Look I know it's political season ( & I know the mitt & Obama story are related to apple product but who cares If I want story on politics I'll check out CNN or fox I come here for tech news
Ok, remember to keep this thread non political. Except for the left leaning posters who are gleeful and smug. And the right leaning posters who are butthurt and delusional(about Jobs political leanings).
For the uninformed Jobs was a typical Hollywood Dem, it's great to say I am a Dem & "I CARE", but Jobs would never practice what the Dem party preaches. Do you think Apple employees would be allowed to be in a Union? Are all Apple products made in America with high union wages? Did Jobs ever fire anyone? That's not allowed with a union. Jobs was a convenient Dem, nice to say, but he would never conduct his life like one. Anyone with even the smallest understanding of economics could never be a Dem, and certainly Jobs understood economics.
For the uninformed Jobs was a typical Hollywood Dem, it's great to say I am a Dem & "I CARE", but Jobs would never practice what the Dem party preaches. Do you think Apple employees would be allowed to be in a Union? Are all Apple products made in America with high union wages? Did Jobs ever fire anyone? That's not allowed with a union. Jobs was a convenient Dem, nice to say, but he would never conduct his life like one. Anyone with even the smallest understanding of economics could never be a Dem, and certainly Jobs understood economics.
For the uninformed Jobs was a typical Hollywood Dem, it's great to say I am a Dem & "I CARE", but Jobs would never practice what the Dem party preaches. Do you think Apple employees would be allowed to be in a Union? Are all Apple products made in America with high union wages? Did Jobs ever fire anyone? That's not allowed with a union. Jobs was a convenient Dem, nice to say, but he would never conduct his life like one. Anyone with even the smallest understanding of economics could never be a Dem, and certainly Jobs understood economics.
You are absolutely right, only an objectivist like Alan Greenspan can really understand economics and keep the system from being wrecked by burdensome regulations.
I'm not sure about the lack of relevance. It seemed to me that a huge part of iOS 6 is about close integration with other systems like Twitter, Facebook, etc. Apple may be trying to differentiate itself uniquely for this ease of integration, in which case it would benefit a campaign to pay attention to Steve Jobs forecasting this coming seamlessness. The Republican side won't see this because of its inherent fixation on the past and its obliviousness to the present, let alone the future. That's not a political observation, it's about the inability to grasp the implications of technology.
While the Repugs are fixated on the past, they'd rather believe a fantasy past and not one that might involve evolution. Most won't accept evolution even if the missing link were their candidate for office... Wait! Wait!
Hardly. Anyone who's surprised that a vegan iconoclast who freely talked about his LSD use and named Al Gore to his board might support a Democratic president really hasn't been paying attention for decades. Nor does it "kill" (most of) those of other political persuasions who still want the best digital devices around. Rush Limbaugh misses few opps to talk about his latest Apple gear on the air. Plus I have to wonder what percent of the user base has any notion of the political leanings of the former CEO of the company whose products they buy.
And not only their Apple products. How many of you know ANYTHING of the politics of the CEO or President of the company that built your car (or much about the politics of the country the company is based in if not the US) - or any other product you use regularly? Is your toothpaste dollar benefiting political causes you don't support? Your beverages? Your chain restaurant providers?
Are your Apple dollars supporting Chinese adventurism in Africa or that country's general military build-up, its tacit (or more) support of North Korea and Iran and its still successful suppression of any democratic movement in that country? And if so, does that raise a serious ethical quandary for you? Are Apple's ties to Foxconn helping to create an eventual larger middle class there - which will eventually help create a more democratic country or are they profiteering from the shameless exploitation of labor? Are their outsourced products contributing to a decline in the US economy - or does the new "app economy" offset that? And again, has any of this influenced which computer, OS, phone or tablet you buy?
Also, have Apple's environmental policies - in sourcing, using and recycling their products - actively influenced your buying decisions - which have gotten major press - either when criticism first came to light or since Apple's been responding to them?
Still, while I've never heard of a study, I would imagine overall user base of Mac users would skew more liberal than the populace at large since they're also "hipper," younger and more "aspirational." And OS X is more "right-brained" in its approach to use (more visual, intuitive, always more appeal to creatives etc.) compared to Windows (textual, analytic, more appeal to an engineer's, corporate type's, spread-sheet geek's mind set). In fact, I now recognize that's what made switching much more difficult for me (in the early 00's) than I'd expected it to be - I was trying to just apply my old PC skill set to what looked like a new set of instructions, whereas OS X mastery actually engages a different part of your brain.
