OK, I can see this will be endless, so I'll leave with a summary of my opinion, cuz obviously it's just an opinion, of what's what
Apple has for years been subsidizing a sense of security by pointing at Windows faults
Apple has begun retracting that propaganda in light of recent, serious security breeches
OS X is not a stable environment relative to Windows 7
Apple has recently been in the habit of crashing their OS with patches
All systems have bugs, but the recent performance of OS updates exposes that OS X is *absolutely subject* to serious risks
If Apple's share of the market increases, those risks *will be* exploited
IMPORTANT: Use the rapidity of iOS's rooting as a forewarning of what the real-world will be like for a more popular OS X
Service advisory finished
That's great advice and, next year, if MAC OS X users get another 'virus' through a third party software developer, then we'll ensure they do a nice, easy restore from iCloud, then keep on trucking. Hell, if their iOS devices ever have the same happen, they'll probably do the same there as well.
That's great advice and, next year, if MAC OS X users get another 'virus' through a third party software developer, then we'll ensure they do a nice, easy restore from iCloud, then keep on trucking. Hell, if their iOS devices ever have the same happen, they'll probably do the same there as well.
If it happens.
Sigh, give the most recent Apple Insider article about Mountain Lion a read. Note the first paragraph, which I will relate below...
It was revealed on Monday that Apple's upcoming OS X Mountain Lion will feature an automatic security check feature that will ensure users have the most up-to-date software protection amid a growing number of Mac-targeted malware.
And the rest of the article further supports my guessing of what the future holds. You need to stop being so protective, and consider that OS X is finally starting to grow up. It means that you will have to grow up, too.
It was revealed on Monday that Apple's upcoming OS X Mountain Lion will feature an automatic security check feature that will ensure users have the most up-to-date software protection amid a growing number of Mac-targeted malware.
And your implication is what? This is to ensure all Mac users have updated security patches. This is absolutely no different from the five or fewer yearly security patches Apple already puts out, except users will be ensured to DO them from now on. This is Apple further removing the nonsense that users shouldn't have to see whatsoever, not an indication of any increased security problems.
No greater number of malware has come out for OS X, that is not a function of marketshare, and almost everything you've said has been wrong or based on the assumption that OS X operates at all like Windows.
Java today, the rest tomorrow. The wave hits shore somewhere.
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Java today, the rest tomorrow. The wave hits shore somewhere.
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Java today, the rest tomorrow. The wave hits shore somewhere.
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Java today, the rest tomorrow. The wave hits shore somewhere.
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Java today, the rest tomorrow. The wave hits shore somewhere.
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Java today, the rest tomorrow. The wave hits shore somewhere.
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Java today, the rest tomorrow. The wave hits shore somewhere.
Still waiting. We've been hearing the same lines for nearly a decade. Oh but NOW, it's different. Yes, THIS is The Year of Desktop Linux the year The Wave will hit.
But I'm not worried. because I know YOU will be the very first one to let us know when "the wave" hits.
Still waiting. We've been hearing the same lines for nearly a decade. Oh but NOW, it's different. Yes, THIS is The Year of Desktop Linux the year The Wave will hit. But I'm not worried. because I know YOU will be the very first one to let us know when "the wave" hits.
Gosh dang it, Huddler… so much useless WHITE SPACE.
The average user doesn't know the difference between "trojan" and "virus" and "malware." In fact, Joe Lunchbox lumps everything into the "virus" category.
Next time a trojan shows up for OS X (we get one or two every few years, Lol) they'll scream "virus!!!" and there goes the neighbourhood.
And whereas media coverage about the precious few pieces of OS X malware in the past was next to nonexistent, Apple's brand name has
garnered more attention over the past few years than ever. Count on the news about next trojan (maybe sometime next year)
to clog tech news sites and mainstream news outlets.
Apple doesn't need to deal with that kind of bullish*t. Can't blame them for modifying the PR blurb.
It wasn't necessary, but the possibility for negative PR arising from consumer misunderstanding (or rather, ignorance) is far too great.
I know how much you love Apple. Consider that they market on simplicity, and many tech illiterate individuals buy their product on this basis. Even if you look at Windows based systems, most malware in the wild isn't in virus form, but the term has held up over the years. I am not suggesting they run out and get the latest security suite, but people should watch what they download and install regardless of operating system.
