More people would rather get a 3GS than the most expensive, fastest, newest Android.
This reporrt says otherwise.
I would take a 3gs to a LG 500 but I will take a Galaxy S II to a 3gs any day. I think most consumers who plan on using the smart phone will. The 3gs is even compared to some low end androids not much to brag about. The Camera sucks and no flash which is what a lot of people are buying phones for now. Coupled with the limited storage available for the current 3gs 8gb compared to getting a low end android that has a 5mp camera with flash and 4gbs on the phone and you can buy a 16gb memory card on the side. The 3gs was a good phone but technology has moved beyond it.
On the US carriers that sell it the Samsung Galaxy S II is the number 1 or 2 phones in terms of sells. The iPhone 4s is the number one where it is number two. Are you telling me all those people got the GSII because there was no 3Gs in stock at the time?
Actually the 3gs is free whereas the newest androids are up to 200 dollars so i don't see how you......oh, you were making joke.
Brand new Android devices, if you take a gander at the papers, are often buy one get one free.
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Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
This reporrt says otherwise.
Where does it say the top selling smartphones? I don't see that anywhere. Last I heard, the iPhone 4S, 4, and 3GS were still the top three. If there's new data to change that, I'd absolutely love to be corrected.
Brand new Android devices, if you take a gander at the papers, are often buy one get one free.
why buy one get one free, when you can get two 3gs's free, unless you...oh, you make joke
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Those statistics show Android heavily leading in market share. I would be more interested in seeing market share based around actual sales. Video game companies too often tout they shipped millions of copies (non-WoW MMOs are bad about this) but then when it comes down to which of those actually sold, it tends to be poor.
so you think there are 89.9 million android smart phones shipped to a warehouse? - if that was the case you would see a decline the next quarter - you do not have that much inventory of anything.
Videogames company is a perfect example - once initial software ships you see a spike but the next quarter it falls if not received well as distributors do not renew orders.
You do not keep getting millions shipped each quarter if it does not sell - that argument is illogical.
Android is at 68% in China... at this point "shipped not sold" is wishful thinking.
Is the iOS/Android disparity a shortcoming of Apple's distribution, or people actually picking Android phones over iPhones? In every service provider I've seen stats on which sell both the iPhone 4S and the latest Android phones, iOS is ahead of Android. But clearly there are a lot of Android sales SOMEwhere. Where are they coming from? Can the entire discrepancy be that China Mobile doesn't sell the iPhone? Or are these all pre-paid phones? Where are the providers that sell both but are seeing iPhones losing to Android 2.5-to-1??
More people would rather get a 3GS than the most expensive, fastest, newest Android.
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Originally Posted by bmason1270
bahahahahahhah!!!
Are you friggin kidding me? Only as a between contract replacement!
I love me my Apple products but the only reason I'd take a free 3GS over the newest and fastest Android would be because I chose the Apple Ecosytem.
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Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
This reporrt says otherwise.
I would take a 3gs to a LG 500 but I will take a Galaxy S II to a 3gs any day. I think most consumers who plan on using the smart phone will. The 3gs is even compared to some low end androids not much to brag about. The Camera sucks and no flash which is what a lot of people are buying phones for now. Coupled with the limited storage available for the current 3gs 8gb compared to getting a low end android that has a 5mp camera with flash and 4gbs on the phone and you can buy a 16gb memory card on the side. The 3gs was a good phone but technology has moved beyond it.
On the US carriers that sell it the Samsung Galaxy S II is the number 1 or 2 phones in terms of sells. The iPhone 4s is the number one where it is number two. Are you telling me all those people got the GSII because there was no 3Gs in stock at the time?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
All right, could you show me the most recent list of top selling phones? Have things changed since I last read?
In the interest of truth, the Samsung Galaxy SII is outselling the Apple iPhone 3GS. The iPhone 3GS was outselling every Android-based smartphone as recently as August 2011 although the iPhone 3GS was a two year old design at the time. The iPhone 4 was still a top three selling smartphone on AT&T and Sprint until February 2012 despite a 18 month old design at the time. In fact, the iPhone 4 was still a top three selling smartphone at Sprint as recently as the end of the last report in March. I can only imagine what happens if when the iPhone 4 becomes the $0.01 Apple smartphone.
I presume as far as Apple having the top three selling smartphones, the reference is this article on AppleInsider. Anyway the data is analyzed, Apple has three very popular smartphones. I don't see how this is anything but embarrassing for Google, HTC and Samsung.
