Option 2 looks SWEET! Would love to have some 16:9 sweetness on the go.
1) I think you'll get your wish.
2) The issue I have with the mockup is the Home Button being smaller (which wouldn't be an issue if it was elongated), and the centering of the display when the mechanics of our hand would make it better for the display to be off center in portrait mode with the display pushed higher, but I have a hard time seeing Apple not being symmetrical.
It sure read like you excluded that possibility when you wrote, "So they've increased the screen size from 3.5" to 4", but are retaining exactly the same PPI? I call BS." and "3. Increase the screen size to 4" and increase the screen resolution. In order to retain the 326 PPI, they would have to choose some strange resolution like 1054x702."
If they use 1146x640 you get 326 PPI. You also get no change to the phone's width and since most scrolling occurs in portrait mode Apple likely has a relatively easy time in creating APIs and an SDK that can deal with showing more what needs to be scrolled. Apple also gets the opportunity to hold its cards close to its vest before it announces and demos the 6th gen iPhone in September without having to prep developers many months in advance which would be the case for any change in non-scaling pixel size.
On top of all that the issue with a larger display comes from the width more than the height (where they also have more room to play) is an issue for consumers. They also only have to cut the sheets with a different aspect ratio to get them to work. It's only a single pixel off (1136x639) being exactly 16:9 aspect ratio. It all seems to fit very well.
It sure read like you excluded that possibility when you wrote, "So they've increased the screen size from 3.5" to 4", but are retaining exactly the same PPI? I call BS." and "3. Increase the screen size to 4" and increase the screen resolution. In order to retain the 326 PPI, they would have to choose some strange resolution like 1054x702."
If they use 1146x640 you get 326 PPI. You also get no change to the phone's width and since most scrolling occurs in portrait mode Apple likely has a relatively easy time in creating APIs and an SDK that can deal with showing more what needs to be scrolled. Apple also gets the opportunity to hold its cards close to its vest before it announces and demos the 6th gen iPhone in September without having to prep developers many months in advance which would be the case for any change in non-scaling pixel size.
On top of all that the issue with a larger display comes from the width more than the height (where they also have more room to play) is an issue for consumers. They also only have to cut the sheets with a different aspect ratio to get them to work. It's only a single pixel off (1136x639) being exactly 16:9 aspect ratio. It all seems to fit very well.
Your preferred Aspect Ratio change creates many problems, the biggest of which is landscape mode. When you turn the phone sideways the screen fills the width by scaling the size of everything to fit. With the Aspect Ratio changed you then see much less of a page in landscape, yes it will be larger but because it is larger less of a page shows. So they would either have to box in Landscape or you would see less of a page. And what happens when the keyboard pops up in landscape and scales out to the full width of the screen, you then have only a small amount of the page left above the keyboard.
With an Aspect Ratio change Developers would need a lot more advance notice to make their Apps look good, it would change everything for many Apps. With just an enlargement of the screen keeping the same aspect ratio and resolution, there would be no need for any changes to Apps. All you would have is less DPI which they could explain away with little problem.
iOS 6 will give us hints which way they will be going. If Aspect Ratio changes are not addressed in iOS 6 then all of these parts are either prototypes or fakes. We will see in a couple of weeks when they preview iOS 6.
That puts Apple and its next iPhone in a position to take up as much as 70 percent of the output of LTPS panels in 2012 and 2013, tech supply chain sources reportedly said. That situation could put smartphone makers other than Apple in a difficult position for components.
Bingo. That's one reason why Apple can maintain 40+% margins. By making the biggest component orders and getting the lowest per-unit price.
You pay your money, you take your pick, and everyone else is forced to outbid each other for the remainder.
Your preferred Aspect Ratio change creates many problems, the biggest of which is landscape mode. When you turn the phone sideways the screen fills the width by scaling the size of everything to fit. With the Aspect Ratio changed you then see much less of a page in landscape, yes it will be larger but because it is larger less of a page shows. So they would either have to box in Landscape or you would see less of a page. And what happens when the keyboard pops up in landscape and scales out to the full width of the screen, you then have only a small amount of the page left above the keyboard.
