Before Siri that capability was there but it was too inconvenient to use despite the ability to set up in under 30 seconds. That doesn't seem like a big deal but with Siri, as you know, you can do it while walking down a hallway, without looking up except to verify the request. For something that was already simple Siri has removed a barrier that makes it considerably more convenient.
A few avenues to look for. Will Apple add Siri's Dragon Dictation backend access to Mountain Lion? If so, will be to all machines running ML or just certain machines, like new Macs that have the EarSmart (or some other HW) tech in them? If the former have these machines been silently updated with the needed HW in for this service?
I'm not so sure Siri will come to ML if they haven't added it to the iPad (3). I'm only expecting the voice dictation for ML and that it will come to all Macs that can run ML.
Whilst there is substantial processing power over an iDevice in all Macs I don't think it's enough to properly run Apple's backend. Plus, we're not talking about all of Siri, just Dragon Dictation speech-to-text processing.
On top of that the EarSmart HW isn't needed as a 'PC' is likely to have the same interference as a smartphone. I can think of a dozen very valid scenarios where background noise would be an issue for a Mac in various situations but I don't think the need is the same so I'm guessing it likely won't have that HW even though I hope it does.
Good points!
However, I find that the new iPad (3) does an excellent job with Dragon dictation. in fact, I dictate most of my responses on the iPad now -- just like this one.
I find I get a lot fewer mistakes in typing and grammar than with manually typing a response.
Computers are more stable. Desktops in particular, but also laptops.
The iPhone get Siri because it's forced to have data everywhere. OS X could get Siri because it's assumed to have Internet everywhere, either as an immobile desktop or as a laptop opened at home, at work, or in between.
The iPad isn't guaranteed Internet access, but it's as mobile as the iPhone. People don't crack their MacBooks open in the middle of a store and try to balance and use it, but they would the iPad.
It's terrible, but until we can get full system-side processing, I think the iPad will be left high and dry. It could be full system-side on the Mac, full server-side on the iPhone… and nothing on the iPad.
I disagree! I think that the iPad will be a key participant in a home entertainment/monitor/control center -- along with the AppleTV. The iPad will participate, both as a remote controller, a monitor and as a personal TV. Siri will be key part of these uses.
Mobile does not [necessarily] need to mean "connected via cell phone" -- it can just as easily mean "connected to a local WiFi network".
I could careless about SERI. I would like to now why the hell I couldn't use my new iPad via he wall adapter when the batter has drained.
I took it back to the Apple store for a full refund on Lincoln Road on Miami Beach last month and the manager was more than willing to refund my credit card.
Apparently this is a very hush, hush snafu on Apple's part.
Or it's not the issue was user error, or at least misperception. Given that you can't spell Siri right when it's been repeated a dozen titles for you, I suspect user misperception.
You might want to adjust your tin foil if you believe Apple's trying to hush hush the 'fatal flaw' that a device designed to be portable won't run when the battery is dead and you are trying to drain that massive battery and run the power hungry display at the same time.
I would have delayed the release of Siri until it could run purely client side. It can still send logs and what not to Apple in order to aid with improving it, but this can be done in the background, when the device is not busy. Relying on the server for every single request is not an acceptable user experience.
Since you are so smart to know that it can be done, explain to us how to do do it. How to get a program capable of interpreting and responding to literally billions of possible request from several different languages and voice types into a device that has at most a GB of Ram, a 64 GB hard drive that needs to be 9/10th for user data etc.
Has someone used Siri on the ad clips? A page linked in this thread claimed it worked poorly.
I haven't tested it myself but the AI link to Gruber's post that links to it being done came up with even worse responses than trying to speak the gazpacho reminder yourself.
There could be a reason for that. Siri might be assuming that the input is the full analog waveform that it then strips and compresses to send to their servers but we're talking about an already losslessly compressed audio file, right? Doesn't that add a complication to their system trying to process it correctly?
Are you insinuating that a phone with a brand new processor, brand new graphics, brand new cellular telephony, brand new microphone hardware, and brand new antennas has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to offer but STT/TTS software?
Well, it seems it is all Apple thinks is important in its advertising....
He d have really lost his mind over os x lion, of course no one dare say this because they will be ex communicated from current apple forever... I can't fathom how Steve would have let such an embarassing release like lion slide without quite a few heads rolling. Sadly Steve is no longer with us, and the same people who messed up os x to begin with, in more ways than one, are responsible for mountain lion. Rip OS X.
I can't fathom how Steve would have let such an embarrassing release like lion slide without quite a few heads rolling.
Well, he did. So you're obviously wrong.
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Sadly Steve is no longer with us, and the same people who messed up os x to begin with, in more ways than one, are responsible for mountain lion. Rip OS X.
There's a Safari extension that changes the phrase "Justin Bieber" into something else entirely, but there's no extension for changing blatant lies and trolling remarks into other text.
