They are angry because they saw the specs on the new MacBook Pros they are assembling and are mad at Apple.
How do you say "Steve would have never let this happen" in Chinese?
Apple needs to move all production to union run factories in the United States that are 100% green and sell all its products at below cost so the press and all the watchdog groups will love them. And they should take all those obscene profits and pay off every student loan and if there is anything left it should go to increase the salaries and benefits of our politicians.
And they should re-open Michael Jackson's Neverland amusement park and make it free for everyone to visit.
Riots and demonstrations are common things in China.
It happens sometime in our company in Shanghai with a workforce of 250 persons. So with factory of thousands of employees, this is normal thing to happen.
Why it happens, because this is the way people express themselves here in China since they don't have unions.
the USA had similar problems when it was developing. unfair wages, harsh treatment. thats why the unions were formed. sad that the Chinese are repeating the same thing rather than reviewing history and anticipating what workers will/would need and could tolerate.
Apple could care less about these people. They put on a facade they care. No way in hell. They care about what they gain in profits and what takeover they can obtain with other companies who are at risk.Very selfish and weird company to be employed in.
Just like HP, Dell, Nike and all those other companies "care" about what happens in their factories. Are you kidding me dude. I haven't heard any of those companies try to work with Foxconn to improve working conditions (Apple has) or have Foxcoon independently audited (Apple has), help to pay for the boost in salary (Apple has).
Since I doubt every product you own is made in America, your a hypocrite who needs to step off their pedestal.
"This is obviously Apple's fault. They should have given everyone $7.25 an hour and houses for each individual on a plot of land no smaller than an acre. All workers should have had a 35 hour work week.
This wouldn't have happened if Apple had listened to us protest their working conditions."
I have no idea what the cause is but I did say when their hours were reduced that having so many young people in a small area with considerably more idle time (...)
Yeah, youth and idle time is probably the cause of this :roll eyes:
When the article states that "Despite the lies and exaggerations, Apple joined..." they indicate that this article is either being cut-and-pasted from a pro-Foxconn source or is being written by a shill.
No reputable journalist would ever use that language. Using the word "lie" opens him or her up to all kinds of litigation, and states guilt without any due process.
I'm not defending what the journalist in question did. That was wrong and even the journalist has acknowledged that. I'm suggesting that by looking at the language in the story, one can easily see that it is coming from someplace with an agenda and shouldn't be trusted.
When the article states that "Despite the lies and exaggerations, Apple joined…" they indicate that this article is either being cut-and-pasted from a pro-Foxconn source or is being written by a shill. No reputable journalist would ever use that language. Using the word "lie" opens him or her up to all kinds of litigation, and states guilt without any due process.
People lie about Apple being a member of the FLA, the article acknowledges this. I don't really see a problem.
They are angry because they saw the specs on the new MacBook Pros they are assembling and are mad at Apple.
How do you say "Steve would have never let this happen" in Chinese?
Apple needs to move all production to union run factories in the United States that are 100% green and sell all its products at below cost so the press and all the watchdog groups will love them. And they should take all those obscene profits and pay off every student loan and if there is anything left it should go to increase the salaries and benefits of our politicians.
And they should re-open Michael Jackson's Neverland amusement park and make it free for everyone to visit.
What is China going to do when all of it's workers (slave laborers) get tired of working for nothing and revolt? More importantly, what will the US do when this happens?
>The claims of horrifying working conditions and abysmal wages made in Daisey's tale were ultimately proved false,
Not true! What were proved false were Daisey's claims to have personally witnessed some of the abuses he described. No one has proved - and no informed source has even claimed - that the problems he described weren't real.
Not true! What were proved false were Daisey's claims to have personally witnessed some of the abuses he described. No one has proved - and no informed source has even claimed - that the problems he described weren't real.
So there is no evidence of what he claimed as fact wasn't happening and you say that means he could have accidentally factual because there is no way to prove otherwise? Can you guess what fallacious argument that is?
For those stil reading the thread note that the latest reports out of Chengdu indicate that the initial reports put out by a human rights group were grossly exaggerated. Apparently the whole matter began with a petty dispute at a restaurant near the factory and involved around 100 workers at its height. Only 4 guys were detained overnight for disorderly conduct and released the next morning. No one was injured and nothing to do with worker grievances. Shame on the media for reporting rumors, with no verifiable sources, as fact. Of course there will be no retraction and the the "1000 rioters, 100s arrested" myth will be repeated for years to come.
Rioting is usually a good sign. Revolutions are usually preceded by a period of improving conditions. Before a period of positive change, oppressed people see no hope for any change and therefore see no use in protesting. Once they see a light at the end of the tunnel, they are spurred to action. You might think of it impatience that is empowered by new hope. Look at it this way - if someone has their foot on my throat for an extended period of time, I'm not struggling, I only fight back when the stranglehold loosens.
