I have a new iPad and a new ATV -- both have the A5x chip. The new iPad can AirPlay to the ATV at a system level and do it with mirroring on -- both the new iPad and. the ATV display the same thing on their screens.
That means that [almost *] anything or any iPad app can AirPlay to the HDTV and display in both places... I was drawing on pictures on the big screen... telestrating in a way...
* some existing apps that support AirPlay do not support mirroring -- if they didn't support AirPlay, the system-level feature would provide AirPlay with mirroring.
Think of the possibilities in the living room, the board room, the meeting room, the class room, the operating room...
I doubt that any of the competition's tablets introduced this year (or next?) will have the infrastructure in place to do this. And, by this time next year, I suspect that Apple will have implemented the new, faster 802.11ac WiFi across their product line...
And remember, the new iPad has more pixels than a 1080P HDTV..
People can get used to anything. And people deserve to get what they want.
So people who get used to Metro will use it, and people who want Metro will like it.
I just don't think very many people, when faces with the option, will want it.
And as a user-centered researcher, my objective opinion is that the Metro interface is interesting as a concept and a surprising esthetic change for Microsoft.
But as far as usability, it's more than a bit of a train wreck.
No (Windows ARM-RT tablet) does NOT run regular Windows apps ...
Even worse though.
If a Consumer buys a Windows RT tablet, it will *look* like it *does* run regular Windows apps, because it will still have the regular Windows desktop behind the Metro, and it will have Office on it. They will see Office and the regular Windows desktop and think they can install other stuff but they can't.
It will be an ARM version of Office running on a "mock" desktop and both will be visually identical to the real thing (at least this is the latest info I've seen).
If a Consumer buys a Windows RT tablet, it will *look* like it *does* run regular Windows apps, because it will still have the regular Windows desktop behind the Metro, and it will have Office on it. They will see Office and the regular Windows desktop and think they can install other stuff but they can't.
It will be an ARM version of Office running on a "mock" desktop and both will be visually identical to the real thing (at least this is the latest info I've seen).
Maybe they'll have a special sticker that says: "ARM Inside".
X86 is more power hungry than ARM. That may change in a year or os, but for now, one needs to pack a bigger battery. Also, ARM has the graphics circuitry built on the same die as the CPU, unlike the X86 chip. If ARM holds still for a couple years, Intel will catch up, but then again...
I'm not sure; the Xolo X900 has a bit smaller battery than the flagship ARM Android phones and it doesn't perform terribly in the battery life tests Anand did.
Also, there is a single chip Atom SoC solution (Medfield, which is used in this phone and I'll wager some variant will be used in tablets as well), with PowerVR SGX540 graphics and the platform performs pretty well compared to the ARM chips.
Businesses won't buy Windows 8. It is destined to be the next Vista.
Agreed. Businesses are still moving to 7, they aren't about to have a mixed 7/8 environment unless they're forced to, persuaded to with licensing incentives, or they can get 8 to look, operate, and be administered exactly like 7. Microsoft has a burden of legacy support unmatched by any other company.
I agree that it will be confusing, but I don't necessarily believe the x86 tablets will be bulkier than the ARM tablets. Intel did finally get their Atom chip into a smartphone last month so I can't imagine slim tablets being much of an issue.
We're reading a fair amount about Atom chips and Win8 tablets. But to demo Win 8 Samsung needed a mobile i5 CPU that got hot enough that the tablet needed a cooling slot and a fan.
While Ivy Bridge has an advantage here, it's very possible that Atom chips will just barely be good enough. If that's the case, then those tablets will be heavier and require a bigger battery, making them even heavier.
We already know that they will require at least a 11.6" screen. And as we know, that will make the tablet bigger and heavier, and the bigger screen will itself require more battery power.
These tablets should also be more expensive. I'm reading that they could start at $599, at least.
In addition, they will have even more problems than Vista and Win7 has with usability on a tablet. Before, the problem was using a stylus on Windows, and Windows programs on a 13.3 to 15.4" screen. Now it will be on an even smaller 11.6" screen.
Not all Windows programs will run either. Many require more storage space, and more than 2GB RAM. More RAM, more heat, and more battery drain. And some won't run in the lower Rez screen well.
RT tablets will be as small, thin and inexpensive as any other ARM tablet, depending on what Microsoft charges for the license. But it isn't a Windows tablet. Microsoft can call it whatever they like, but calling it that doesn't make it that.
Same old MS. Same old jokes apply. Windows remains a godawful mess. Has anything really changed at MS in 20 years?
Everything about Windows 8 is a knee-jerk REACTION to MS' competitors making them look like retards over the past few years. So, naturally, it's a confusing jumble of different paradigms forced to work together. Poorly.