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It's perfectly reasonably for Joe Lunchbox to think so. Whether it's a worm or virus, or an STD, he doesn't care, "It just doesn't work, fix it" he yells.
Regardless, his understanding should be that "OS X doesn't need extra anti-viral software, because Apple will issue a security update ASAP if there is anything wrong". It really doesn't make sense that they would need to teach us anything too technical.
Should I be worried about my iOS running on 'unsecure wireless networks' yet?
That's what he gets for using an improperly shielded 64 pin connector.
If Apple had avoided making absurd claims of security invulnerability, they could have more reasonability shown independent analysis between PC and Mac virus/malware infections. to show where Mac stands against it's primary competitor. Instead, they ended up with egg on their face.
Gosh dang it, Huddler… so much useless WHITE SPACE.
Need to write our rules out better, then. They're quite vague as-is.
I stepped away for a bit, but I'll respond generally:
- The "wave" never came before Apple never had a chance at market share like it has now. You don't see that? I'm sure you do, so note that you are splitting into two something that is one: low virus count == low market share.
- A higher malware count == greater share in the market, be happy Apple has to grow up and deal with it
- Your complacency is being abandoned by Apple, follow your leader
- I apologize for economizing my thoughts into the word doofus, but I didn't want to spend the rest of the evening going on about complacency in the face of a sea-change.
For your edification, OS patches causing full stop:
Recent Thunderbolt patch
CUI 10.7.3 boot failures and UI hangs, February 2012
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Originally Posted by kustardking
OK, I can see this will be endless, so I'll leave with a summary of my opinion, cuz obviously it's just an opinion, of what's what
Apple has for years been subsidizing a sense of security by pointing at Windows faults
Apple has begun retracting that propaganda in light of recent, serious security breeches
OS X is not a stable environment relative to Windows 7
Apple has recently been in the habit of crashing their OS with patches
All systems have bugs, but the recent performance of OS updates exposes that OS X is *absolutely subject* to serious risks
If Apple's share of the market increases, those risks *will be* exploited
IMPORTANT: Use the rapidity of iOS's rooting as a forewarning of what the real-world will be like for a more popular OS X
Service advisory finished
That's great advice and, next year, if MAC OS X users get another 'virus' through a third party software developer, then we'll ensure they do a nice, easy restore from iCloud, then keep on trucking. Hell, if their iOS devices ever have the same happen, they'll probably do the same there as well.
If it happens.
To Java.
Hang on, let me go get a glass of milk so I can tell you I snorted it through my nose like ConradZitherGestan26 would.
Someone go wake up the Webster's guys; a single instance of something happening is now defined as a "habit".
So the last twenty years haven't counted.
No, not in the slightest…
That's great advice and, next year, if MAC OS X users get another 'virus' through a third party software developer, then we'll ensure they do a nice, easy restore from iCloud, then keep on trucking. Hell, if their iOS devices ever have the same happen, they'll probably do the same there as well.
If it happens.
Sigh, give the most recent Apple Insider article about Mountain Lion a read. Note the first paragraph, which I will relate below...It was revealed on Monday that Apple's upcoming OS X Mountain Lion will feature an automatic security check feature that will ensure users have the most up-to-date software protection amid a growing number of Mac-targeted malware.
And the rest of the article further supports my guessing of what the future holds. You need to stop being so protective, and consider that OS X is finally starting to grow up. It means that you will have to grow up, too.
And your implication is what? This is to ensure all Mac users have updated security patches. This is absolutely no different from the five or fewer yearly security patches Apple already puts out, except users will be ensured to DO them from now on. This is Apple further removing the nonsense that users shouldn't have to see whatsoever, not an indication of any increased security problems.
No greater number of malware has come out for OS X, that is not a function of marketshare, and almost everything you've said has been wrong or based on the assumption that OS X operates at all like Windows.
No, not in the slightest…
Java today, the rest tomorrow. The wave hits shore somewhere.Do you snore, too? You're a doofus if you think OS X is more stable than Windows 7
Three times this year, wake up.
They do count - do you remember the 90's when Mac viruses were profligate? Back to a small market share, and, well, fewer viruses!
Right, it's not a "slight," it's a warning. You're a moderator, but you're also blind.
