, cnocbui stated in his original post "what AI has quotes from Reuters is true", and it was indeed JeffDM who was "misquoting, misleading, and even outright lying". When I called him out on it in post #22, his reply in post #25 was "Ah, I see. I guess I missed that line."
Even the article that you choose to make your generalization is completely contrary to your stereotype. The headline of this article states that HTC "cites Apple's iPhone 4S as biggest cause" for its 1Q loss, but the fact remains that HTC has NEVER stated this, nor has it been mentioned in the referenced Reuter's article, and nor has anyone been able to cite any reference to this statement in subsequent comments.
How does that crow taste?
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Originally Posted by JeffDM
That doesn't pass the self-interest test. If it really was anticipation, I am certain HTC would MUCH rather say product update anticipation than name a competitor to explain why their profits are down.
Besides, I don't believe that many people anticipate HTC devices. I have nothing against them, and I'm sure their products are good, I just haven't seen a big following for the brand.
HTC caters to a different crowd than Galaxy and Apple. Tech heads and developers love them. And those who do presentations. Their video playback software is amazing I give them that much. Half of Asian Android developers actually use HTC for test mules rather than Nexus. Same goes for tinkerers and hobbyists who would otherwise dabble their programming for PC and Mac.
There are less of them than Jane The Plumber who go for Galaxy and, of course, iPhone.
So if iPhone is BMW, Samsung Galaxy is Infiniti, HTC is Lotus; specialized and high performance, but you must know what you are doing.
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Originally Posted by lukevaxhacker
I defected from my refused to boot HTC Tilt 2 to an iPhone 3GS for my wife. I had the phone for only a year and a month. Probably another money center for mobile carriers - replacing phone which die within the two year contract period. Our iPhones haven't.
I only owned the HTC phone for an internal Windows Mobile 6.x application. When Windows Phone 7 came out, they wised up and migrated to web-based applications, plus iOS and Android apps.
Suggestion to Apple Business: Write many stories about our company. We probably have the largest installed base of a private server hosted app. The company actually suggests using a tablet, especially iPads, which the company gives out as performance achievement awards.
Man, you are complaining about Donut-era handset. Try Ice Cream Sandwich.
Oh wait. Sorry about the first bit, I am serious here. What did American carriers put in those HTC One handset? Are they all ICS and does HTC run its own updates and app store. If it is 'no' for both question, you and I are talking about different phones altogether.
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Originally Posted by Fairthrope
Man, you are complaining about Donut-era handset. Try Ice Cream Sandwich.
Oh wait. Sorry about the first bit, I am serious here. What did American carriers put in those HTC One handset? Are they all ICS and does HTC run its own updates and app store. If it is 'no' for both question, you and I are talking about different phones altogether.
You dolt! I'll make the point you missed in my post -> I only bought the HTC Tilt 2 (which I had to get from Business Services) to run the company app under Windows Mobile 6.x. I do everything else on my iPhone 3GS. For as little as I was using it, it still died. (My wife just kept it in her purse off for a week before it died.)
HTC's issue is that they still don't have the balls to stick up to the US telecoms, tell them where to go, and actually go through with a 1-3 model strategy. Doing a whole bunch of customized models for each telecom is a complete waste of time.
As far as the phones themselves, they ARE the best HIGH-END phones on the market. They're not for everyone, but they are very good phones. HTC has always combined good specs, good software (HTC Sense adds alot of functionality that stock Android lacks), and great parts and build quality. HTC gives you the flexibility of Android, with an easier, more seamless experience, as well as an original style and user interface. Their Windows phones are the best too (sorry Nokia), it's too bad WP7 is such a restrictive OS with terrible driver support (no dual-core, most chipsets don't work, etc...).
I almost wish HTC would just resurrect Meego, WebOS or something (of course adding their own customizations) and go their own path, instead of having to rely on Google and cater to the shitty US telecoms...
So HTC is doing quite nicely in East Asia because they do just that? Here they go as far has having HTC Stores, its own App Store and signed up with electronic chains, even do wholesales for any vendors and mobile phone stalls. Just bring cash and they sell your units. All Android vendors in East Asia and SEA do this and carrier sales here are an afterthought. The concept of buying your handset with your new number was dead until Apple tried to re-introduced the concept in 2010 when iPhone 3G arrived.
Could Apple really win with its own business model in the Wild West market of South East Asia where gray marketers, scalpers and cash-and-carry vendors rule the land and none of local carriers can compete? Half of iPhone units sold from Bangkok to Singapore are gray imported from Hong Kong...