There used to be a campaign (in the '60's? '70's) in NYC for a brand of rye bread which featured pictures of people of various ethnicities with the tagline "You don't have to be Jewish to love Levy's!" Were this story to gain traction and become truly controversial - which odds I rate at p<.01, if not p<.001, i.e., it's a blip and gone - Apple could have one "You don't have to be liberal to love Apple!"
Meanwhile, while I followed his companies from the beginning, I really don't care what Steve's political views were - they're hardly what he'll be remembered for. It's more like a comedy routine (I'd credit the comedian, but can't remember) I heard, "I'd much prefer a pilot with a good touch of OCD to a 'well-adjusted' person - I want that sucker to be focused on nothing other than getting my plane from point to point - even if he'd be a terrible drinking buddy." And Apple's notoriously quirky founder and driver was successful - eventually on an almost unimaginably huge scale - because of a famously focused approach to creating (and creating the desire for) insanely great products to the exclusion of many other qualities we value in most people we associate with.
Well written, but you're forgetting something. SJ wasn't your run of the mill CEO, many have a God-like reverence for him and a hatred for Obama, so the thought that SJ might've helped Obama get re-elected even in a minute capacity is akin to the day one realized dear old dad was just a man like any other.
While the Repugs are fixated on the past, they'd rather believe a fantasy past and not one that might involve evolution. Most won't accept evolution even if the missing link were their candidate for office... Wait! Wait!
Ha! Good point. About the fantasy past, I mean. Back on topic, consulting Silicon Valley types is paying attention to the present and future. The future part could also turn out to be fantasy, but at least there's a belief that PROGRESS is possible. Republicans seem to hate progress, because it might sharing the wealth with people not like them. There goes the country club, in other words.
While the Repugs are fixated on the past, they'd rather believe a fantasy past and not one that might involve evolution. Most won't accept evolution even if the missing link were their candidate for office... Wait! Wait!
What? Do you like to type just to see words, because what you just wrote is so vague and stupid it makes no sense whatsoever. For the last three years we've heard nothing but it's Bush's fault. Talk about living in the past....
it has nothing to do with who Steve supports. at least not to me
for me the issue is that his politics were HIS politics and shouldn't be used for hit fodder
the issue is that the man is dead and his anything shouldn't be used for hit fodder
and the biggest
the hit attracting headline implies something that is so far from what the article states that its basically a lie.
I totally agree but there will be some influenced by knowing this.
Look I know it's political season ( & I know the mitt & Obama story are related to apple product but who cares If I want story on politics I'll check out CNN or fox I come here for tech news
Yep, it just goes to show that geniuses are always geniuses *at* something: music, maths, physics, technology. If you ask their opinion outside their field of genius they can be as wrong as anyone else.
I think this one is a bit too far outside of AI's mission. It doesn't really have anything directly to do with Apple. At least the previous political story here was about a campaign's use of Apple's iAd service, which was a first, previous customers were businesses.
Is the topic outside of the business interests of AAPL?
A certain 7th Cir. Judge (and, founding member of a highly political legal society, the author of dozens of highly politically partisan popular books (including the designations of Steven J. Gould, Ph.D. A fool for his dedication to science, and Henry Kissinger as the leading intellectual of our age), father of the Law & Economics doctrine...) may well have personal political bias against Apple because of the topic of the thread.
It is unheard of for a judge to dismiss a case (that wasn't settled, or where the parties don't jointly move for dismissal) after ruling on cross-motions for summary judgment and finding that factual issues remain to be resolved at trial. We'll never know what has lead to the procedural posture of that case - but as an Apple user and long-term investor - I want as many of these issues explored as possible.
Advice given to a political opponent of a judge by the company's CEO is certainly relevant to an AI forum. A Judge's knowledge of a corporate executive's Political Advice given to a political opponent of the judge before that judge rules is correlative, but not necessairaly causative, in a reasoned analysis of the outcome.
The judge is a Senior-Status member of the 7th Cir. The winner of the next presidential election will name his replacement on the bench.
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Agreed.
For the uninformed Jobs was a typical Hollywood Dem, it's great to say I am a Dem & "I CARE", but Jobs would never practice what the Dem party preaches. Do you think Apple employees would be allowed to be in a Union? Are all Apple products made in America with high union wages? Did Jobs ever fire anyone? That's not allowed with a union. Jobs was a convenient Dem, nice to say, but he would never conduct his life like one. Anyone with even the smallest understanding of economics could never be a Dem, and certainly Jobs understood economics.
