So that's 2.5ish points for iPhone six, one point for iPhone 4G, and zero points for iPhone 5. I bring up the third one only because it did remain valid. While G is lower than S, it fits their old pattern and could have been valid. There's also the "milking the '4' name" to consider.
Never thought I'd have to type that again…
But again, all of this is moot. As of the 3rd iPad launch, we're virtually guaranteed to be dropping the numbers from iPhone names entirely.
I don't know if that is such a great idea. What are they going to call next year's iPad? How are people going to explain what they have? It's already confusing with Macs where you have Early 2009 xxx, Late 2009 xxx, Early 2010 - Mid 2010 - Late 2010 models. People are going to start making up their own conventions, causing a real mess.
"That's fine. We look up the serial number every single time anyway, so it's not like we'll give you wrong information."
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It's already confusing with Macs where you have Early 2009 xxx, Late 2009 xxx, Early 2010 - Mid 2010 - Late 2010 models.
No, it isn't. No one pays any attention to them. No one CARES, except Apple and resellers (both public and private), and then they have the means to figure it out. People who want help (like, say, here), will be guided by those of us that know specs or have MacTracker.
"So you want to find out how much RAM your system can handle?"
"Yes, it's a 2.53 15"."
"Ah, well, we have two models like that. When did you buy it?"
"Oh, like four years ago."
"You didn't buy it two years ago?"
"No, certainly not; it has been longer than that."
"All right, you have a Late 2008 and can use 8GB of RAM. Here's the link to the proper RAM on OWC."
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People are going to start making up their own conventions, causing a real mess.
One iPad a year doesn't seem to hard to keep track of. Nor does one iPhone a year. And I don't think it'll be a problem with multiple models at all.
Apple already has spec comparison charts for the iPhone and iPad. If people are confused by the names (because they'd absolutely be confused by the names right now), they can look at the chart, see what each model can do, and choose based on that. Without names, it becomes even easier to parse.
IMO I think it is confusing and just silly to quit using respective names to new products. It would be like operating systems just being called "The New OS" every year... or every time safari or firefox updates it would just be "The New Safari" or Mc Donalds coming out with a new burger with no description or name and just saying "It's the new burger!" I guess next upgrade or update or new item could be the New new then the New new new and so on...
I don't know if that is such a great idea. What are they going to call next year's iPad? How are people going to explain what they have? It's already confusing with Macs where you have Early 2009 xxx, Late 2009 xxx, Early 2010 - Mid 2010 - Late 2010 models. People are going to start making up their own conventions, causing a real mess.
They will call it "the new iPad" which is what they called the third-generation iPad.
Also, you are confusing marketing names and support names.
Concerning the Macs, the "Early 2009 xxx" and other designations are for support issues. Same with product codes. They aren't used by Apple marketing. Last year's 13-inch MacBook Pro has the same name as this year's 13-inch MacBook Pro.
Going forward, the most likely scenario is for Apple to drop versions from the marketing names for the iPad and iPhone, just like they have done with the iPads and Macs.
For support issues, Apple will refer to the models by date (early 2012) or by product code.
I don't know if that is such a great idea. What are they going to call next year's iPad? How are people going to explain what they have? It's already confusing with Macs where you have Early 2009 xxx, Late 2009 xxx, Early 2010 - Mid 2010 - Late 2010 models. People are going to start making up their own conventions, causing a real mess.
It's not that confusing - Apple has done it with their computers for years as you're pointing out. If you need to know for sure, there's the serial number or "Macbook Pro 7.2" in the 'about this Mac' area.
Yes - quite regularly. mammals.org comes to mind. Or iKids.com. Or iSchool.com. Applepico.com. Or some which contain a trademark but clearly Apple doesn't intend to use (iphoneporn4s.com, iphonesex4s.com, iphonexxxforce.com, iphone4s.com and porn4iphones.com.). Stevejobs.xxx. You can find lots more by searching.
Now, it's entirely possible that Apple will be releasing a sexbot in Steve Jobs' image so they wanted to protect the domain name, but I doubt it.
Aren't these examples of cybersquatting that Apple rails against?
My only issue with these kinds of cases Is it allows companies like apple to not register domains But the second someone reserves iphone5.com etc They file a lawsuit, and win it, just based on the term iPhone So they basically own all domains that have iPhone, iPod, iPad, Mac , etc WITHOUT actually paying a single cent. isn't that giving established companies an unfair advantage? If the domain iphone5 was so important to apple Why did they not register it previously? Here's a free tip Why not register iphone6, iPhone7, etc etc now and save themselves a lot of hassle
IMO I think it is confusing and just silly to quit using respective names to new products. It would be like operating systems just being called "The New OS" every year... or every time safari or firefox updates it would just be "The New Safari" or Mc Donalds coming out with a new burger with no description or name and just saying "It's the new burger!" I guess next upgrade or update or new item could be the New new then the New new new and so on...
That's over-thinking it.
Do people confuse a 1968 and 2010 Camaro? No unless they've never seen one.