It really is the "Newton" of voice recognition systems. The fact that SJ was involved in the purchase, which fact people are waving in the air and declaring victory, means ab so lute ly nothing. He bought lots of stuff. Didn't release most of it. Siri would definitely have been pulled, period. I mean, what are you, stupid to think otherwise? You think he would have stopped being a perfectionist?
It really is the "Newton" of voice recognition systems. The fact that SJ was involved in the purchase, which fact people are waving in the air and declaring victory, means ab so lute ly nothing. He bought lots of stuff. Didn't release most of it. Siri would definitely have been pulled, period. I mean, what are you, stupid to think otherwise? You think he would have stopped being a perfectionist?
It really is the "Newton" of voice recognition systems. The fact that SJ was involved in the purchase, which fact people are waving in the air and declaring victory, means ab so lute ly nothing. He bought lots of stuff. Didn't release most of it. Siri would definitely have been pulled, period. I mean, what are you, stupid to think otherwise? You think he would have stopped being a perfectionist?
Siri would definitely have been pulled, period. I mean, what are you, stupid to think otherwise?
You cannot possibly know what Steve Jobs would or would not have done, as you are not only not him, you are not related to him, did not work with him, and have never come into contact with him. I mean, what are you, saying that you have?
We have, however, a biography that shows he was around and did test Siri in a near-final pre-release state. From this we can infer (though not know) that he greenlit Siri for inclusion on the iPhone 4S.
You cannot possibly know what Steve Jobs would or would not have done, as you are not only not him, you are not related to him, did not work with him, and have never come into contact with him. I mean, what are you, saying that you have?
We have, however, a biography that shows he was around and did test Siri in a near-final pre-release state. From this we can infer (though not know) that he greenlit Siri for inclusion on the iPhone 4S.
Go easy on @Charles Smith... He's suffering from blossom-end wilt.
Go easy on @Charles Smith... He's suffering from blossom-end wilt.
What about you, Dick? You met the guy. Would Steve have greenlit Siri as-is? Granted, it was yet-to-be-humbled, pre-return Steve you met… :broken_wink_emoticon.gif: :broken_sad_emoticon_in_response_to_wink_emoticon_being_broken.gif:
What about you, Dick? You met the guy. Would Steve have greenlit Siri as-is? Granted, it was yet-to-be-humbled, pre-return Steve you met… :broken_wink_emoticon.gif: :broken_sad_emoticon_in_response_to_wink_emoticon_being_broken.gif:
I think that Steve would have done it exactly thiis way. Siri is a technology that needs exposure and usage to get smarter and more proficient. Right now the hardware can adequately support the software...
If you delay Siri 5 years, then it will still be where it is today -- instead of much more capable and able to have driven hardware development...
To make an automobile, you must take a risk and get rid of the horse.
Some things are worth doing badly (or averagely)... In order to position them for improvement and ultimate success.
The first telephones and electric lights were no great shakes... But they were a beginning!
Steve was savvy enough to understand this and invest in the possibilities.
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Originally Posted by DrDoppio
That's not a very nice thing to say, and is incorrect as far as I have witnessed... but then again, there's this:
Yeah takes one to know one.
Good points!
However, I find that the new iPad (3) does an excellent job with Dragon dictation. in fact, I dictate most of my responses on the iPad now -- just like this one.
I find I get a lot fewer mistakes in typing and grammar than with manually typing a response.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Computers are more stable. Desktops in particular, but also laptops.
The iPhone get Siri because it's forced to have data everywhere. OS X could get Siri because it's assumed to have Internet everywhere, either as an immobile desktop or as a laptop opened at home, at work, or in between.
The iPad isn't guaranteed Internet access, but it's as mobile as the iPhone. People don't crack their MacBooks open in the middle of a store and try to balance and use it, but they would the iPad.
It's terrible, but until we can get full system-side processing, I think the iPad will be left high and dry. It could be full system-side on the Mac, full server-side on the iPhone… and nothing on the iPad.
I disagree! I think that the iPad will be a key participant in a home entertainment/monitor/control center -- along with the AppleTV. The iPad will participate, both as a remote controller, a monitor and as a personal TV. Siri will be key part of these uses.
Mobile does not [necessarily] need to mean "connected via cell phone" -- it can just as easily mean "connected to a local WiFi network".
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Originally Posted by maccherry
I could careless about SERI. I would like to now why the hell I couldn't use my new iPad via he wall adapter when the batter has drained.
I took it back to the Apple store for a full refund on Lincoln Road on Miami Beach last month and the manager was more than willing to refund my credit card.
Apparently this is a very hush, hush snafu on Apple's part.
Or it's not the issue was user error, or at least misperception. Given that you can't spell Siri right when it's been repeated a dozen titles for you, I suspect user misperception.
