The WWDC 2012 needs to become The Apple WWDC Tour 2012. Clearly.
Might be a good idea. Apple already has a kind of mini-WWDC tour called "Tech Talks." They're only 1-day events, and they only cover iOS, but they're free. Last year they held 9 of the events around the world, 3 in the U.S. You need to be a registered iOS developer, and you need to have at least one app on the App Store before you can attend.
Then again, maybe Apple could either find a larger venue for WWDC or maybe double its length and do the whole thing twice. It all depends on whether or not Apple thinks it is beneficial to them and their developer community. After all, Apple posts the WWDC session videos online after WWDC is over. And all of the iOS / OS X / Safari details are posted on their developer reference pages ASAP as well.
No, that wouldn't do at all. The whole point of being there is not to attend announcements, but to spend time with the 1,000 Apple engineers that are present to discuss development one-on-one. Too many people in attendance reduces your access to these engineers.
It would make more sense for Apple to hold a pair of events to keep the ratio of attendees to engineers good while allowing access to more people.
I'd rather the engineers were allowed to actual work. A week away is enough.
<p> It was less than 30 minutes from the time they sent the email to the time they were sold out.<br /> <br /> Email: 7.01am PST<br /> Sold out: 7:27am PST<br /> <br /> Got mine, though :)</p>
I wonder if Apple had any idea it would sell out so fast, and if they did, wouldn't they have given the west coast more of a chance by opening up the window during waking hours for them too?
I wonder if Apple had any idea it would sell out so fast, and if they did, would they have given the west coast more of a chance by opening up the window during waking hours for them too.
This has happened four years in a row at least. Steve mentions how quickly it sells out at the start of the main keynote. They know, and they don't seem to care.
<div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>Flaneur</strong> <a href="/t/149611/tickets-to-apples-wwdc-2012-sell-out-in-two-hours#post_2100853"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> I wonder if Apple had any idea it would sell out so fast, and if they did, would they have given the west coast more of a chance by opening up the window during waking hours for them too.</div></div><p> </p><p> This has happened four years in a row at least. Steve mentions how quickly it sells out at the start of the main keynote. They know, and they don't seem to care.</p>
So how do you stop the devs from the first event from coming to the second one?</p>
You don't, but I'd assume double the cost is a deterant for many
Imagine if it was 2 one week events in a 3 week span. One held in Boston the other in SF. This would help many in the US and around the world adjust their availability and their travel costs.
Now there still would be those that would want to attend both. Why? There are enough workshops that one wouldn't need to repeat a course but a second lesson could also be helpful to some.
But that's a moot point because App,e could easily prevent repeat attendees if they wanted to.
As for the stadium idea, you need rooms for each workshop. Apple could use a place with larger rooms that allow more attendees per workshop but even that has its issues. Personally I'd like to see them move from Moscone West to one of the Much larger, subterranean buildings.
It would make more sense for Apple to hold a pair of events to keep the ratio of attendees to engineers good while allowing access to more people.</p> </div></div><p> </p><p> <br /> I'd rather the engineers were allowed to actual work. A week away is enough.</p>
There is a case to be made that this takes away from their jobs, but you can make that case for WWDC itself. This is 1 week a year 1000+ engineers are not working on their projects, which doesn't include the number of weeks they spend preparing these workshops.
From experience the presentation is a fraction of the preparation time so doing a 2nd presentation could be a more effective use of time and money if strengthing the 3rd-party dev market has a high enough value for the platform.
There is a case to be made that this takes away from their jobs, but you can make that case for WWDC itself. This is 1 week a year 1000+ engineers are not working on their projects, which doesn't include the number of weeks they spend preparing these workshops.
From experience the presentation is a fraction of the preparation time so doing a 2nd presentation could be a more effective use of time and money if strengthing the 3rd-party dev market has a high enough value for the platform.
If they did a second session, they would get good use from their prepared materials and rehearsals. Also, since the event is held in their hometown, it is not as stressful as traveling to a convention in another city. I just came from a convention where there were 10,000 attendees from around the world. Apple could easily host that many people at a larger facility or hold another session.
This was meant to answer an earlier question and It didn't include the post so I re-posted below and didn't know who to remove this one?/? I got this screen shot from Apple's website....
There is a case to be made that this takes away from their jobs, but you can make that case for WWDC itself. This is 1 week a year 1000+ engineers are not working on their projects, which doesn't include the number of weeks they spend preparing these workshops.
From experience the presentation is a fraction of the preparation time so doing a 2nd presentation could be a more effective use of time and money if strengthing the 3rd-party dev market has a high enough value for the platform.
Not all 1000+ Apple staff members (sorry, but not all of them qualify as engineers) spend the whole week at WWDC. But your point is an interesting one.
There is a case to be made that this takes away from their jobs, but you can make that case for WWDC itself. This is 1 week a year 1000+ engineers are not working on their projects, which doesn't include the number of weeks they spend preparing these workshops.
From experience the presentation is a fraction of the preparation time so doing a 2nd presentation could be a more effective use of time and money if strengthing the 3rd-party dev market has a high enough value for the platform.
I think doing a 2nd consecutive (clone) week is the better option. A lot of time is spent preparing the materials and the logistics, so it becomes an incremental cost. As the engineers aren't in the labs the entire time and are typically not far away, the impact wouldn't be that great.
Having a second consecutive week would also enable some interesting weekend uses of the facility for collaboration, meeting, hack-a-thons, dev user groups, etc.
