Agree. Not sure where I'm going to find laptops now as I have no interest in a smaller 15" screen. Simply adding more pixels does nothing if the information must be blown up due to the higher resolution to make it read-able. The end result is still the same where a comparable sized image on the screen has two less inches of screen space to work with.
I just can't see switching out my current inventory of 17" laptops for iMac's either. Now we have no option for larger displays except for costly and non-mobile external options.
Not all of use our interested in how 'thin' our laptop is.
Bad call...
If you don't care about how thin your laptop is, then buy the iMac and a piece of luggage. It's about the same weight as the 17" MBP luggable. Bonus: more speed!!
This is not surprising at all. If you do an apples-to-apples (how do you like that?) price comparison of the old-style 15 MBPro and the Retina 15 Pro, the Retina 15 Pro is cheaper !! That's amazing.
Take the 2.6Ghz model. With 8GB RAM and 512GB SSD, the old-style Pro comes to $3,099. The Retina Pro is priced at $2,799. With the exception of the display, all key specs are the same (not counting number of ports). In other words, if you go for the Retina Pro, you get a much better display than the standard display on the old-style Pro, and you save $300. The same thing is also true of the low-end Retina Pro. That is some pricing strategy!! There will be huge demand. No wonder the shipping time is slipping.
My conclusion is that Cook and Schiller want to make the Retina Pro so attractive, compared to other MacBook Pros (and PC notebooks), that it sells in huge volumes thus driving down manufacturing costs, particularly of the Retina display. I think that after a couple more iterations, we may only have one line of MacBooks - Retina Pros (with no ODD or HDD). If they can get the price of a 13 Retina Pro to $1,199, there will be no reason to keep the old-style Pros. My guess is that they will eventually bring back the 17.
It will be very hard for the likes of HP and Dell to compete.
For any whiners that say, "...but my old MBP had optical drives!" Just buy the Apple external optical drive for $99 using the $300 you saved. Use the left over $200 to treat your wife to a night out and avoid the flack you'd get for upgrading your laptop.
It's the same with the Air. If you upgrade the Specs on those to get close to the 15", you get the same $2199 magic number. it's like they really want to sell these new ones.
What other company can push a $2200 notebook and expect to stay open?
This is not surprising at all. If you do an apples-to-apples (how do you like that?) price comparison of the old-style 15 MBPro and the Retina 15 Pro, the Retina 15 Pro is cheaper !! That's amazing.
Take the 2.6Ghz model. With 8GB RAM and 512GB SSD, the old-style Pro comes to $3,099. The Retina Pro is priced at $2,799. With the exception of the display, all key specs are the same (not counting number of ports). In other words, if you go for the Retina Pro, you get a much better display than the standard display on the old-style Pro, and you save $300. The same thing is also true of the low-end Retina Pro. That is some pricing strategy!! There will be huge demand. No wonder the shipping time is slipping.
My conclusion is that Cook and Schiller want to make the Retina Pro so attractive, compared to other MacBook Pros (and PC notebooks), that it sells in huge volumes thus driving down manufacturing costs, particularly of the Retina display. I think that after a couple more iterations, we may only have one line of MacBooks - Retina Pros (with no ODD or HDD). If they can get the price of a 13 Retina Pro to $1,199, there will be no reason to keep the old-style Pros. My guess is that they will eventually bring back the 17.
It will be very hard for the likes of HP and Dell to compete.
This is exactly what I was looking at after they released the price. It's amazing how aggressive they are being with the price.
I did the order very soon and got the confirmation of shipment in 5 days :-)
Ab upgrading fron 10.7.4 to 10.8.0 I really never seen a so smooth transition in Apple main version history (for ex 10.5-10.6 was very difficult as a lot apps they had to be upgraded, etc....). The passage 10.7-10.8 it is a candy :-), in fact I decided to pass all my machines to DP 4 without to wait for the real final version. Really hard to tell what is NOT working perfectly. And it is visible how the code was optimised, that the real main feature of 10.8. Really fast and fluent. My two cents :-)
I predict that the old-style MacBook Pros, both 13 and 15 inch, will eventually be discontinued. Apple is keeping them for the time being for customers who need a storage capacity that is prohibitively expensive to do in SSD and who think they need an optical drive.
The laptop line will be, in the near future, MacBook Air 11 and 13-inch and MacBook Pro 13 and 15-inch, all with retina displays and SSDs. If they don't drop the MacBook Pro 17, it will be late out of the gate because the cost of the retina display and the SSD storage would price it out of the market.