Apple is still leading in profits which what companies care about. If it wants to gain significantly more market share (and that may not be a desirable thing if it cuts into profits), it needs to offer different size phones (ie a 4" iPhone 5 and a 3.5" 4s which very well may happen) and offer an inexpensive 3GS in markets where phones are not subsidized.
A 4.5" iPhone is needed to beat the competition. No one will by a small 3.5" screen that does not display enough.
Is the iOS/Android disparity a shortcoming of Apple's distribution, or people actually picking Android phones over iPhones? In every service provider I've seen stats on which sell both the iPhone 4S and the latest Android phones, iOS is ahead of Android. But clearly there are a lot of Android sales SOMEwhere. Where are they coming from? Can the entire discrepancy be that China Mobile doesn't sell the iPhone? Or are these all pre-paid phones? Where are the providers that sell both but are seeing iPhones losing to Android 2.5-to-1??
Europe, Middle East and Asia. EMEA.
An interesting note is that these are markets where Android-based smartphone ODMs are well established; HTC (Taiwan), Huawei (China), LG (South Korea), Samsung (South Korea), ZTE (China). As I am sure you are well aware, the population of China is approximately 1.3 billion people. Apple has yet to partner up with the country’s leading carrier, China Mobile; while Android-based smartphones are sold on virtually every carrier worldwide with new devices every month.
A 4.5" iPhone is needed to beat the competition. No one will by a small 3.5" screen that does not display enough.
Why is a 4.5" iPhone needed to beat the competition? Many people are purchasing the 3.5" iPhone 4S as this is the best selling smartphone on the market today. As indicated previously, Apple sold all three most popular smartphone models in the United States and the top two as well as the fifth most popular smartphone models in Europe for 2011.
Why is a 4.5" iPhone needed to beat the competition? Many people are purchasing the 3.5" iPhone 4S as this is the best selling smartphone on the market today. As indicated previously, Apple sold all three most popular smartphone models in the United States and the top two as well as the fifth most popular smartphone models in Europe for 2011.
I don't know, if Apple decides to stick with 3.5" will you buy a new one? A better question is do you think the current 3.5" is to small. I think so but I own a phone with a 5.3" display, it has completely ruined me for smaller displayed phones. The size is so useful that I'm leaving my normal tablet behind more and more and using my phone more, I even installed the tablet version of Android on it. Do you think surfing the internet is comfortable enough on a 3.5", have you ever not used the zoom feature to view a website.
Why is a 4.5" iPhone needed to beat the competition? Many people are purchasing the 3.5" iPhone 4S as this is the best selling smartphone on the market today.
Point remains, *sigh* I'm pretty sure it's going to get bigger and there's not a thing anyone can do about it.
Why is a 4.5" iPhone needed to beat the competition? Many people are purchasing the 3.5" iPhone 4S as this is the best selling smartphone on the market today. As indicated previously, Apple sold all three most popular smartphone models in the United States and the top two as well as the fifth most popular smartphone models in Europe for 2011.
Just because people buy it does not mean they necessary like the 3.5" design. I own two iPhone 4S' and I heavily desire a larger screen. 4.7" is probably overkill, but around 4" or slightly higher than that would be nice. Glancing at a few online polls pertaining to preferred screen size, a 3.5" screen usually garners about 2-5% of the votes.
1) it is not yet available on all carriers worldwide. It's leaving about 40% of its market on the table. ( i.e it could increase by 60%) 2) it does not really have a cheap phone. The 3GS will probably decline to about $250 off contract and still run iOS 6. They may introduce the same form factor with a newer chip. 3) the new design will sell like hot cakes.
I believe it will be longer but not wider. The point about the iPhone is you can use it with one hand and use a thumb. The over large android screens are a fad
iOS in total includes the iPhone shipments and the iPad and iPod touch, adding another 20 million to that ecosystem. I expect ios to overtake android later on this year.
iOS has always been ahead of Android in total sales, considering all iOS products, so there's nothing to "overtake". There is of course a possibility of falling behind but that wouldn't matter for anything other than bragging rights anyway..
Its just so hard to stand out now. Everyone has a phone with a screen on the front and things that move around on the screen. To the average consumer its not really about OS anymore. Its about
A) Price
Brand Recognition
Price, well android wins that one. Sure, you can get a free 3gs, but the fact that its the 'really old one' people would rather get a 'new' cheap android, even though the cheap android phones have sucky screens, processors, gpu's and experiences over all.
The brand recognition market right now is all about who can market their device better IMO. And in this regard Apple is light years ahead.