Ballmer's already given it the Kiss of Death. Whatever he predicts, the opposite happens.
If a Consumer buys a Windows RT tablet, it will *look* like it *does* run regular Windows apps, because it will still have the regular Windows desktop behind the Metro, and it will have Office on it. They will see Office and the regular Windows desktop and think they can install other stuff but they can't.
It will be an ARM version of Office running on a "mock" desktop and both will be visually identical to the real thing (at least this is the latest info I've seen).
I agree. I've been saying this for what seems to be ages. How well are the sales people going to be trained? That's going to be a major stumbling block.
Perhaps we all remember when Asus came out with the first netbooks. They ran Linux. People bought them in large numbers, because they came out during the beginning of the recession, and cheaper computers were important to a portion of the population.
But they were returned in large numbers as well, because when people got them home, they found they didn't run the programs they had, and expected them to run. Linux has been designed to be a Windows clone, on the desktop, pretty much anyway, so unsophisticated users can't always tell the difference from first looks.
NO ONE explained to these people that Linux was in these machines, and they they wouldn't run Windows programs. Will things be better now?
I predict the same problem here. Many people will look at a 10" windows RT tablet that's smaller, lighter and cheaper, and select it over the x86 model, thinking it's the same. The salespeople won't always know enough to explain the differences. And often, when they do, the buyer won't understand them.
It's really confusing as x86 tablets will run Metro apps. So both will seem the same. I can see the salesperson saying that they both run Metro apps, and the customer not understanding that RT tablets won't run Desktop apps, as the Desktop will seem to be in RT, even though it really isn't.
An addendum:
When these consumers bring these unwanted RT tablets back to the store, are they then going to buy the bigger, heavier, hotter and more expensive x86 tablets they DIDN'T want in the first place, or will they say; Screw it, give me an iPad!?
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A little OT....
According to the latest, the new iPad with the retina display and the A5x CPU/GPU has 13.7% of the US iPad traffic:
http://labs.chitika.com/ipad/
I have a new iPad and a new ATV -- both have the A5x chip. The new iPad can AirPlay to the ATV at a system level and do it with mirroring on -- both the new iPad and. the ATV display the same thing on their screens.
That means that [almost *] anything or any iPad app can AirPlay to the HDTV and display in both places... I was drawing on pictures on the big screen... telestrating in a way...
* some existing apps that support AirPlay do not support mirroring -- if they didn't support AirPlay, the system-level feature would provide AirPlay with mirroring.
Think of the possibilities in the living room, the board room, the meeting room, the class room, the operating room...
I doubt that any of the competition's tablets introduced this year (or next?) will have the infrastructure in place to do this. And, by this time next year, I suspect that Apple will have implemented the new, faster 802.11ac WiFi across their product line...
And remember, the new iPad has more pixels than a 1080P HDTV..
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Originally Posted by jakeb
Am I just dumb? I have no idea what the RT stands for.
Rad Tablets?
Really Touchy?
RT = Rat Titties.
In summary, it's lipstick on a pig...
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Originally Posted by KC_150
RT steads for "Real Tough" experience.
...could be ReTard
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Originally Posted by MacTel
The "R" probably is for ARM and "T" for tablet. So ARM Tablet edition.
If it used an "A" that that would bring back memories of IBM PC ATs. Bad memories.
I have warm memories of my old XT though.
(although the clones were actually better than the branded ones)
Before they were outclassed by those speed demon 286's :-)
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
RT = Rat Titties.
RT = Rotten tomatoes
RT = Rancid turd
RT = Rabid tools
RT = Re-tard
RT = Rost in Transration
RT = Rectal titillation
...
So, when are the prises being drawn? Can I have multiple entries, or should I just pick one?
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Originally Posted by FreeRange
No (Windows ARM-RT tablet) does NOT run regular Windows apps ...
Even worse though.
If a Consumer buys a Windows RT tablet, it will *look* like it *does* run regular Windows apps, because it will still have the regular Windows desktop behind the Metro, and it will have Office on it. They will see Office and the regular Windows desktop and think they can install other stuff but they can't.
It will be an ARM version of Office running on a "mock" desktop and both will be visually identical to the real thing (at least this is the latest info I've seen).
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio
RT = Rotten tomatoes
RT = Rancid turd
RT = Rabid tools
RT = Re-tard
RT = Rost in Transration
RT = Rectal titillation
...
So, when are the prises being drawn? Can I have multiple entries, or should I just pick one?
No... Windows 8 ARM RT Home/Mobile Pro Edition (with Stylus)...
iOS kinda' rolls off the tongue in comparison
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
Even worse though.