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Originally Posted by paxman
The WWDC 2012 needs to become The Apple WWDC Tour 2012. Clearly.
Might be a good idea. Apple already has a kind of mini-WWDC tour called "Tech Talks." They're only 1-day events, and they only cover iOS, but they're free. Last year they held 9 of the events around the world, 3 in the U.S. You need to be a registered iOS developer, and you need to have at least one app on the App Store before you can attend.
Then again, maybe Apple could either find a larger venue for WWDC or maybe double its length and do the whole thing twice. It all depends on whether or not Apple thinks it is beneficial to them and their developer community. After all, Apple posts the WWDC session videos online after WWDC is over. And all of the iOS / OS X / Safari details are posted on their developer reference pages ASAP as well.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Hey. Apple.
This has happened, what, four years in a row?
RENT A STADIUM.
The problem isn't the space.. its the fact that the quality of the event depends on the attendees/Apple Engineers ratio.
Unless you want just another hackathon, this is max size.
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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee
No, that wouldn't do at all. The whole point of being there is not to attend announcements, but to spend time with the 1,000 Apple engineers that are present to discuss development one-on-one. Too many people in attendance reduces your access to these engineers.
It would make more sense for Apple to hold a pair of events to keep the ratio of attendees to engineers good while allowing access to more people.
I'd rather the engineers were allowed to actual work. A week away is enough.
I wonder if Apple had any idea it would sell out so fast, and if they did, wouldn't they have given the west coast more of a chance by opening up the window during waking hours for them too?
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
I wonder if Apple had any idea it would sell out so fast, and if they did, would they have given the west coast more of a chance by opening up the window during waking hours for them too.
This has happened four years in a row at least. Steve mentions how quickly it sells out at the start of the main keynote. They know, and they don't seem to care.
Yeah, but last year did it not take twelve hours?
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Originally Posted by Flaneur
Yeah, but last year did it not take twelve hours?
I thought four.
Well, next year it'll sell out in 30 minutes, 2014 in 5, and WWDC 2015 will sell out three days before tickets go on sale.
I have ordered mine, but haven't received the tickets in my mail box. Shipping: Within 24 hours via email.
Have others already got their tickets in the email?
You don't, but I'd assume double the cost is a deterant for many
Imagine if it was 2 one week events in a 3 week span. One held in Boston the other in SF. This would help many in the US and around the world adjust their availability and their travel costs.
Now there still would be those that would want to attend both. Why? There are enough workshops that one wouldn't need to repeat a course but a second lesson could also be helpful to some.
But that's a moot point because App,e could easily prevent repeat attendees if they wanted to.
As for the stadium idea, you need rooms for each workshop. Apple could use a place with larger rooms that allow more attendees per workshop but even that has its issues. Personally I'd like to see them move from Moscone West to one of the Much larger, subterranean buildings.
There is a case to be made that this takes away from their jobs, but you can make that case for WWDC itself. This is 1 week a year 1000+ engineers are not working on their projects, which doesn't include the number of weeks they spend preparing these workshops.
From experience the presentation is a fraction of the preparation time so doing a 2nd presentation could be a more effective use of time and money if strengthing the 3rd-party dev market has a high enough value for the platform.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
There is a case to be made that this takes away from their jobs, but you can make that case for WWDC itself. This is 1 week a year 1000+ engineers are not working on their projects, which doesn't include the number of weeks they spend preparing these workshops.
From experience the presentation is a fraction of the preparation time so doing a 2nd presentation could be a more effective use of time and money if strengthing the 3rd-party dev market has a high enough value for the platform.
If they did a second session, they would get good use from their prepared materials and rehearsals. Also, since the event is held in their hometown, it is not as stressful as traveling to a convention in another city. I just came from a convention where there were 10,000 attendees from around the world. Apple could easily host that many people at a larger facility or hold another session.
This was meant to answer an earlier question and It didn't include the post so I re-posted below and didn't know who to remove this one?/? I got this screen shot from Apple's website....
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Originally Posted by malax
How much were the tickets?
I got this screen shot from Apple's website....
It's just a toy.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Hey. Apple.
This has happened, what, four years in a row?
RENT A STADIUM.
They would no more do this than they would do anything to discourage lineups at iPhone launches.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
There is a case to be made that this takes away from their jobs, but you can make that case for WWDC itself. This is 1 week a year 1000+ engineers are not working on their projects, which doesn't include the number of weeks they spend preparing these workshops.
From experience the presentation is a fraction of the preparation time so doing a 2nd presentation could be a more effective use of time and money if strengthing the 3rd-party dev market has a high enough value for the platform.
Not all 1000+ Apple staff members (sorry, but not all of them qualify as engineers) spend the whole week at WWDC. But your point is an interesting one.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
There is a case to be made that this takes away from their jobs, but you can make that case for WWDC itself. This is 1 week a year 1000+ engineers are not working on their projects, which doesn't include the number of weeks they spend preparing these workshops.
From experience the presentation is a fraction of the preparation time so doing a 2nd presentation could be a more effective use of time and money if strengthing the 3rd-party dev market has a high enough value for the platform.
I think doing a 2nd consecutive (clone) week is the better option. A lot of time is spent preparing the materials and the logistics, so it becomes an incremental cost. As the engineers aren't in the labs the entire time and are typically not far away, the impact wouldn't be that great.
Having a second consecutive week would also enable some interesting weekend uses of the facility for collaboration, meeting, hack-a-thons, dev user groups, etc.