As part of Apple's marketing, Apple is making a case for more reasons than the two you listed:
C) Ease of use
D) Siri voice assistance
E) Retina display
F) the Apple Ecosystem
While Apple is not marketing their outstanding Customer Service, anyone who does a bit of research will read where independent companies rate Apple's customer service as the best. So, for those who buy on price only, they likely have very mild needs for a smartphone: make calls, take photos, and check Facebook.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
More people would rather get a 3GS than the most expensive, fastest, newest Android.
This reporrt says otherwise.
I would take a 3gs to a LG 500 but I will take a Galaxy S II to a 3gs any day. I think most consumers who plan on using the smart phone will. The 3gs is even compared to some low end androids not much to brag about. The Camera sucks and no flash which is what a lot of people are buying phones for now. Coupled with the limited storage available for the current 3gs 8gb compared to getting a low end android that has a 5mp camera with flash and 4gbs on the phone and you can buy a 16gb memory card on the side. The 3gs was a good phone but technology has moved beyond it.
On the US carriers that sell it the Samsung Galaxy S II is the number 1 or 2 phones in terms of sells. The iPhone 4s is the number one where it is number two. Are you telling me all those people got the GSII because there was no 3Gs in stock at the time?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
More people would rather get a 3GS than the most expensive, fastest, newest Android.
bahahahahahhah!!!
Are you friggin kidding me? Only as a between contract replacement!
I love me my Apple products but the only reason I'd take a free 3GS over the newest and fastest Android would be because I chose the Apple Ecosytem.
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Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
...The 3gs was a good phone but technology has moved beyond it.
True that; there was a smart and thoughtful review about the 3GS from one of the posters here, but I can't seem to find it any more...
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Originally Posted by sleepy3
Actually the 3gs is free whereas the newest androids are up to 200 dollars so i don't see how you......oh, you were making joke.
Brand new Android devices, if you take a gander at the papers, are often buy one get one free.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
This reporrt says otherwise.
Where does it say the top selling smartphones? I don't see that anywhere. Last I heard, the iPhone 4S, 4, and 3GS were still the top three. If there's new data to change that, I'd absolutely love to be corrected.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Additional comments from the IDC press release:
[...] "Still, Linux's fortunes are closely tied to Samsung's strategy, which already encompasses Android, Windows Phone, and later this year, Tizen."
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/android-and-ios-powered-smartphones-expand-their-share-of-the-market-in-the-first-quarter-according-to-idc-2012-05-24
There it is! The T-Word. Tizen.
It's the OS that the Android crowd will move to after they get sick and tired of Google's crap.
Tizen is actually open. It's standards-based. It's unencumbered by Microsoft (and other patent-holder) licensing fees.
And, if I'm not mistaken, it doesn't use Java. This implies that it might actually have decent performance.
Oh, and Intel and the Linux Foundation are backing it.
From the Wikipedia article on Tizen:
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In September 2011 Intel and the Linux Foundation announced that their efforts will shift from MeeGo to Tizen during 2011 and 2012.
Samsung is big enough to do either one of two things:
1. Fork Android so they can optimize it for their specific hardware, or
2. Replace Android with Tizen and an associated non-Google ecosystem.
And why would Samsung fork Android? Because soon the "main" Android release will, itself, be a fork.
Google can and will create a Motorola fork of Android. They need to. They just blew $12.5 billion on Motorola Mobility.
That's a heck of a lot of banner ads' worth of cold, hard cash that they need to make up. Somehow.
And monetizing the Motorola acquisition is how they'll do it. And that means that Motorola will need to have a better,
faster version of Android. Period.
And what would happen if Samsung dumped Android in favor of Tizen? Well, if Samsung management aren't the
bunch of squirrels that everyone thinks they are, they'll first build out a curated infrastructure. They'll jettison the
cesspool-like Android Market Google Play and build their own walled garden. Better for them. Better for their users.
Next, Samsung will take Tizen and make it over in their own image. I'm sure they'll call it "value add" or something.
It's like dogs pissing on trees to mark their territory. All the Android handset makers do it. Samsung won't be
able to resist the temptation with Tizen. It's part of their DNA. Warm-over the software to differentiate themselves.
This is what happens when you don't develop your own OS.
Samsung could make their Tizen implementation look a lot like, if not identical to, their Android implementation.
The users won't notice anything. Few of their bread-and-butter big-fat-middle-of-the-bell-curve users have any Android
apps anyway. And those who do have Android apps got them free anyway. Big deal. They'll get the free Tizen versions.
Most Android users walked into a store and said "My flip phone died. What do you have that's free?"
The clerk shows them a generic droid phone and says "Look. It plays Angry Birds."