That's not how software works.
I sleep on my stomach.
Guess I'm a doofus. On that note, please do not insult AppleInsider users, as that's against our rules.
I can only recall the recent Thunderbolt patch. Would you mind listing the other two?
When they were… wasteful? No, I don't recall that… Probably because there were more problems with the classic OS' than there have been with OS X.
I've no clue what you're talking about, nor do I believe do you.
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Java today, the rest tomorrow. The wave hits shore somewhere.You're starting to sound an awful lot like Steve Ballmer:
"In the future this will definitely happen..."
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Java today, the rest tomorrow. The wave hits shore somewhere.2008
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Java today, the rest tomorrow. The wave hits shore somewhere.2009
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Java today, the rest tomorrow. The wave hits shore somewhere.2010
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Java today, the rest tomorrow. The wave hits shore somewhere.2011
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Java today, the rest tomorrow. The wave hits shore somewhere.Still waiting. We've been hearing the same lines for nearly a decade. Oh but NOW, it's different. Yes, THIS is The Year of Desktop Linux the year The Wave will hit.
But I'm not worried. because I know YOU will be the very first one to let us know when "the wave" hits.
(Don't hold your breath.)
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Guess I'm a doofus. On that note, please do not insult AppleInsider users, as that's against our rules.
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Now that kustardking has moved his trolling comments to include personal attacks can the mods consider a banning?
Actually it is not against the rules. Insulting someone by calling them a doofus is not vulgar, obscene, threatening or against the law.
Please read the terms of service for AI forum. It is only two paragraphs.
I thought a personal attack on a person was a separate offense to those other offenses.
Gosh dang it, Huddler… so much useless WHITE SPACE.
Need to write our rules out better, then. They're quite vague as-is.
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PR. They had to.
The average user doesn't know the difference between "trojan" and "virus" and "malware." In fact, Joe Lunchbox lumps everything into the "virus" category.
Next time a trojan shows up for OS X (we get one or two every few years, Lol) they'll scream "virus!!!" and there goes the neighbourhood.
And whereas media coverage about the precious few pieces of OS X malware in the past was next to nonexistent, Apple's brand name has
garnered more attention over the past few years than ever. Count on the news about next trojan (maybe sometime next year)
to clog tech news sites and mainstream news outlets.
Apple doesn't need to deal with that kind of bullish*t. Can't blame them for modifying the PR blurb.
It wasn't necessary, but the possibility for negative PR arising from consumer misunderstanding (or rather, ignorance) is far too great.
I know how much you love Apple. Consider that they market on simplicity, and many tech illiterate individuals buy their product on this basis. Even if you look at Windows based systems, most malware in the wild isn't in virus form, but the term has held up over the years. I am not suggesting they run out and get the latest security suite, but people should watch what they download and install regardless of operating system.
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Originally Posted by elmsley
It's perfectly reasonably for Joe Lunchbox to think so. Whether it's a worm or virus, or an STD, he doesn't care, "It just doesn't work, fix it" he yells.
Regardless, his understanding should be that "OS X doesn't need extra anti-viral software, because Apple will issue a security update ASAP if there is anything wrong". It really doesn't make sense that they would need to teach us anything too technical.
Should I be worried about my iOS running on 'unsecure wireless networks' yet?
That's what he gets for using an improperly shielded 64 pin connector.
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Emoji rock.
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Gosh dang it, Huddler… so much useless WHITE SPACE.
Need to write our rules out better, then. They're quite vague as-is.
I stepped away for a bit, but I'll respond generally:- The "wave" never came before Apple never had a chance at market share like it has now. You don't see that? I'm sure you do, so note that you are splitting into two something that is one: low virus count == low market share.
- A higher malware count == greater share in the market, be happy Apple has to grow up and deal with it
- Your complacency is being abandoned by Apple, follow your leader
- I apologize for economizing my thoughts into the word doofus, but I didn't want to spend the rest of the evening going on about complacency in the face of a sea-change.
For your edification, OS patches causing full stop:
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Originally Posted by kustardking
Service advisory finished
You sure take a bit to wind down, don't you?
(>_<)
You sure take a bit to wind down, don't you?
(>_<)
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And according to some,
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Emoji rock.
Say what?