Device name - Model year
or
Xth generation Device name
Both work, and it saves having to keep marketing people on staff to come up with witty things like "4GS"
Given that they own those product names, no, it isn't.
Even Apple does not know the future.
they own the product names, not the domains
so you mean to tell me that ford , which owns the Mustang name, automatically owns all domain names that have Mustang in them?
no they don't
and this case proves that companies should not care about registering domains, since the minute someone else registers a domain with their product name in it, they will be handed over the keys to the domain
Apple may not know the future, but i am sure someone at Apple HQ knows that 5 comes after 4
they own the product names, not the domains
so you mean to tell me that ford , which owns the Mustang name, automatically owns all domain names that have Mustang in them?
no they don't
and this case proves that companies should not care about registering domains, since the minute someone else registers a domain with their product name in it, they will be handed over the keys to the domain
Apple may not know the future, but i am sure someone at Apple HQ knows that 5 comes after 4
That's not even close to being accurate. Domain squating is done to hurt or profit off another's brand or trademark. I certainly can't create a soda called Pepsie and expect to get away with it.
If there was a PC company called Mammals PC that felt Apple's ownership and lack of use was done to hurt or illegitamatey piggyback on their name or products then they could go through the same steps and likely win.
Check out the story of Toyota and why the car company still doesn't have ownership of the name.
Just in time for the iPhone 5 release this fall......
I know it is the 6th generation of the iPhone but I still think it will be called the iPhone 5
And this is why they are calling it "the new iPhone" because a bunch of measurebating limp wrists refuse to acknowledge hardware that doesn't have a different case design. Just because you are unabashedly ignorant to the internal workings of iPhone 4S doesn't mean Apple is going to disregard counting.
four ah ah ah, five ah ah ah, five again ah ah ah
What Apple never told anyone was that the iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS were actually referred to as iPhone 2 and iPhone 2S internally, but those names were kept from the public so that all the people who are indefinitely right wouldn't get too full of themselves. After all, it's tough always being correct, despite logic and basic arithmetic being against you.
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Did you mean Cue?
My logic? It's their logic. And yes, they established patterns early on to which they've kept.
1st gen: iPhone. Highlights generation. Self-explanatory.
2nd gen: iPhone 3G. Highlights telephony.
3rd gen: iPhone 3GS. Highlights speed.
4th gen: iPhone 4. Highlights generation.
5th gen: iPhone 4S. Highlights speed.
So we see they've used three naming conventions and have established a pattern with them. "iPhone 5" falls under none of these naming conventions.
iPhone 5: [ ] Generation, [ ] Telephony, [ ] iOS version, [ ] chip name
iPhone 6: [?] Generation, [ ] Telephony, [?] iOS version, [?*] chip name
iPhone 4G: [ ] Generation, [?] Telephony, [ ] iOS version, [ ] chip name
So that's 2.5ish points for iPhone six, one point for iPhone 4G, and zero points for iPhone 5. I bring up the third one only because it did remain valid. While G is lower than S, it fits their old pattern and could have been valid. There's also the "milking the '4' name" to consider.
Never thought I'd have to type that again…
But again, all of this is moot. As of the 3rd iPad launch, we're virtually guaranteed to be dropping the numbers from iPhone names entirely.
I don't know if that is such a great idea. What are they going to call next year's iPad? How are people going to explain what they have? It's already confusing with Macs where you have Early 2009 xxx, Late 2009 xxx, Early 2010 - Mid 2010 - Late 2010 models. People are going to start making up their own conventions, causing a real mess.Quote:
Originally Posted by techguy911
What are they going to call next year's iPad?
"The new iPad."
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How are people going to explain what they have?
"I need help with my iPad."
"Okay, when did you buy it?"
"Uh, early 2012, I think."
"That's fine. We look up the serial number every single time anyway, so it's not like we'll give you wrong information."
Quote:
It's already confusing with Macs where you have Early 2009 xxx, Late 2009 xxx, Early 2010 - Mid 2010 - Late 2010 models.
No, it isn't. No one pays any attention to them. No one CARES, except Apple and resellers (both public and private), and then they have the means to figure it out. People who want help (like, say, here), will be guided by those of us that know specs or have MacTracker.
"So you want to find out how much RAM your system can handle?"
"Yes, it's a 2.53 15"."
"Ah, well, we have two models like that. When did you buy it?"
"Oh, like four years ago."
"You didn't buy it two years ago?"
"No, certainly not; it has been longer than that."
"All right, you have a Late 2008 and can use 8GB of RAM. Here's the link to the proper RAM on OWC."
Quote:
People are going to start making up their own conventions, causing a real mess.
One iPad a year doesn't seem to hard to keep track of. Nor does one iPhone a year. And I don't think it'll be a problem with multiple models at all.
Apple already has spec comparison charts for the iPhone and iPad. If people are confused by the names (because they'd absolutely be confused by the names right now), they can look at the chart, see what each model can do, and choose based on that. Without names, it becomes even easier to parse.
IMO I think it is confusing and just silly to quit using respective names to new products. It would be like operating systems just being called "The New OS" every year... or every time safari or firefox updates it would just be "The New Safari" or Mc Donalds coming out with a new burger with no description or name and just saying "It's the new burger!" I guess next upgrade or update or new item could be the New new then the New new new and so on...
