Talk about screwed up logic. Apple isn't adding USB 3 to the AIRs, Intel is adding it to the Ivy Bridge chipsets. Apple will use the functionality in their new machines but it is a bit confused to say they are adding anything. Intel adds, Apple uses.
Talk about screwed up logic. Apple isn't adding USB 3 to the AIRs, Intel is adding it to the Ivy Bridge chipsets. Apple will use the functionality in their new machines but it is a bit confused to say they are adding anything. Intel adds, Apple uses.
"Hey, man, I'm just a buyer, man, you gotta give me a break here!"
No, they're going to support it. They're just going to push Thunderbolt much more.
Just because they can (suppress it) doesn't mean they will (suppress it).
There is no need for Apple to suppress anything. The use cases for TB and USB3 are completely different. I still don't understand why people have such a mental block with this. It is like looking at the HDMI and TB ports on a Mini and not understanding that they serve the same but yet different purposes.
Fingers crossed that the next generation of iPhones and iPads come with USB3. Syncing 64GB can take a while!
I suspect that the next dock port will have both USB support and TB support. TB will be big here, you will be able to connect your iPhone to a 27 inch monitor if you want.
I still don't understand why people have such a mental block with this. It is like looking at the HDMI and TB ports on a Mini and not understanding that they serve the same but yet different purposes.
Exactly, one pushes video and the other pushes video and everything else you could ever want.
Like USB and Thunderbolt. One pushes data and the other pushes data faster, plus video and everything else you could ever want.
I'm only slightly pulling your leg here. You can easily see why people can't understand reasons for USB 3, et. al.
Fingers crossed that the next generation of iPhones and iPads come with USB3. Syncing 64GB can take a while!
Syncing is properly limited by the speed of NAND rather then actual USB 2.0 speed most of the time. Although as we have faster storage USB 3.0 should help too.
Thunderbolt is 'just' a way to bring the PCI Express bus outboard; the current SD card reader on latest MBA/P is already based on PCI Express, and not on USB. Using USB 3 would be a step backward in terms of available bandwidth, but i do not know how significant; fastest SD card have already speed in the order of 90MB/sec.
Previous SD Card is based on PCI-Express at 125MB/s. With PCI-Express 2.0 that could go up to 250MB/S. USB 3.0 do offers a real world bandwidth of over 300MB/s so that is no exactly a step backward. I think the move to USB 3.0 based card controller has more to do with cost reduction then anything else..
.11ac would be great. Wired would still be faster, but I want a rounded jack so I can insert it in the dark. Why do all these connectors work one-way only? Where's the innovation in that? 'Just' make a rounded headphone-like jack with a fiber-optic-like innards.
.11ac would be great. Wired would still be faster, but I want a rounded jack so I can insert it in the dark. Why do all these connectors work one-way only? Where's the innovation in that? 'Just' make a rounded headphone-like jack with a fiber-optic-like innards.
Circles are terrible for thinness, though. And fiber doesn't carry power, so you'd get one battery charge for the device ever.
Exactly, one pushes video and the other pushes video and everything else you could ever want.
Like USB and Thunderbolt. One pushes data and the other pushes data faster, plus video and everything else you could ever want.
I'm only slightly pulling your leg here. You can easily see why people can't understand reasons for USB 3, et. al.
Actually I can't understand this stupidity that has grown up around Thunderbolt. It should be completely obvious to anybody that TB will not be a low cost interface anytime soon. The two interfaces serve entirely different markets and performance classes.
There may come a day when I can buy a $2 microcontroller with TB built in to implement low cost accessories but that is a long way off. Further if Apple & Intel don't have a long term plan to license the technology we may never see cost effective TB solutions for low end devices.
Frankly I suspect that Apple has already gotten what it wanted out of TB which was an elegant way to dock a laptop. I suspect that any other uses for TB that develop over timei are seen as gravy.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
The 15" already has one.
I'm not sure what you mean - there is no 15" MBA.
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Originally Posted by elroth
I'm not sure what you mean - there is no 15" MBA.
Nor will there be, I imagine, if the MacBook Pro is getting a redesign.
Wonder if they could jam an SDXC slot in the 11"…
Fingers crossed that the next generation of iPhones and iPads come with USB3. Syncing 64GB can take a while!
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Originally Posted by RichL
Fingers crossed that the next generation of iPhones and iPads come with USB3. Syncing 64GB can take a while!
802.11ac. Or Thunderbolt.
Talk about screwed up logic. Apple isn't adding USB 3 to the AIRs, Intel is adding it to the Ivy Bridge chipsets. Apple will use the functionality in their new machines but it is a bit confused to say they are adding anything. Intel adds, Apple uses.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
Talk about screwed up logic. Apple isn't adding USB 3 to the AIRs, Intel is adding it to the Ivy Bridge chipsets. Apple will use the functionality in their new machines but it is a bit confused to say they are adding anything. Intel adds, Apple uses.
"Hey, man, I'm just a buyer, man, you gotta give me a break here!"
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
No, they're going to support it. They're just going to push Thunderbolt much more.
Just because they can (suppress it) doesn't mean they will (suppress it).
There is no need for Apple to suppress anything. The use cases for TB and USB3 are completely different. I still don't understand why people have such a mental block with this. It is like looking at the HDMI and TB ports on a Mini and not understanding that they serve the same but yet different purposes.
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Originally Posted by RichL
Fingers crossed that the next generation of iPhones and iPads come with USB3. Syncing 64GB can take a while!
I suspect that the next dock port will have both USB support and TB support. TB will be big here, you will be able to connect your iPhone to a 27 inch monitor if you want.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
I still don't understand why people have such a mental block with this. It is like looking at the HDMI and TB ports on a Mini and not understanding that they serve the same but yet different purposes.
Exactly, one pushes video and the other pushes video and everything else you could ever want.
Like USB and Thunderbolt. One pushes data and the other pushes data faster, plus video and everything else you could ever want.
I'm only slightly pulling your leg here. You can easily see why people can't understand reasons for USB 3, et. al.
Syncing is properly limited by the speed of NAND rather then actual USB 2.0 speed most of the time. Although as we have faster storage USB 3.0 should help too.
Previous SD Card is based on PCI-Express at 125MB/s. With PCI-Express 2.0 that could go up to 250MB/S. USB 3.0 do offers a real world bandwidth of over 300MB/s so that is no exactly a step backward. I think the move to USB 3.0 based card controller has more to do with cost reduction then anything else..
.11ac would be great. Wired would still be faster, but I want a rounded jack so I can insert it in the dark. Why do all these connectors work one-way only? Where's the innovation in that? 'Just' make a rounded headphone-like jack with a fiber-optic-like innards.
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
.11ac would be great. Wired would still be faster, but I want a rounded jack so I can insert it in the dark. Why do all these connectors work one-way only? Where's the innovation in that? 'Just' make a rounded headphone-like jack with a fiber-optic-like innards.
Circles are terrible for thinness, though. And fiber doesn't carry power, so you'd get one battery charge for the device ever.
Actually I can't understand this stupidity that has grown up around Thunderbolt. It should be completely obvious to anybody that TB will not be a low cost interface anytime soon. The two interfaces serve entirely different markets and performance classes.
There may come a day when I can buy a $2 microcontroller with TB built in to implement low cost accessories but that is a long way off. Further if Apple & Intel don't have a long term plan to license the technology we may never see cost effective TB solutions for low end devices.
Frankly I suspect that Apple has already gotten what it wanted out of TB which was an elegant way to dock a laptop. I suspect that any other uses for TB that develop over timei are seen as gravy.