The user says "Wow! Angry Birds!!!??? Where do I sign?"
This won't change if and when Samsung switches to Tizen.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
More people would rather get a 3GS than the most expensive, fastest, newest Android.
nonsense
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Brand new Android devices, if you take a gander at the papers, are often buy one get one free.
why buy one get one free, when you can get two 3gs's free, unless you...oh, you make joke
mr funny funny fman, mr funny you, you so funny. Your parents must be so proud of you, you so funny. You very very funny, i love your funny. hey, check out mr funny over here. i call you mr funny haha. I liek your joke. You and funny are like pea in pod. you and funny just together. I like you mr funny, you good man mr funny. mr funny haha. you very very funny. I LMAO when i read post from mr funny. good job mr funny, so so funny.
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Originally Posted by Negafox
Those statistics show Android heavily leading in market share. I would be more interested in seeing market share based around actual sales. Video game companies too often tout they shipped millions of copies (non-WoW MMOs are bad about this) but then when it comes down to which of those actually sold, it tends to be poor.
so you think there are 89.9 million android smart phones shipped to a warehouse? - if that was the case you would see a decline the next quarter - you do not have that much inventory of anything.
Videogames company is a perfect example - once initial software ships you see a spike but the next quarter it falls if not received well as distributors do not renew orders.
You do not keep getting millions shipped each quarter if it does not sell - that argument is illogical.
Android is at 68% in China... at this point "shipped not sold" is wishful thinking.
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Originally Posted by agramonte
nonsense
All right, could you show me the most recent list of top selling phones? Have things changed since I last read?
Is the iOS/Android disparity a shortcoming of Apple's distribution, or people actually picking Android phones over iPhones? In every service provider I've seen stats on which sell both the iPhone 4S and the latest Android phones, iOS is ahead of Android. But clearly there are a lot of Android sales SOMEwhere. Where are they coming from? Can the entire discrepancy be that China Mobile doesn't sell the iPhone? Or are these all pre-paid phones? Where are the providers that sell both but are seeing iPhones losing to Android 2.5-to-1??
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
More people would rather get a 3GS than the most expensive, fastest, newest Android.
Quote:
Originally Posted by bmason1270
bahahahahahhah!!!
Are you friggin kidding me? Only as a between contract replacement!
I love me my Apple products but the only reason I'd take a free 3GS over the newest and fastest Android would be because I chose the Apple Ecosytem.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Apple v. Samsung
This reporrt says otherwise.
I would take a 3gs to a LG 500 but I will take a Galaxy S II to a 3gs any day. I think most consumers who plan on using the smart phone will. The 3gs is even compared to some low end androids not much to brag about. The Camera sucks and no flash which is what a lot of people are buying phones for now. Coupled with the limited storage available for the current 3gs 8gb compared to getting a low end android that has a 5mp camera with flash and 4gbs on the phone and you can buy a 16gb memory card on the side. The 3gs was a good phone but technology has moved beyond it.
On the US carriers that sell it the Samsung Galaxy S II is the number 1 or 2 phones in terms of sells. The iPhone 4s is the number one where it is number two. Are you telling me all those people got the GSII because there was no 3Gs in stock at the time?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
All right, could you show me the most recent list of top selling phones? Have things changed since I last read?
In the interest of truth, the Samsung Galaxy SII is outselling the Apple iPhone 3GS. The iPhone 3GS was outselling every Android-based smartphone as recently as August 2011 although the iPhone 3GS was a two year old design at the time. The iPhone 4 was still a top three selling smartphone on AT&T and Sprint until February 2012 despite a 18 month old design at the time. In fact, the iPhone 4 was still a top three selling smartphone at Sprint as recently as the end of the last report in March. I can only imagine what happens if when the iPhone 4 becomes the $0.01 Apple smartphone.
I presume as far as Apple having the top three selling smartphones, the reference is this article on AppleInsider. Anyway the data is analyzed, Apple has three very popular smartphones. I don't see how this is anything but embarrassing for Google, HTC and Samsung.
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Originally Posted by gwlaw99
Apple is still leading in profits which what companies care about. If it wants to gain significantly more market share (and that may not be a desirable thing if it cuts into profits), it needs to offer different size phones (ie a 4" iPhone 5 and a 3.5" 4s which very well may happen) and offer an inexpensive 3GS in markets where phones are not subsidized.
A 4.5" iPhone is needed to beat the competition. No one will by a small 3.5" screen that does not display enough.