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Originally Posted by techguy911
I don't know if that is such a great idea. What are they going to call next year's iPad? How are people going to explain what they have? It's already confusing with Macs where you have Early 2009 xxx, Late 2009 xxx, Early 2010 - Mid 2010 - Late 2010 models. People are going to start making up their own conventions, causing a real mess.They will call it "the new iPad" which is what they called the third-generation iPad.
Also, you are confusing marketing names and support names.
Concerning the Macs, the "Early 2009 xxx" and other designations are for support issues. Same with product codes. They aren't used by Apple marketing. Last year's 13-inch MacBook Pro has the same name as this year's 13-inch MacBook Pro.
Going forward, the most likely scenario is for Apple to drop versions from the marketing names for the iPad and iPhone, just like they have done with the iPads and Macs.
For support issues, Apple will refer to the models by date (early 2012) or by product code.
It's not that confusing - Apple has done it with their computers for years as you're pointing out. If you need to know for sure, there's the serial number or "Macbook Pro 7.2" in the 'about this Mac' area.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
If you need to know for sure, there's the serial number or "Macbook Pro 7.2" in the 'about this Mac' area.
And as of Lion, it'll tell you outright what it is.
Where are you seeing that? I don't get it in 'About This Mac' on my 2006 MBP.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Where are you seeing that? I don't get it in 'About This Mac' on my 2006 MBP.
Ah, really? Must be a Mountain Lion thing, then.
Oh, I hit More Info to see it. It's in System Information (formerly Apple System Profiler).
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Yes - quite regularly. mammals.org comes to mind. Or iKids.com. Or iSchool.com. Applepico.com. Or some which contain a trademark but clearly Apple doesn't intend to use (iphoneporn4s.com, iphonesex4s.com, iphonexxxforce.com, iphone4s.com and porn4iphones.com.). Stevejobs.xxx. You can find lots more by searching.
Now, it's entirely possible that Apple will be releasing a sexbot in Steve Jobs' image so they wanted to protect the domain name, but I doubt it.
Aren't these examples of cybersquatting that Apple rails against?
My only issue with these kinds of cases Is it allows companies like apple to not register domains But the second someone reserves iphone5.com etc They file a lawsuit, and win it, just based on the term iPhone So they basically own all domains that have iPhone, iPod, iPad, Mac , etc WITHOUT actually paying a single cent. isn't that giving established companies an unfair advantage? If the domain iphone5 was so important to apple Why did they not register it previously? Here's a free tip Why not register iphone6, iPhone7, etc etc now and save themselves a lot of hassle
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Originally Posted by kmarei
isn't that giving established companies an unfair advantage?
Given that they own those product names, no, it isn't.
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If the domain iphone5 was so important to apple Why did they not register it previously?
Even Apple does not know the future.
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Originally Posted by not1lost
IMO I think it is confusing and just silly to quit using respective names to new products. It would be like operating systems just being called "The New OS" every year... or every time safari or firefox updates it would just be "The New Safari" or Mc Donalds coming out with a new burger with no description or name and just saying "It's the new burger!" I guess next upgrade or update or new item could be the New new then the New new new and so on...
That's over-thinking it.
Do people confuse a 1968 and 2010 Camaro? No unless they've never seen one.
Device name - Model year
or
Xth generation Device name
Both work, and it saves having to keep marketing people on staff to come up with witty things like "4GS"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Given that they own those product names, no, it isn't.
Even Apple does not know the future.
they own the product names, not the domains
so you mean to tell me that ford , which owns the Mustang name, automatically owns all domain names that have Mustang in them?
no they don't
and this case proves that companies should not care about registering domains, since the minute someone else registers a domain with their product name in it, they will be handed over the keys to the domain
Apple may not know the future, but i am sure someone at Apple HQ knows that 5 comes after 4
That's not even close to being accurate. Domain squating is done to hurt or profit off another's brand or trademark. I certainly can't create a soda called Pepsie and expect to get away with it.
If there was a PC company called Mammals PC that felt Apple's ownership and lack of use was done to hurt or illegitamatey piggyback on their name or products then they could go through the same steps and likely win.
Check out the story of Toyota and why the car company still doesn't have ownership of the name.
Quote:
Originally Posted by geekdad
Just in time for the iPhone 5 release this fall......
I know it is the 6th generation of the iPhone but I still think it will be called the iPhone 5
And this is why they are calling it "the new iPhone" because a bunch of measurebating limp wrists refuse to acknowledge hardware that doesn't have a different case design. Just because you are unabashedly ignorant to the internal workings of iPhone 4S doesn't mean Apple is going to disregard counting.
four ah ah ah, five ah ah ah, five again ah ah ah
What Apple never told anyone was that the iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS were actually referred to as iPhone 2 and iPhone 2S internally, but those names were kept from the public so that all the people who are indefinitely right wouldn't get too full of themselves. After all, it's tough always being correct, despite logic and basic arithmetic being against you.