With an Aspect Ratio change Developers would need a lot more advance notice to make their Apps look good, it would change everything for many Apps. With just an enlargement of the screen keeping the same aspect ratio and resolution, there would be no need for any changes to Apps. iOS 6 will give us hints which way they will be going. If Aspect Ratio changes is not addressed in iOS 6 then all of these parts are either prototypes or fakes. We will see in a couple of weeks when they preview iOS 6.
That makes no sense. There is still a pixel-to-pixel correlation so the keyboard would not be taking up any more of the pixel space above where the keyboard. You're talking about scaling everything up because the display is larger but you're ignoring the exact same pixel sizes between the differing display sizes. What you get is a more space for the keyboard in the landscape mode on the sides for larger buttons and/or more buttons, while also getting more space above the keyboard for the content window. It's a larger display.
Won't other vendors use different types of displays that will be in abundance? What makes these people think that everyone will want to use LTPS panels? Maybe they'll use less expensive panels.
Because everyone copies what apple does and uses, nobody has original ideas, if apple used a potato as a screen, everyone would just copy it, apple invented the rectangle....etc.
On another note. Good to see apple FINALLY realizing that 3.5" is just too darn small these days. it was fine in 2007, but now, with so much rich media, videos, ability to see full websites, productivity apps, etc, 3.5" is downright restrictive. Gonna get burned at the stake for saying it but......android showed the way with bigger screens and it seems apple have finally fallen in line.
*ducks shoe being thrown*
Don't worry about it; no one here will take you serious after the ignorant rectangle remark.
Why not include more pixels and have existing apps occupy the exact same space and resolution they currently do, rather than majorly distorting the image of thousands of apps? You'd really prefer that over some black bars, not to mention the fact that there would be no potential to increase real estate for new generation apps?
I'm gonna go on record and say that I figure it's going to move to 4".
And I hate that. Is 3.5" on the small end these days? Sure. Is it too small? Only an idiot would say that.
I don't like the idea of a 4" phone, regardless of its manufacturer. I've seen 4" phones, and they're all terrible. There's a reason landline phones haven't grown into foot-long rulers or leviathan black bananas. They're as big as they need to be to serve their function.
When size gets in the way of use-moreover, when size necessitates three different holding positions to actually use the device as intended-it's the wrong size.
I can't believe you said that anyone that thinks a 3.5" screen is too small is an idiot. I understand why some people are content and prefer a 3.5" screen, and even though I disagree and secretly think they are idiots, it is quite another thing to say it out loud. What do you care what Apple does with their next iPhone anyways since you are still using the 1st generation iPhone and have no plans to upgrade because you don't want to pay for a data plan? 9to5mac did a poll with over 100,000 votes and only about 10% wanted to keep the iPhone at 3.5". 90% out of more than 100,000 people polled wanted a larger screen. Are they all idiots?
Here is a quote from a recent poll. "That is the implication of a new study by Strategy Analytics, which found that 90 percent of American and British smartphone owners want a screen size larger than the one on the smartphone they currently own, with 4-to-4.5-inch smartphones being the most popular ideal size. Survey takers were offered prototype smartphones of varying display size and thickness and asked to choose which they preferred: Thin devices with displays between 4-inches and 4.5-inches came out on top in the survey."
As soon as Apple releases a larger display all you 3.5" apologist will think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. 3.5" just has too many compromises in terms of having to zoom too often, too small to see for GPS in car, small keyboard for typing and so many other problems easily solved by a larger screen. The iPhone 4S has sold well DESPITE the small screen not because of it. I am not the only 4S owner that wants a larger screen. I probably use my phone as much in horizontal mode as I do in vertical if not more. In horizontal you tend to use both hands anyways. As far as the one hand and a thumb to reach entire screen argument, why couldn't Apple just allow Siri to open apps or navigate the GUI? Problem solved. Most apps you use frequently are already going to be available by double tapping the home button in any case. Apple will surely have an elegant solution in place to address your concerns.