SSD storage starts at the bottom of the line and moves up as the cost of SSDs go down. The retina display starts with the MacBook Pro 15 because that's the best seller.
iMacs take very large screens and require a lot of storage, so it will take awhile for retina displays and SSDs to be inexpensive enough to be practical for iMacs.
It's clear that Apple wants its entire line to have SSDs and Retina displays. They will eliminate optical drives and hard disks.
I thought yesterdays presentation was fantastic. The new macBook is the most impressive, most beautifully designed piece of hardware I have seen in a long time.
Let's hope that they announce the new redesigned macPro line up, the same time they announce the new 27" 4k retina display monitors
glad I got my order in when I did yesterday... still under the 5 to 7 days, even though mines CTO with 16gb of ram high end model. Says delivery will be between the 21st and the 25th. Their estimates are usually conservative. I've "pre-orderd" machines like this from Apple twice before and always got them ahead of the estimates.
It's the same with the Air. If you upgrade the Specs on those to get close to the 15", you get the same $2199 magic number. it's like they really want to sell these new ones.
What other company can push a $2200 notebook and expect to stay open?
You are absolutely right. The 13 Air with 2.0Ghz dual-core i7, 8GB RAM and 512GB SSD is $2,199. For the same price, you can get a 15 Retina Pro with much better specs. Which one would you get?
Schiller is a master at the specs and pricing game. And, it is all a terrific strategy to substantially increase Apple's share in the notebook market. I am willing to bet that Apple's recent acquisition of the Israeli company Anobit will allow Apple to significantly reduce the cost of flash memory. With low cost Retina display and low cost SSD, they will destroy the competition. Just imagine in a couple of years.... a 13" MacBook Pro with Retina display and 512GB SSD at $1,199. Who will be able to compete with Apple?
As soon as these were released I didn't think twice about upgrading my 2008 MacBook unibody. I just bought a new iPad with retina display and I use it for most things that I used to use that MacBook for. But now that I have actually read through the specs more and watched that awesome promotional video, I am sold. This is now the hottest computer in the entire industry. The retina display changes everything. And it is well, well worth the cost. I am so glad that Apple still has passion for the Mac!
glad I got my order in when I did yesterday... still under the 5 to 7 days, even though mines CTO with 16gb of ram high end model. Says delivery will be between the 21st and the 25th. Their estimates are usually conservative. I've "pre-orderd" machines like this from Apple twice before and always got them ahead of the estimates.
Very interesting. Hmm. I wonder what will happen to all the people who own Apple products at the post doomed apple years? Maybe Apple will just be a music company? Or are they just plain doooooooooommeeedddddd!
For any whiners that say, "...but my old MBP had optical drives!" Just buy the Apple external optical drive for $99 using the $300 you saved. Use the left over $200 to treat your wife to a night out and avoid the flack you'd get for upgrading your laptop.
I did the order very soon and got the confirmation of shipment in 5 days :-)
Ab upgrading fron 10.7.4 to 10.8.0 I really never seen a so smooth transition in Apple main version history (for ex 10.5-10.6 was very difficult as a lot apps they had to be upgraded, etc....). The passage 10.7-10.8 it is a candy :-), in fact I decided to pass all my machines to DP 4 without to wait for the real final version. Really hard to tell what is NOT working perfectly.
And it is visible how the code was optimised, that the real main feature of 10.8. Really fast and fluent. My two cents :-)
Good news. I may be wrong, I've not been a developer for a while ... but I don't think the release version of Mountain Lion will upgrade your Dev versions so you might some fun getting all your machines running the full release version if you've gone and used the Dev version on everything. I hope you have clones of all your drives. If I'm wrong I'm sure a Dev will correct me here.
My experience is that a built-to-order machine comes faster than a stock configuration. In 2008, Apple announced a new iMac. I ordered one with an upgraded hard disk. The order acknowledgement said it would be delivered in three weeks. I ordered it on Friday and it arrived on Tuesday!
They probably have to pull a machine out of line, modify it to match your order, then there's no point in not sending it right away. If you change glad to happy, my guess is that it will much much faster.
…I don't think the release version of Mountain Lion will upgrade your Dev versions so you might some fun getting all your machines running the full release version if you've gone and used the Dev version on everything. I hope you have clones of all your drives.
I bought Lion straight from the last Developer Preview thereof.
If you don't care about how thin your laptop is, then buy the iMac and a piece of luggage. It's about the same weight as the 17" MBP luggable. Bonus: more speed!!
Because I DO care about portability, but having a laptop that's a few MM thinner doesn't really impact that much at all, where lugging around an iMac is a non-starter. Unless you live on the moon, the iMac is no where near the weight of the Macbook Pro. I'll assume you're just trolling on that one since even the 20" iMac is 20 Lbs.