What is China going to do when all of it's workers (slave laborers) get tired of working for nothing and revolt? More importantly, what will the US do when this happens?
why are they slaver laborers? - especially when there have been numerous wage increases and improvement working conditions in recent years.
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They are angry because they saw the specs on the new MacBook Pros they are assembling and are mad at Apple.
How do you say "Steve would have never let this happen" in Chinese?
Apple needs to move all production to union run factories in the United States that are 100% green and sell all its products at below cost so the press and all the watchdog groups will love them. And they should take all those obscene profits and pay off every student loan and if there is anything left it should go to increase the salaries and benefits of our politicians.
And they should re-open Michael Jackson's Neverland amusement park and make it free for everyone to visit.
What was the thief stealing and did the thief get away?
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Originally Posted by Palex19
Riots and demonstrations are common things in China.
It happens sometime in our company in Shanghai with a workforce of 250 persons. So with factory of thousands of employees, this is normal thing to happen.
Why it happens, because this is the way people express themselves here in China since they don't have unions.
the USA had similar problems when it was developing. unfair wages, harsh treatment. thats why the unions were formed. sad that the Chinese are repeating the same thing rather than reviewing history and anticipating what workers will/would need and could tolerate.
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Originally Posted by marvfox
Apple could care less about these people. They put on a facade they care. No way in hell. They care about what they gain in profits and what takeover they can obtain with other companies who are at risk.Very selfish and weird company to be employed in.
Just like HP, Dell, Nike and all those other companies "care" about what happens in their factories. Are you kidding me dude. I haven't heard any of those companies try to work with Foxconn to improve working conditions (Apple has) or have Foxcoon independently audited (Apple has), help to pay for the boost in salary (Apple has).
Since I doubt every product you own is made in America, your a hypocrite who needs to step off their pedestal.
"This is obviously Apple's fault. They should have given everyone $7.25 an hour and houses for each individual on a plot of land no smaller than an acre. All workers should have had a 35 hour work week.
This wouldn't have happened if Apple had listened to us protest their working conditions."
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I have no idea what the cause is but I did say when their hours were reduced that having so many young people in a small area with considerably more idle time (...)
Yeah, youth and idle time is probably the cause of this :roll eyes:
When the article states that "Despite the lies and exaggerations, Apple joined..." they indicate that this article is either being cut-and-pasted from a pro-Foxconn source or is being written by a shill.
No reputable journalist would ever use that language. Using the word "lie" opens him or her up to all kinds of litigation, and states guilt without any due process.
I'm not defending what the journalist in question did. That was wrong and even the journalist has acknowledged that. I'm suggesting that by looking at the language in the story, one can easily see that it is coming from someplace with an agenda and shouldn't be trusted.
Richard Fisher
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Originally Posted by rfisher
When the article states that "Despite the lies and exaggerations, Apple joined…" they indicate that this article is either being cut-and-pasted from a pro-Foxconn source or is being written by a shill. No reputable journalist would ever use that language. Using the word "lie" opens him or her up to all kinds of litigation, and states guilt without any due process.
People lie about Apple being a member of the FLA, the article acknowledges this. I don't really see a problem.
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Originally Posted by msimpson
They are angry because they saw the specs on the new MacBook Pros they are assembling and are mad at Apple.
How do you say "Steve would have never let this happen" in Chinese?
Apple needs to move all production to union run factories in the United States that are 100% green and sell all its products at below cost so the press and all the watchdog groups will love them. And they should take all those obscene profits and pay off every student loan and if there is anything left it should go to increase the salaries and benefits of our politicians.
And they should re-open Michael Jackson's Neverland amusement park and make it free for everyone to visit.
Post of the day!
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What is China going to do when all of it's workers (slave laborers) get tired of working for nothing and revolt? More importantly, what will the US do when this happens?
Check your history: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989
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Originally Posted by Macky the Macky
For cripes sake, Foxconn in also HP's partner and Dell's partner, and dozen's of other brand name's partners.
Most people already consider HP and Dell pretty sleazy. Throwing mud at Apple is more likely to generate interest.
>The claims of horrifying working conditions and abysmal wages made in Daisey's tale were ultimately proved false,
Not true! What were proved false were Daisey's claims to have personally witnessed some of the abuses he described. No one has proved - and no informed source has even claimed - that the problems he described weren't real.
So there is no evidence of what he claimed as fact wasn't happening and you say that means he could have accidentally factual because there is no way to prove otherwise? Can you guess what fallacious argument that is?
Well, at least Apple is just one of Foxconn's clients.
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/07/world/asia/foxconn-workers-riot/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
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Originally Posted by jr_b
What is China going to do when all of it's workers (slave laborers) get tired of working for nothing and revolt? More importantly, what will the US do when this happens?
why are they slaver laborers? - especially when there have been numerous wage increases and improvement working conditions in recent years.
Read the New York Times story - there's nothing there that came from Daisey, and none of it has been proved false.