Who gives a rat's ass. #1 #2 ... it's not like Apple is hurting and is going to go out of business tomorrow.
Besides, starting in the middle of October there will no longer be any question anyway... just in case anyone thinks it actually matters.
Well with Samsung releasing the Galaxy SGIII next month and the new Note in November as well as their soon TBA weird oval, egg phone that they just teased us with it will also be a very good year for Samsung. We will just have to wait and see, here is hoping Apple will release a larger screen display and a updated UI as that is the only way I would buy one.
Read the post above yours: your numbers are wrong. The 32GB iPhone is sold for $749 without commitment, and for $299 with; The Note goes for $649 w/o commitment and $299 with. So there's a $100 difference in the subsidy.
Ergo, you're wrong.
I should have checked your facts before trying to argue logic.
Wow 650, the Note now runs for about 500 dollars here in Switzerland, 570 if you buy it from a telecom. The Nexus is now only 480, you guys are getting raped. Though the iPhone's are still up there here to running about 800. What I can't wait for is the Nokia 808, I just pre-ordered it last Tue. got it for 550. It will hopefully be my released from the hospital present to myself.
Read the post above yours: your numbers are wrong. The 32GB iPhone is sold for $749 without commitment, and for $299 with; The Note goes for $649 w/o commitment and $299 with. So there's a $100 difference in the subsidy.
Ergo, you're wrong.
I should have checked your facts before trying to argue logic.
As usual for AT&T, the price is different depending on where you're looking. If you log in to your account and look for the phones, you see a list price of $749 and a subsidized price of $299.
Of course, you can check other sites. Here's one where it's $813:
Well with Samsung releasing the Galaxy SGIII next month and the new Note in November as well as their soon TBA weird oval, egg phone that they just teased us with it will also be a very good year for Samsung. We will just have to wait and see, here is hoping Apple will release a larger screen display and a updated UI as that is the only way I would buy one.
As of the end of January 2013 there will be no doubt remaining that Samsung is the #2 smartphone vendor... never to regain top spot again... if you actually care about that sort of crap.
As usual for AT&T, the price is different depending on where you're looking. If you log in to your account and look for the phones, you see a list price of $749 and a subsidized price of $299.
Of course, you can check other sites. Here's one where it's $813:
Yeah I'm sorry no phone is worth $813 unless it's gold plated or signed by Steve Jobs. That is an insane amount of money considering how large the margains are on it, insane.
As of the end of January 2013 there will be no doubt remaining that Samsung is the #2 smartphone vendor... never to regain top spot again... if you actually care about that sort of crap.
I don't care who top dog is as long as the market becomes more balanced then it is now. Android and Apple have way to much market share I would love to see Windows Mobile, Mozilla's new OS and possibly Samsung's new Bada-Meego OS become players in the near future. We need more variety not less, I hate two party systems. Oh and you can't say never, none of us are oracles and if history has taught us nothing is forever. There is no doubt that Apple is riding a wave right but that wave will recede over time, that is a good thing to, no one company should have that much control over any one market. Even if it is Apple.
<p> </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>island hermit</strong> <a href="/t/149668/estimate-claims-apple-bested-samsung-by-3m-to-remain-top-smartphone-vendor/40#post_2102224"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> <br /> As of the end of January 2013 there will be no doubt remaining that Samsung is the #2 smartphone vendor... never to regain top spot again... if you actually care about that sort of crap.</p> </div></div><p> </p><p> I don't care who top dog is as long as the market becomes more balanced then it is now. Android and Apple have way to much market share I would love to see Windows Mobile, Mozilla's new OS and possibly Samsung's new Bada-Meego OS become players in the near future. We need more variety not less, I hate two party systems. Oh and you can't say never, none of us are oracles and if history has taught us nothing is forever. There is no doubt that Apple is riding a wave right but that wave will recede over time, that is a good thing to, no one company should have that much control over any one market. Even if it is Apple.</p>
It depends what do you mean by "forever" but it seems likely apple will do very well at least by end of this decade if not this century.