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Originally Posted by DJRumpy
Agree. Not sure where I'm going to find laptops now as I have no interest in a smaller 15" screen. Simply adding more pixels does nothing if the information must be blown up due to the higher resolution to make it read-able. The end result is still the same where a comparable sized image on the screen has two less inches of screen space to work with.
I just can't see switching out my current inventory of 17" laptops for iMac's either. Now we have no option for larger displays except for costly and non-mobile external options.
Not all of use our interested in how 'thin' our laptop is.
Bad call...
If you don't care about how thin your laptop is, then buy the iMac and a piece of luggage. It's about the same weight as the 17" MBP luggable. Bonus: more speed!!
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Originally Posted by AppleGreen
This is not surprising at all. If you do an apples-to-apples (how do you like that?) price comparison of the old-style 15 MBPro and the Retina 15 Pro, the Retina 15 Pro is cheaper !! That's amazing.
Take the 2.6Ghz model. With 8GB RAM and 512GB SSD, the old-style Pro comes to $3,099. The Retina Pro is priced at $2,799. With the exception of the display, all key specs are the same (not counting number of ports). In other words, if you go for the Retina Pro, you get a much better display than the standard display on the old-style Pro, and you save $300. The same thing is also true of the low-end Retina Pro. That is some pricing strategy!! There will be huge demand. No wonder the shipping time is slipping.
My conclusion is that Cook and Schiller want to make the Retina Pro so attractive, compared to other MacBook Pros (and PC notebooks), that it sells in huge volumes thus driving down manufacturing costs, particularly of the Retina display. I think that after a couple more iterations, we may only have one line of MacBooks - Retina Pros (with no ODD or HDD). If they can get the price of a 13 Retina Pro to $1,199, there will be no reason to keep the old-style Pros. My guess is that they will eventually bring back the 17.
It will be very hard for the likes of HP and Dell to compete.
For any whiners that say, "...but my old MBP had optical drives!" Just buy the Apple external optical drive for $99 using the $300 you saved. Use the left over $200 to treat your wife to a night out and avoid the flack you'd get for upgrading your laptop.
What other company can push a $2200 notebook and expect to stay open?
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Originally Posted by AppleGreen
This is not surprising at all. If you do an apples-to-apples (how do you like that?) price comparison of the old-style 15 MBPro and the Retina 15 Pro, the Retina 15 Pro is cheaper !! That's amazing.
Take the 2.6Ghz model. With 8GB RAM and 512GB SSD, the old-style Pro comes to $3,099. The Retina Pro is priced at $2,799. With the exception of the display, all key specs are the same (not counting number of ports). In other words, if you go for the Retina Pro, you get a much better display than the standard display on the old-style Pro, and you save $300. The same thing is also true of the low-end Retina Pro. That is some pricing strategy!! There will be huge demand. No wonder the shipping time is slipping.
My conclusion is that Cook and Schiller want to make the Retina Pro so attractive, compared to other MacBook Pros (and PC notebooks), that it sells in huge volumes thus driving down manufacturing costs, particularly of the Retina display. I think that after a couple more iterations, we may only have one line of MacBooks - Retina Pros (with no ODD or HDD). If they can get the price of a 13 Retina Pro to $1,199, there will be no reason to keep the old-style Pros. My guess is that they will eventually bring back the 17.
It will be very hard for the likes of HP and Dell to compete.
This is exactly what I was looking at after they released the price. It's amazing how aggressive they are being with the price.
Where's the "Apple-tax" now?
Ab upgrading fron 10.7.4 to 10.8.0 I really never seen a so smooth transition in Apple main version history (for ex 10.5-10.6 was very difficult as a lot apps they had to be upgraded, etc....). The passage 10.7-10.8 it is a candy :-), in fact I decided to pass all my machines to DP 4 without to wait for the real final version. Really hard to tell what is NOT working perfectly.
And it is visible how the code was optimised, that the real main feature of 10.8. Really fast and fluent. My two cents :-)
I predict that the old-style MacBook Pros, both 13 and 15 inch, will eventually be discontinued. Apple is keeping them for the time being for customers who need a storage capacity that is prohibitively expensive to do in SSD and who think they need an optical drive.
The laptop line will be, in the near future, MacBook Air 11 and 13-inch and MacBook Pro 13 and 15-inch, all with retina displays and SSDs. If they don't drop the MacBook Pro 17, it will be late out of the gate because the cost of the retina display and the SSD storage would price it out of the market.