Please show me one recent poll where people prefer a 3.5" display. I have owned and used an iPhone, a 4.3" Evo, and a 4.65" Samsung and by far I prefer the larger screens to the 3.5". I will give Apple props for clarity, PPI, and brightness though, but if you have seen a HTC One X in person you could argue that it has the best screen bar none at the moment. Apple is not deaf or stupid and they will release at least a 4". Then in about 3 more years it will grow again to maybe 4.3 to 4.5" and you will be making the same arguments that 4" is the perfect size and anyone that thinks differently is an idiot.
I can't believe you said that anyone that thinks a 3.5" screen is too small is an idiot. I understand why some people are content and prefer a 3.5" screen, and even though I disagree and secretly think they are idiots, it is quite another thing to say it out loud. 9to5mac did a poll with over 100,000 votes and only about 10% wanted to keep the iPhone at 3.5". 90% out of more than 100,000 people polled wanted a larger screen. Are they all idiots?
Wanting a larger screen ? "a smaller screen is unusable".
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As soon as Apple releases a larger display all you 3.5" apologist will think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
It's hilarious, the things people think they can tell me about myself.
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As far as the one hand and a thumb to reach entire screen argument, why couldn't Apple just allow Siri to open apps or navigate the GUI? Problem solved.
Who says they won't? I expect a Siri API in iOS 6. But this is in no way an actual solution.
I never said a 3.5" screen is unusable. If I did I wouldn't have bought my 4S. A 2.5" screen and a 5" screen are also usable, I just find that 4.3" is the sweet spot for usability though even a 4" iPhone wold be better than nothing.
i will concede one point, the current screen might make it easier to access apps in the far upper right or left corner with your thumb in one handed use, but once you open and view the app, a larger screen makes actually using that app a far more pleasant experience. I think most people spend a hell of a lot more time using apps than opening them with their thumb. And again, most apps I open are done with tapping the home button twice and viewing recently used apps so that would be equally accessible even on a 5" screen with my thumb. I doubt I am alone.
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1) I think you'll get your wish.
2) The issue I have with the mockup is the Home Button being smaller (which wouldn't be an issue if it was elongated), and the centering of the display when the mechanics of our hand would make it better for the display to be off center in portrait mode with the display pushed higher, but I have a hard time seeing Apple not being symmetrical.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
It sure read like you excluded that possibility when you wrote, "So they've increased the screen size from 3.5" to 4", but are retaining exactly the same PPI? I call BS." and "3. Increase the screen size to 4" and increase the screen resolution. In order to retain the 326 PPI, they would have to choose some strange resolution like 1054x702."
If they use 1146x640 you get 326 PPI. You also get no change to the phone's width and since most scrolling occurs in portrait mode Apple likely has a relatively easy time in creating APIs and an SDK that can deal with showing more what needs to be scrolled. Apple also gets the opportunity to hold its cards close to its vest before it announces and demos the 6th gen iPhone in September without having to prep developers many months in advance which would be the case for any change in non-scaling pixel size.
On top of all that the issue with a larger display comes from the width more than the height (where they also have more room to play) is an issue for consumers. They also only have to cut the sheets with a different aspect ratio to get them to work. It's only a single pixel off (1136x639) being exactly 16:9 aspect ratio. It all seems to fit very well.
What do you mean by "cut the sheets"?
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
It sure read like you excluded that possibility when you wrote, "So they've increased the screen size from 3.5" to 4", but are retaining exactly the same PPI? I call BS." and "3. Increase the screen size to 4" and increase the screen resolution. In order to retain the 326 PPI, they would have to choose some strange resolution like 1054x702."