Well I should not go that far when 2012 dec is near (end of days).
As usual for AT&T, the price is different depending on where you're looking. If you log in to your account and look for the phones, you see a list price of $749 and a subsidized price of $299.
Of course, you can check other sites. Here's one where it's $813:
So when Apple reports they sold 35M iPhones in the quarter that number includes phones that haven't yet been sold to a consumer but were purchased by a reseller? If that's the case how is that different than reporting a shipped number?
You have to now what happens to channel inventory. If channel inventory is unchanged, then the number of phones shipped is equal to the number sold to consumers. Apple's channel inventory is modest and relatively stable - and is reported quarterly so you can do the math yourself.
Other vendors don't report channel inventory, so it's impossible to know if they're stuffing the pipeline.
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
But but but, with a "Note" you get a free stylus that you can use to ream your ears, clean your fingernails, and do other body grooming functions!
Sure, but with an iPhone, you get a liquidmetal SIM ejection tool. :P
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio
Here's the link with AT&T pricing, and a snapshot of the page the way I see it:
AT&T's prices are clearly $299 and $649, so their subsidy is $350 (which they also state by "You Save $350").
Stop making up lies to support a losing argument.
As I said (get someone to read it to you since you're having trouble comprehending it), AT&T has different prices in different parts of their site. If you're logged in to your account, the price they gave is $749.
Plus, as I showed, other sites have that phone for as much as $813.
In any event, it's a POS phone and is subsidized heavily. So the original claim that you're defending (that only Apple can get the carriers to subsidize phones heavily) is wrong.
As I said (get someone to read it to you since you're having trouble comprehending it), AT&T has different prices in different parts of their site. If you're logged in to your account, the price they gave is $749.
Plus, as I showed, other sites have that phone for as much as $813.
In any event, it's a POS phone and is subsidized heavily. So the original claim that you're defending (that only Apple can get the carriers to subsidize phones heavily) is wrong.
You said it, but provided zero evidence. If AT&T can sell the Note to a new user for $649, then that's their price. Citing prices of other random vendors is pointless and doesn't prove anything.
<p> </p><div class="quote-container"> <span>Quote:</span> <div class="quote-block"> Originally Posted by <strong>DrDoppio</strong> <a href="/t/149668/estimate-claims-apple-bested-samsung-by-3m-to-remain-top-smartphone-vendor/40#post_2102142"><img alt="View Post" class="inlineimg" src="/img/forum/go_quote.gif" /></a><br /> <br /> <p> </p> <p> </p> <p> Read the post above yours: your numbers are wrong. The 32GB iPhone is sold for $749 without commitment, and for $299 with; The Note goes for $649 w/o commitment and $299 with. So there's a $100 difference in the subsidy.</p> <p> </p> <p> <strong>Ergo, you're wrong.</strong></p> <p> </p> <p> I should have checked your facts before trying to argue logic.</p> </div></div><p> </p><p> Wow 650, the Note now runs for about 500 dollars here in Switzerland, 570 if you buy it from a telecom. The Nexus is now only 480, you guys are getting raped. Though the iPhone's are still up there here to running about 800. What I can't wait for is the Nokia 808, I just pre-ordered it last Tue. got it for 550. It will hopefully be my released from the hospital present to myself. </p>
That's exactly what I said, the one who's actually raped is the one who buy SG, or Note, the same or similar price of iPhone.
The most bad ass SG phone is $100 less than iPhone here (off contract). The cheapest Samsung smartphone is only $100. The 3GS? You have to have upward of $300 to buy this 3 years old phone. No wonder Samsung's number is great.
But but but, with a "Note" you get a free stylus that you can use to ream your ears, clean your fingernails, and do other body grooming functions!
Oh my gosh, I know it's gross but I've been using the pen to scratch the stitches under my bandages. I had surgery on my chest recently as I'm fighting breast cancer but that little pen has been a God send. I got to tell you worth the price of the phone.