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Originally Posted by Booga
Is the iOS/Android disparity a shortcoming of Apple's distribution, or people actually picking Android phones over iPhones? In every service provider I've seen stats on which sell both the iPhone 4S and the latest Android phones, iOS is ahead of Android. But clearly there are a lot of Android sales SOMEwhere. Where are they coming from? Can the entire discrepancy be that China Mobile doesn't sell the iPhone? Or are these all pre-paid phones? Where are the providers that sell both but are seeing iPhones losing to Android 2.5-to-1??
Europe, Middle East and Asia. EMEA.
An interesting note is that these are markets where Android-based smartphone ODMs are well established; HTC (Taiwan), Huawei (China), LG (South Korea), Samsung (South Korea), ZTE (China). As I am sure you are well aware, the population of China is approximately 1.3 billion people. Apple has yet to partner up with the country’s leading carrier, China Mobile; while Android-based smartphones are sold on virtually every carrier worldwide with new devices every month.
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Originally Posted by peter236
A 4.5" iPhone is needed to beat the competition. No one will by a small 3.5" screen that does not display enough.
Why is a 4.5" iPhone needed to beat the competition? Many people are purchasing the 3.5" iPhone 4S as this is the best selling smartphone on the market today. As indicated previously, Apple sold all three most popular smartphone models in the United States and the top two as well as the fifth most popular smartphone models in Europe for 2011.
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Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
Why is a 4.5" iPhone needed to beat the competition? Many people are purchasing the 3.5" iPhone 4S as this is the best selling smartphone on the market today. As indicated previously, Apple sold all three most popular smartphone models in the United States and the top two as well as the fifth most popular smartphone models in Europe for 2011.
I don't know, if Apple decides to stick with 3.5" will you buy a new one? A better question is do you think the current 3.5" is to small. I think so but I own a phone with a 5.3" display, it has completely ruined me for smaller displayed phones. The size is so useful that I'm leaving my normal tablet behind more and more and using my phone more, I even installed the tablet version of Android on it. Do you think surfing the internet is comfortable enough on a 3.5", have you ever not used the zoom feature to view a website.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
Why is a 4.5" iPhone needed to beat the competition? Many people are purchasing the 3.5" iPhone 4S as this is the best selling smartphone on the market today.
Point remains, *sigh* I'm pretty sure it's going to get bigger and there's not a thing anyone can do about it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MacBook Pro
Why is a 4.5" iPhone needed to beat the competition? Many people are purchasing the 3.5" iPhone 4S as this is the best selling smartphone on the market today. As indicated previously, Apple sold all three most popular smartphone models in the United States and the top two as well as the fifth most popular smartphone models in Europe for 2011.
Just because people buy it does not mean they necessary like the 3.5" design. I own two iPhone 4S' and I heavily desire a larger screen. 4.7" is probably overkill, but around 4" or slightly higher than that would be nice. Glancing at a few online polls pertaining to preferred screen size, a 3.5" screen usually garners about 2-5% of the votes.
1) it is not yet available on all carriers worldwide. It's leaving about 40% of its market on the table. ( i.e it could increase by 60%)
2) it does not really have a cheap phone. The 3GS will probably decline to about $250 off contract and still run iOS 6. They may introduce the same form factor with a newer chip.
3) the new design will sell like hot cakes.
I believe it will be longer but not wider. The point about the iPhone is you can use it with one hand and use a thumb. The over large android screens are a fad
iOS in total includes the iPhone shipments and the iPad and iPod touch, adding another 20 million to that ecosystem. I expect ios to overtake android later on this year.
iOS has always been ahead of Android in total sales, considering all iOS products, so there's nothing to "overtake". There is of course a possibility of falling behind but that wouldn't matter for anything other than bragging rights anyway..
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Originally Posted by sleepy3
was just about to say this.
If BB10 fails, they are screwed.
Its just so hard to stand out now. Everyone has a phone with a screen on the front and things that move around on the screen. To the average consumer its not really about OS anymore. Its about
A) Price
Price, well android wins that one. Sure, you can get a free 3gs, but the fact that its the 'really old one' people would rather get a 'new' cheap android, even though the cheap android phones have sucky screens, processors, gpu's and experiences over all.
The brand recognition market right now is all about who can market their device better IMO. And in this regard Apple is light years ahead.
As part of Apple's marketing, Apple is making a case for more reasons than the two you listed:
C) Ease of use
D) Siri voice assistance
E) Retina display
F) the Apple Ecosystem
While Apple is not marketing their outstanding Customer Service, anyone who does a bit of research will read where independent companies rate Apple's customer service as the best. So, for those who buy on price only, they likely have very mild needs for a smartphone: make calls, take photos, and check Facebook.