SSD storage starts at the bottom of the line and moves up as the cost of SSDs go down. The retina display starts with the MacBook Pro 15 because that's the best seller.
iMacs take very large screens and require a lot of storage, so it will take awhile for retina displays and SSDs to be inexpensive enough to be practical for iMacs.
It's clear that Apple wants its entire line to have SSDs and Retina displays. They will eliminate optical drives and hard disks.
I thought yesterdays presentation was fantastic. The new macBook is the most impressive, most beautifully designed piece of hardware I have seen in a long time.
Let's hope that they announce the new redesigned macPro line up, the same time they announce the new 27" 4k retina display monitors
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Originally Posted by OriginalG
Where's the "Apple-tax" now?
"But it's $3,000!"
Apple is doomed!
Nobody wants these.
They are $15,000.
Nobody buys stuff with permanent storage.
The retina display is a gimmick.
Final Cut Pro is dead.
Tim Cook is a failure.
Apple is abandoning their Pro market.
glad I got my order in when I did yesterday... still under the 5 to 7 days, even though mines CTO with 16gb of ram high end model. Says delivery will be between the 21st and the 25th. Their estimates are usually conservative. I've "pre-orderd" machines like this from Apple twice before and always got them ahead of the estimates.
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Originally Posted by mabhatter
It's the same with the Air. If you upgrade the Specs on those to get close to the 15", you get the same $2199 magic number. it's like they really want to sell these new ones.
What other company can push a $2200 notebook and expect to stay open?
You are absolutely right. The 13 Air with 2.0Ghz dual-core i7, 8GB RAM and 512GB SSD is $2,199. For the same price, you can get a 15 Retina Pro with much better specs. Which one would you get?
Schiller is a master at the specs and pricing game. And, it is all a terrific strategy to substantially increase Apple's share in the notebook market. I am willing to bet that Apple's recent acquisition of the Israeli company Anobit will allow Apple to significantly reduce the cost of flash memory. With low cost Retina display and low cost SSD, they will destroy the competition. Just imagine in a couple of years.... a 13" MacBook Pro with Retina display and 512GB SSD at $1,199. Who will be able to compete with Apple?
The new standard for notebooks. The competition will not be able to meet this standard for a while.
As soon as these were released I didn't think twice about upgrading my 2008 MacBook unibody. I just bought a new iPad with retina display and I use it for most things that I used to use that MacBook for. But now that I have actually read through the specs more and watched that awesome promotional video, I am sold. This is now the hottest computer in the entire industry. The retina display changes everything. And it is well, well worth the cost. I am so glad that Apple still has passion for the Mac!
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Originally Posted by doh123
glad I got my order in when I did yesterday... still under the 5 to 7 days, even though mines CTO with 16gb of ram high end model. Says delivery will be between the 21st and the 25th. Their estimates are usually conservative. I've "pre-orderd" machines like this from Apple twice before and always got them ahead of the estimates.
Enjoy your new baby!
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Originally Posted by tyler82
Apple is doomed!
Nobody wants these.
They are $15,000.
Nobody buys stuff with permanent storage.
The retina display is a gimmick.
Final Cut Pro is dead.
Tim Cook is a failure.
Apple is abandoning their Pro market.
Very interesting. Hmm. I wonder what will happen to all the people who own Apple products at the post doomed apple years? Maybe Apple will just be a music company? Or are they just plain doooooooooommeeedddddd!
mmmmmm good plan ....
Good news. I may be wrong, I've not been a developer for a while ... but I don't think the release version of Mountain Lion will upgrade your Dev versions so you might some fun getting all your machines running the full release version if you've gone and used the Dev version on everything. I hope you have clones of all your drives. If I'm wrong I'm sure a Dev will correct me here.
My experience is that a built-to-order machine comes faster than a stock configuration. In 2008, Apple announced a new iMac. I ordered one with an upgraded hard disk. The order acknowledgement said it would be delivered in three weeks. I ordered it on Friday and it arrived on Tuesday!
They probably have to pull a machine out of line, modify it to match your order, then there's no point in not sending it right away. If you change glad to happy, my guess is that it will much much faster.
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Originally Posted by digital clips
…I don't think the release version of Mountain Lion will upgrade your Dev versions so you might some fun getting all your machines running the full release version if you've gone and used the Dev version on everything. I hope you have clones of all your drives.
I bought Lion straight from the last Developer Preview thereof.
Because I DO care about portability, but having a laptop that's a few MM thinner doesn't really impact that much at all, where lugging around an iMac is a non-starter. Unless you live on the moon, the iMac is no where near the weight of the Macbook Pro. I'll assume you're just trolling on that one since even the 20" iMac is 20 Lbs.