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Originally Posted by island hermit
Who gives a rat's ass. #1 #2 ... it's not like Apple is hurting and is going to go out of business tomorrow.
Besides, starting in the middle of October there will no longer be any question anyway... just in case anyone thinks it actually matters.
Well with Samsung releasing the Galaxy SGIII next month and the new Note in November as well as their soon TBA weird oval, egg phone that they just teased us with it will also be a very good year for Samsung. We will just have to wait and see, here is hoping Apple will release a larger screen display and a updated UI as that is the only way I would buy one.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrDoppio
Read the post above yours: your numbers are wrong. The 32GB iPhone is sold for $749 without commitment, and for $299 with; The Note goes for $649 w/o commitment and $299 with. So there's a $100 difference in the subsidy.
Ergo, you're wrong.
I should have checked your facts before trying to argue logic.
Wow 650, the Note now runs for about 500 dollars here in Switzerland, 570 if you buy it from a telecom. The Nexus is now only 480, you guys are getting raped. Though the iPhone's are still up there here to running about 800. What I can't wait for is the Nokia 808, I just pre-ordered it last Tue. got it for 550. It will hopefully be my released from the hospital present to myself.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrDoppio
Read the post above yours: your numbers are wrong. The 32GB iPhone is sold for $749 without commitment, and for $299 with; The Note goes for $649 w/o commitment and $299 with. So there's a $100 difference in the subsidy.
Ergo, you're wrong.
I should have checked your facts before trying to argue logic.
As usual for AT&T, the price is different depending on where you're looking. If you log in to your account and look for the phones, you see a list price of $749 and a subsidized price of $299.
Of course, you can check other sites. Here's one where it's $813:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2032157&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=jXot6eVeYJg-fmW6SRDtUBun2ZuMeECl4g
So AT&T's subsidy may be even greater.
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Originally Posted by Relic
Well with Samsung releasing the Galaxy SGIII next month and the new Note in November as well as their soon TBA weird oval, egg phone that they just teased us with it will also be a very good year for Samsung. We will just have to wait and see, here is hoping Apple will release a larger screen display and a updated UI as that is the only way I would buy one.
As of the end of January 2013 there will be no doubt remaining that Samsung is the #2 smartphone vendor... never to regain top spot again... if you actually care about that sort of crap.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
As usual for AT&T, the price is different depending on where you're looking. If you log in to your account and look for the phones, you see a list price of $749 and a subsidized price of $299.
Of course, you can check other sites. Here's one where it's $813:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2032157&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=jXot6eVeYJg-fmW6SRDtUBun2ZuMeECl4g
So AT&T's subsidy may be even greater.
Yeah I'm sorry no phone is worth $813 unless it's gold plated or signed by Steve Jobs. That is an insane amount of money considering how large the margains are on it, insane.
Quote:
Originally Posted by island hermit
As of the end of January 2013 there will be no doubt remaining that Samsung is the #2 smartphone vendor... never to regain top spot again... if you actually care about that sort of crap.
I don't care who top dog is as long as the market becomes more balanced then it is now. Android and Apple have way to much market share I would love to see Windows Mobile, Mozilla's new OS and possibly Samsung's new Bada-Meego OS become players in the near future. We need more variety not less, I hate two party systems. Oh and you can't say never, none of us are oracles and if history has taught us nothing is forever. There is no doubt that Apple is riding a wave right but that wave will recede over time, that is a good thing to, no one company should have that much control over any one market. Even if it is Apple.
It depends what do you mean by "forever" but it seems likely apple will do very well at least by end of this decade if not this century.
Well I should not go that far when 2012 dec is near (end of days).
Quote:
Originally Posted by jragosta
As usual for AT&T, the price is different depending on where you're looking. If you log in to your account and look for the phones, you see a list price of $749 and a subsidized price of $299.