If a Consumer buys a Windows RT tablet, it will *look* like it *does* run regular Windows apps, because it will still have the regular Windows desktop behind the Metro, and it will have Office on it. They will see Office and the regular Windows desktop and think they can install other stuff but they can't.
It will be an ARM version of Office running on a "mock" desktop and both will be visually identical to the real thing (at least this is the latest info I've seen).
Maybe they'll have a special sticker that says: "ARM Inside".
Businesses won't buy Windows 8. It is destined to be the next Vista.
Businesses won't buy Windows 8. It is destined to be the next Vista.
I'd rather wait until I can get a leg
RT is in reference to the CEO, Ranting Tyrannosaur.
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
X86 is more power hungry than ARM. That may change in a year or os, but for now, one needs to pack a bigger battery. Also, ARM has the graphics circuitry built on the same die as the CPU, unlike the X86 chip. If ARM holds still for a couple years, Intel will catch up, but then again...
I'm not sure; the Xolo X900 has a bit smaller battery than the flagship ARM Android phones and it doesn't perform terribly in the battery life tests Anand did.
Also, there is a single chip Atom SoC solution (Medfield, which is used in this phone and I'll wager some variant will be used in tablets as well), with PowerVR SGX540 graphics and the platform performs pretty well compared to the ARM chips.
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Originally Posted by GS Turn
Businesses won't buy Windows 8. It is destined to be the next Vista.
Agreed. Businesses are still moving to 7, they aren't about to have a mixed 7/8 environment unless they're forced to, persuaded to with licensing incentives, or they can get 8 to look, operate, and be administered exactly like 7. Microsoft has a burden of legacy support unmatched by any other company.
Runtime? In that case, that's some bad branding. Apple has big cats, Android has sugar-related foods, Microsoft has... arcane programming terms?
While Ivy Bridge has an advantage here, it's very possible that Atom chips will just barely be good enough. If that's the case, then those tablets will be heavier and require a bigger battery, making them even heavier.
We already know that they will require at least a 11.6" screen. And as we know, that will make the tablet bigger and heavier, and the bigger screen will itself require more battery power.
These tablets should also be more expensive. I'm reading that they could start at $599, at least.
In addition, they will have even more problems than Vista and Win7 has with usability on a tablet. Before, the problem was using a stylus on Windows, and Windows programs on a 13.3 to 15.4" screen. Now it will be on an even smaller 11.6" screen.
Not all Windows programs will run either. Many require more storage space, and more than 2GB RAM. More RAM, more heat, and more battery drain. And some won't run in the lower Rez screen well.
RT tablets will be as small, thin and inexpensive as any other ARM tablet, depending on what Microsoft charges for the license. But it isn't a Windows tablet. Microsoft can call it whatever they like, but calling it that doesn't make it that.
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Originally Posted by jakeb
Am I just dumb? I have no idea what the RT stands for.
Rad Tablets?
Really Touchy?
ReTarded.
Same old MS. Same old jokes apply. Windows remains a godawful mess. Has anything really changed at MS in 20 years?
Everything about Windows 8 is a knee-jerk REACTION to MS' competitors making them look like retards over the past few years. So, naturally, it's a confusing jumble of different paradigms forced to work together. Poorly.
Ballmer's already given it the Kiss of Death. Whatever he predicts, the opposite happens.
http://www.neowin.net/news/up-to-500-million-windows-8-users-by-end-of-2013-says-ballmer
I agree. I've been saying this for what seems to be ages. How well are the sales people going to be trained? That's going to be a major stumbling block.
Perhaps we all remember when Asus came out with the first netbooks. They ran Linux. People bought them in large numbers, because they came out during the beginning of the recession, and cheaper computers were important to a portion of the population.
But they were returned in large numbers as well, because when people got them home, they found they didn't run the programs they had, and expected them to run. Linux has been designed to be a Windows clone, on the desktop, pretty much anyway, so unsophisticated users can't always tell the difference from first looks.
NO ONE explained to these people that Linux was in these machines, and they they wouldn't run Windows programs. Will things be better now?
I predict the same problem here. Many people will look at a 10" windows RT tablet that's smaller, lighter and cheaper, and select it over the x86 model, thinking it's the same. The salespeople won't always know enough to explain the differences. And often, when they do, the buyer won't understand them.
It's really confusing as x86 tablets will run Metro apps. So both will seem the same. I can see the salesperson saying that they both run Metro apps, and the customer not understanding that RT tablets won't run Desktop apps, as the Desktop will seem to be in RT, even though it really isn't.
An addendum:
When these consumers bring these unwanted RT tablets back to the store, are they then going to buy the bigger, heavier, hotter and more expensive x86 tablets they DIDN'T want in the first place, or will they say; Screw it, give me an iPad!?