You might want to adjust your tin foil if you believe Apple's trying to hush hush the 'fatal flaw' that a device designed to be portable won't run when the battery is dead and you are trying to drain that massive battery and run the power hungry display at the same time.
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Originally Posted by ascii
I would have delayed the release of Siri until it could run purely client side. It can still send logs and what not to Apple in order to aid with improving it, but this can be done in the background, when the device is not busy. Relying on the server for every single request is not an acceptable user experience.
Since you are so smart to know that it can be done, explain to us how to do do it. How to get a program capable of interpreting and responding to literally billions of possible request from several different languages and voice types into a device that has at most a GB of Ram, a 64 GB hard drive that needs to be 9/10th for user data etc.
Has someone used Siri on the ad clips? A page linked in this thread claimed it worked poorly.
I haven't tested it myself but the AI link to Gruber's post that links to it being done came up with even worse responses than trying to speak the gazpacho reminder yourself.
There could be a reason for that. Siri might be assuming that the input is the full analog waveform that it then strips and compresses to send to their servers but we're talking about an already losslessly compressed audio file, right? Doesn't that add a complication to their system trying to process it correctly?
Well, it seems it is all Apple thinks is important in its advertising....
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Originally Posted by ani4ani
Well, it seems it is all Apple thinks is important in its advertising....
That didn't answer my question.
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Originally Posted by Nsk122684
I was able to get Siri to hear "remind me to put the gazpacho on ice in an hour" after the third attempt.
That's because you're not MACE WINDU.
He d have really lost his mind over os x lion, of course no one dare say this because they will be ex communicated from current apple forever... I can't fathom how Steve would have let such an embarassing release like lion slide without quite a few heads rolling. Sadly Steve is no longer with us, and the same people who messed up os x to begin with, in more ways than one, are responsible for mountain lion. Rip OS X.
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Originally Posted by myapplelove
I can't fathom how Steve would have let such an embarrassing release like lion slide without quite a few heads rolling.
Well, he did. So you're obviously wrong.
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Sadly Steve is no longer with us, and the same people who messed up os x to begin with, in more ways than one, are responsible for mountain lion. Rip OS X.
There's a Safari extension that changes the phrase "Justin Bieber" into something else entirely, but there's no extension for changing blatant lies and trolling remarks into other text.
Does that seem right to you?
It really is the "Newton" of voice recognition systems. The fact that SJ was involved in the purchase, which fact people are waving in the air and declaring victory, means ab so lute ly nothing. He bought lots of stuff. Didn't release most of it. Siri would definitely have been pulled, period. I mean, what are you, stupid to think otherwise? You think he would have stopped being a perfectionist?
It really is the "Newton" of voice recognition systems. The fact that SJ was involved in the purchase, which fact people are waving in the air and declaring victory, means ab so lute ly nothing. He bought lots of stuff. Didn't release most of it. Siri would definitely have been pulled, period. I mean, what are you, stupid to think otherwise? You think he would have stopped being a perfectionist?
It really is the "Newton" of voice recognition systems. The fact that SJ was involved in the purchase, which fact people are waving in the air and declaring victory, means ab so lute ly nothing. He bought lots of stuff. Didn't release most of it. Siri would definitely have been pulled, period. I mean, what are you, stupid to think otherwise? You think he would have stopped being a perfectionist?
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Originally Posted by Charles Smith
Siri would definitely have been pulled, period. I mean, what are you, stupid to think otherwise?
You cannot possibly know what Steve Jobs would or would not have done, as you are not only not him, you are not related to him, did not work with him, and have never come into contact with him. I mean, what are you, saying that you have?
We have, however, a biography that shows he was around and did test Siri in a near-final pre-release state. From this we can infer (though not know) that he greenlit Siri for inclusion on the iPhone 4S.
Go easy on @Charles Smith... He's suffering from blossom-end wilt.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
Go easy on @Charles Smith... He's suffering from blossom-end wilt.
What about you, Dick? You met the guy. Would Steve have greenlit Siri as-is? Granted, it was yet-to-be-humbled, pre-return Steve you met…
I think that Steve would have done it exactly thiis way. Siri is a technology that needs exposure and usage to get smarter and more proficient. Right now the hardware can adequately support the software...
If you delay Siri 5 years, then it will still be where it is today -- instead of much more capable and able to have driven hardware development...
To make an automobile, you must take a risk and get rid of the horse.
Some things are worth doing badly (or averagely)... In order to position them for improvement and ultimate success.
The first telephones and electric lights were no great shakes... But they were a beginning!
Steve was savvy enough to understand this and invest in the possibilities.
A great post, as always.
And there's plenty of evidence that "doing things averagely" has worked for Apple in the past. Take a gander at the G4 Cube and Mac Mini, for one.