Of course, you can check other sites. Here's one where it's $813:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2032157&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=jXot6eVeYJg-fmW6SRDtUBun2ZuMeECl4g
So AT&T's subsidy may be even greater.
Here's the link with AT&T pricing, and a snapshot of the page the way I see it:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/index.jsp?device=Samsung+Galaxy+Note+(TM)+-+Carbon+Blue&q_sku=sku5610251#fbid=i4ayzB6DP97
http://i.imgur.com/MeM32.png
AT&T's prices are clearly $299 and $649, so their subsidy is $350 (which they also state by "You Save $350").
Stop making up lies to support a losing argument.
BTT: this is what Samsung reported:
? Market : Demand decreased low teens% QoQ amid low seasonal demand
- Demand for smartphones and feature phones decreased QoQ due to demand slowdown in developed markets
? Samsung : Earnings increased significantly QoQ led by product mix improvement
? Strong smartphone sales
- Smartphone : Shipments increased across all regions, especially in the emerging markets
· Steady sales of the existing models (Galaxy SII, Ace, Y, etc.) and sales expansion of high-end strategic models (Galaxy Note, LTE, etc.)
- ASP increased QoQ led by product mix improvement
No sign of a 45 million blowout quarter.
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Originally Posted by Rogifan
So when Apple reports they sold 35M iPhones in the quarter that number includes phones that haven't yet been sold to a consumer but were purchased by a reseller? If that's the case how is that different than reporting a shipped number?
You have to now what happens to channel inventory. If channel inventory is unchanged, then the number of phones shipped is equal to the number sold to consumers. Apple's channel inventory is modest and relatively stable - and is reported quarterly so you can do the math yourself.
Other vendors don't report channel inventory, so it's impossible to know if they're stuffing the pipeline.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
But but but, with a "Note" you get a free stylus that you can use to ream your ears, clean your fingernails, and do other body grooming functions!
Sure, but with an iPhone, you get a liquidmetal SIM ejection tool. :P
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrDoppio
Here's the link with AT&T pricing, and a snapshot of the page the way I see it:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/index.jsp?device=Samsung+Galaxy+Note+(TM)+-+Carbon+Blue&q_sku=sku5610251#fbid=i4ayzB6DP97
http://i.imgur.com/MeM32.png
AT&T's prices are clearly $299 and $649, so their subsidy is $350 (which they also state by "You Save $350").
Stop making up lies to support a losing argument.
As I said (get someone to read it to you since you're having trouble comprehending it), AT&T has different prices in different parts of their site. If you're logged in to your account, the price they gave is $749.
Plus, as I showed, other sites have that phone for as much as $813.
In any event, it's a POS phone and is subsidized heavily. So the original claim that you're defending (that only Apple can get the carriers to subsidize phones heavily) is wrong.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jragosta
As I said (get someone to read it to you since you're having trouble comprehending it), AT&T has different prices in different parts of their site. If you're logged in to your account, the price they gave is $749.
Plus, as I showed, other sites have that phone for as much as $813.
In any event, it's a POS phone and is subsidized heavily. So the original claim that you're defending (that only Apple can get the carriers to subsidize phones heavily) is wrong.
You said it, but provided zero evidence. If AT&T can sell the Note to a new user for $649, then that's their price. Citing prices of other random vendors is pointless and doesn't prove anything.
You're not a very gracious loser, are you?
That's exactly what I said, the one who's actually raped is the one who buy SG, or Note, the same or similar price of iPhone.
The most bad ass SG phone is $100 less than iPhone here (off contract). The cheapest Samsung smartphone is only $100. The 3GS? You have to have upward of $300 to buy this 3 years old phone. No wonder Samsung's number is great.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
But but but, with a "Note" you get a free stylus that you can use to ream your ears, clean your fingernails, and do other body grooming functions!
Oh my gosh, I know it's gross but I've been using the pen to scratch the stitches under my bandages. I had surgery on my chest recently as I'm fighting breast cancer but that little pen has been a God send. I got to tell you worth the price of the phone.