If they use 1146x640 you get 326 PPI. You also get no change to the phone's width and since most scrolling occurs in portrait mode Apple likely has a relatively easy time in creating APIs and an SDK that can deal with showing more what needs to be scrolled. Apple also gets the opportunity to hold its cards close to its vest before it announces and demos the 6th gen iPhone in September without having to prep developers many months in advance which would be the case for any change in non-scaling pixel size.
On top of all that the issue with a larger display comes from the width more than the height (where they also have more room to play) is an issue for consumers. They also only have to cut the sheets with a different aspect ratio to get them to work. It's only a single pixel off (1136x639) being exactly 16:9 aspect ratio. It all seems to fit very well.
Your preferred Aspect Ratio change creates many problems, the biggest of which is landscape mode. When you turn the phone sideways the screen fills the width by scaling the size of everything to fit. With the Aspect Ratio changed you then see much less of a page in landscape, yes it will be larger but because it is larger less of a page shows. So they would either have to box in Landscape or you would see less of a page. And what happens when the keyboard pops up in landscape and scales out to the full width of the screen, you then have only a small amount of the page left above the keyboard.
With an Aspect Ratio change Developers would need a lot more advance notice to make their Apps look good, it would change everything for many Apps. With just an enlargement of the screen keeping the same aspect ratio and resolution, there would be no need for any changes to Apps. All you would have is less DPI which they could explain away with little problem.
iOS 6 will give us hints which way they will be going. If Aspect Ratio changes are not addressed in iOS 6 then all of these parts are either prototypes or fakes. We will see in a couple of weeks when they preview iOS 6.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
That puts Apple and its next iPhone in a position to take up as much as 70 percent of the output of LTPS panels in 2012 and 2013, tech supply chain sources reportedly said. That situation could put smartphone makers other than Apple in a difficult position for components.
Bingo. That's one reason why Apple can maintain 40+% margins. By making the biggest component orders and getting the lowest per-unit price.
You pay your money, you take your pick, and everyone else is forced to outbid each other for the remainder.
I'm hoping that Apple will simply redefine "Retina" and stretch the existing 960x640 resolution out to the edges of the "new iPhone."
Existing apps wouldn't need to change at all. Even apps written for the original iPhone 2G would still work unchanged (???).
That makes no sense. There is still a pixel-to-pixel correlation so the keyboard would not be taking up any more of the pixel space above where the keyboard. You're talking about scaling everything up because the display is larger but you're ignoring the exact same pixel sizes between the differing display sizes. What you get is a more space for the keyboard in the landscape mode on the sides for larger buttons and/or more buttons, while also getting more space above the keyboard for the content window. It's a larger display.
Or Super Duper Duper AMOLED...
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Originally Posted by sleepy3
Because everyone copies what apple does and uses, nobody has original ideas, if apple used a potato as a screen, everyone would just copy it, apple invented the rectangle....etc.
On another note. Good to see apple FINALLY realizing that 3.5" is just too darn small these days. it was fine in 2007, but now, with so much rich media, videos, ability to see full websites, productivity apps, etc, 3.5" is downright restrictive. Gonna get burned at the stake for saying it but......android showed the way with bigger screens and it seems apple have finally fallen in line.
*ducks shoe being thrown*
Don't worry about it; no one here will take you serious after the ignorant rectangle remark.
Why not include more pixels and have existing apps occupy the exact same space and resolution they currently do, rather than majorly distorting the image of thousands of apps? You'd really prefer that over some black bars, not to mention the fact that there would be no potential to increase real estate for new generation apps?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I'm gonna go on record and say that I figure it's going to move to 4".
And I hate that. Is 3.5" on the small end these days? Sure. Is it too small? Only an idiot would say that.
I don't like the idea of a 4" phone, regardless of its manufacturer. I've seen 4" phones, and they're all terrible. There's a reason landline phones haven't grown into foot-long rulers or leviathan black bananas. They're as big as they need to be to serve their function.