Steve had to be a Obama supporter, because his salary was only $1 per year.
Remember in any political campaign, this is what you get: A douche bag vs a turd sandwich.
For the uninformed Jobs was a typical Hollywood Dem, it's great to say I am a Dem & "I CARE", but Jobs would never practice what the Dem party preaches. Do you think Apple employees would be allowed to be in a Union? Are all Apple products made in America with high union wages? Did Jobs ever fire anyone? That's not allowed with a union. Jobs was a convenient Dem, nice to say, but he would never conduct his life like one. Anyone with even the smallest understanding of economics could never be a Dem, and certainly Jobs understood economics.
I knew there was a reason I use a desktop computer.
You are absolutely right, only an objectivist like Alan Greenspan can really understand economics and keep the system from being wrecked by burdensome regulations.
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Originally Posted by MacVertigo
I hope Romney got advice from the guy behind the windows phone.
With luck Romney even got a private monkey dance thrown in.
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I'm not sure about the lack of relevance. It seemed to me that a huge part of iOS 6 is about close integration with other systems like Twitter, Facebook, etc. Apple may be trying to differentiate itself uniquely for this ease of integration, in which case it would benefit a campaign to pay attention to Steve Jobs forecasting this coming seamlessness. The Republican side won't see this because of its inherent fixation on the past and its obliviousness to the present, let alone the future. That's not a political observation, it's about the inability to grasp the implications of technology.
While the Repugs are fixated on the past, they'd rather believe a fantasy past and not one that might involve evolution. Most won't accept evolution even if the missing link were their candidate for office... Wait! Wait!
Well written, but you're forgetting something. SJ wasn't your run of the mill CEO, many have a God-like reverence for him and a hatred for Obama, so the thought that SJ might've helped Obama get re-elected even in a minute capacity is akin to the day one realized dear old dad was just a man like any other.
These guys might be related lol
Ha! Good point. About the fantasy past, I mean. Back on topic, consulting Silicon Valley types is paying attention to the present and future. The future part could also turn out to be fantasy, but at least there's a belief that PROGRESS is possible. Republicans seem to hate progress, because it might sharing the wealth with people not like them. There goes the country club, in other words.
What? Do you like to type just to see words, because what you just wrote is so vague and stupid it makes no sense whatsoever. For the last three years we've heard nothing but it's Bush's fault. Talk about living in the past....
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Lol it kills some of you to believe that SJ might've been an Obama supporter.
it has nothing to do with who Steve supports. at least not to me
for me the issue is that his politics were HIS politics and shouldn't be used for hit fodder
the issue is that the man is dead and his anything shouldn't be used for hit fodder
and the biggest
the hit attracting headline implies something that is so far from what the article states that its basically a lie.
I totally agree but there will be some influenced by knowing this.
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Originally Posted by Ryuk
Look I know it's political season ( & I know the mitt & Obama story are related to apple product but who cares If I want story on politics I'll check out CNN or fox I come here for tech news
I agree. Let's keep it tech related here.
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Oh well, nobody’s perfect.
Yep, it just goes to show that geniuses are always geniuses *at* something: music, maths, physics, technology. If you ask their opinion outside their field of genius they can be as wrong as anyone else.
Is the topic outside of the business interests of AAPL?
A certain 7th Cir. Judge (and, founding member of a highly political legal society, the author of dozens of highly politically partisan popular books (including the designations of Steven J. Gould, Ph.D. A fool for his dedication to science, and Henry Kissinger as the leading intellectual of our age), father of the Law & Economics doctrine...) may well have personal political bias against Apple because of the topic of the thread.
It is unheard of for a judge to dismiss a case (that wasn't settled, or where the parties don't jointly move for dismissal) after ruling on cross-motions for summary judgment and finding that factual issues remain to be resolved at trial. We'll never know what has lead to the procedural posture of that case - but as an Apple user and long-term investor - I want as many of these issues explored as possible.
Advice given to a political opponent of a judge by the company's CEO is certainly relevant to an AI forum. A Judge's knowledge of a corporate executive's Political Advice given to a political opponent of the judge before that judge rules is correlative, but not necessairaly causative, in a reasoned analysis of the outcome.
The judge is a Senior-Status member of the 7th Cir. The winner of the next presidential election will name his replacement on the bench.
Didn't Steve Jobs also tell BO that he was going to loose the election if he kept going in the direction he has been going in?
Can't wait for November...... yeah yeah... to buy a new iMac.... and not to vote a commie out of office.