When size gets in the way of use-moreover, when size necessitates three different holding positions to actually use the device as intended-it's the wrong size.
I can't believe you said that anyone that thinks a 3.5" screen is too small is an idiot. I understand why some people are content and prefer a 3.5" screen, and even though I disagree and secretly think they are idiots, it is quite another thing to say it out loud. What do you care what Apple does with their next iPhone anyways since you are still using the 1st generation iPhone and have no plans to upgrade because you don't want to pay for a data plan? 9to5mac did a poll with over 100,000 votes and only about 10% wanted to keep the iPhone at 3.5". 90% out of more than 100,000 people polled wanted a larger screen. Are they all idiots?
Here is a quote from a recent poll. "That is the implication of a new study by Strategy Analytics, which found that 90 percent of American and British smartphone owners want a screen size larger than the one on the smartphone they currently own, with 4-to-4.5-inch smartphones being the most popular ideal size. Survey takers were offered prototype smartphones of varying display size and thickness and asked to choose which they preferred: Thin devices with displays between 4-inches and 4.5-inches came out on top in the survey."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/15/smartphone-screen-size-users-want-4-inchers_n_1347619.html
As soon as Apple releases a larger display all you 3.5" apologist will think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. 3.5" just has too many compromises in terms of having to zoom too often, too small to see for GPS in car, small keyboard for typing and so many other problems easily solved by a larger screen. The iPhone 4S has sold well DESPITE the small screen not because of it. I am not the only 4S owner that wants a larger screen. I probably use my phone as much in horizontal mode as I do in vertical if not more. In horizontal you tend to use both hands anyways. As far as the one hand and a thumb to reach entire screen argument, why couldn't Apple just allow Siri to open apps or navigate the GUI? Problem solved. Most apps you use frequently are already going to be available by double tapping the home button in any case. Apple will surely have an elegant solution in place to address your concerns.
Please show me one recent poll where people prefer a 3.5" display. I have owned and used an iPhone, a 4.3" Evo, and a 4.65" Samsung and by far I prefer the larger screens to the 3.5". I will give Apple props for clarity, PPI, and brightness though, but if you have seen a HTC One X in person you could argue that it has the best screen bar none at the moment. Apple is not deaf or stupid and they will release at least a 4". Then in about 3 more years it will grow again to maybe 4.3 to 4.5" and you will be making the same arguments that 4" is the perfect size and anyone that thinks differently is an idiot.
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Originally Posted by gwmac
I can't believe you said that anyone that thinks a 3.5" screen is too small is an idiot. I understand why some people are content and prefer a 3.5" screen, and even though I disagree and secretly think they are idiots, it is quite another thing to say it out loud. 9to5mac did a poll with over 100,000 votes and only about 10% wanted to keep the iPhone at 3.5". 90% out of more than 100,000 people polled wanted a larger screen. Are they all idiots?
Wanting a larger screen ? "a smaller screen is unusable".
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As soon as Apple releases a larger display all you 3.5" apologist will think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
It's hilarious, the things people think they can tell me about myself.
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As far as the one hand and a thumb to reach entire screen argument, why couldn't Apple just allow Siri to open apps or navigate the GUI? Problem solved.
Who says they won't? I expect a Siri API in iOS 6. But this is in no way an actual solution.
I never said a 3.5" screen is unusable. If I did I wouldn't have bought my 4S. A 2.5" screen and a 5" screen are also usable, I just find that 4.3" is the sweet spot for usability though even a 4" iPhone wold be better than nothing.
i will concede one point, the current screen might make it easier to access apps in the far upper right or left corner with your thumb in one handed use, but once you open and view the app, a larger screen makes actually using that app a far more pleasant experience. I think most people spend a hell of a lot more time using apps than opening them with their thumb. And again, most apps I open are done with tapping the home button twice and viewing recently used apps so that would be equally accessible even on a 5" screen with my thumb. I doubt I am alone.