First; off every product ever made experience issues in ramp up. That is what product development and R&D is all about.
Second; Apple has been shipping product on Samsungs 32/28 nm node for some time now. Production is ramping up for the lower power SoC. However this really isn't a huge concern, rather it is the LTE networking hardware that has had power draw issues. The LTE chips come via TSMC and they have had significant issues with ramp up of their smaller nodes.
Third; performance per watt will become a very interesting discussion as Intel actually beats ARM on performance per watt with Ivy Bridge. However that is a big chip that can't go into a cell phone due to its power usage. What this indicates though is that Intel could potentially dip below Arm in power usage with a spin of Atom that leverages everything they have learned about low power at 22nm. The problem is that Atom is far from being the small SoC solution that Apple needs. In fact it often looks like Intel has zero interest in doing the high integration chips need for the cell phone industry. Intel talks up a good story but I've seen no credible sign that they really are going after cell phones.
Fourth; I don't see Apple going intel in tablets of cell phones anytime soon. They are basically terrible solutions. One issue is Intels reluctance to do custom spins. SoC are in reality the printed circuit boards of the 80's & 90's, it is here where the likes of Apple can add their IP to make unique and competitive products.
The SoC is not still on Samsung's 45nm? I guess soon Apple will have to switch to Intel (again) for performance/watt reasons and I would rather an Intel chip than a Samsung in my next iPhone.
[quote]The SoC is not still on Samsung's 45nm? I guess soon Apple will have to switch to Intel (again) for performance/watt reasons and I would rather an Intel chip than a Samsung in my next iPhone.[/quote]
The A5 is not a samsung chip. It is manufactured to apples specs by samsung but samsung has nothing to do with its design
Really Tallest you need to get over this IPhone numbering problem you have. Apple will call it whatever they damn well feel like calling the next iPhone.
What does Apple have to do with anything? I didn't mention Apple at all. We already know what the next iPhone will be called; I'm concerned now for accuracy within troubleshooting and discussion.
Here's a fun thing to do. Take out your iPhone 4S or iPhone 4. Now imagine the plastic/glass edges are totally gone, that is, the phone thickness is just the stainless steel band. Boom! iPhone 5 (or, "The Next iPhone"). Of course the battery will be a killer task.
"Quick, rouse up half the population of Kansas and get them to work right now for at least 12 consecutive 12-hour shifts, we need to ship these in September!
"What? What was that? Oh, union laws don't allow that? What do you mean we have to pay overtime? Oh, the packaging staff is on vacation? What do you mean out on maternity leave; I thought she was just fat, she's from Kansas for crying outloud!? What do you mean most of the workers have 45-minute commutes?! Why don't we just build a dorm around the factory here?!
"Okay, that's it, we're moving to China."
I understand your humour, but there's some very bad stuff happening in China right now. Apple is trying to be a positive force, I feel, but everything else in China? Not good, not good at all. You honestly wouldn't want to live there at all. Kids getting run down in the street and women molested in broad daylight and nobody cares. Everyone just trying to make a buck.
I'm just thankful I got the hell out of Malaysia. Bad stuff happening in the developing world.
Obesity and Laziness in the West is a problem because some (not all) people in the West appreciate truly how amazing life can be in the West.
Maybe it Apple just made a larger phone, as people clearly want (see sales of Android devices) then they wouldn't have to struggle so much to fit a decent battery in there.
I'm really rather tired of how conservative Apple are. It's as if they are deliberately trying to do the opposite of what people want, through sheer pig headedness. And I won't mention their hideous skeumorphic design sense, or this would end up a lengthy rant.
Maybe it Apple just made a larger phone, as people clearly want (see sales of Android devices) then they wouldn't have to struggle so much to fit a decent battery in there.
I'm really rather tired of how conservative Apple are. It's as if they are deliberately trying to do the opposite of what people want, through sheer pig headedness. And I won't mention their hideous skeumorphic design sense, or this would end up a lengthy rant.
D'j'ever stop and think you might not be a representative of "people", or even "most people"?
D'j'ever stop and think you might not be a representative of "people", or even "most people"?
If most people preferred phones with small screens, then there would be very few phones with large screens. I invite you to look at exhibit A - the Android phone line-up.
If most people preferred phones with small screens, then there would be very few phones with large screens. I invite you to look at exhibit A - the Android phone line-up.
PS. Android dominates phone sales.
I do not think that is how it works. People choose products because of the way they work, in this case, iOS is chosen over Android. If people would choose a larger screen then why did Apple sell so many 4s's? That was the moment the market was flooded with these large screen phones.
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Second; Apple has been shipping product on Samsungs 32/28 nm node for some time now. Production is ramping up for the lower power SoC. However this really isn't a huge concern, rather it is the LTE networking hardware that has had power draw issues. The LTE chips come via TSMC and they have had significant issues with ramp up of their smaller nodes.
Third; performance per watt will become a very interesting discussion as Intel actually beats ARM on performance per watt with Ivy Bridge. However that is a big chip that can't go into a cell phone due to its power usage. What this indicates though is that Intel could potentially dip below Arm in power usage with a spin of Atom that leverages everything they have learned about low power at 22nm. The problem is that Atom is far from being the small SoC solution that Apple needs. In fact it often looks like Intel has zero interest in doing the high integration chips need for the cell phone industry. Intel talks up a good story but I've seen no credible sign that they really are going after cell phones.
Fourth; I don't see Apple going intel in tablets of cell phones anytime soon. They are basically terrible solutions. One issue is Intels reluctance to do custom spins. SoC are in reality the printed circuit boards of the 80's & 90's, it is here where the likes of Apple can add their IP to make unique and competitive products.
Doesn't Apple produce all their batteries themselves at Apple Japan?
I seem to remember reading about that after the big earthquake/tsunami, because there were concerns they wouldn't be able to keep up production...
The A5 is not a samsung chip. It is manufactured to apples specs by samsung but samsung has nothing to do with its design
What does Apple have to do with anything? I didn't mention Apple at all. We already know what the next iPhone will be called; I'm concerned now for accuracy within troubleshooting and discussion.
"Apple experiencing battery issues in development of next iPhone"
No wonder.
It's amazing how much juice a Death Ray will chew up.
Here's a fun thing to do. Take out your iPhone 4S or iPhone 4. Now imagine the plastic/glass edges are totally gone, that is, the phone thickness is just the stainless steel band. Boom! iPhone 5 (or, "The Next iPhone"). Of course the battery will be a killer task.
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Originally Posted by macinthe408
"Quick, rouse up half the population of Kansas and get them to work right now for at least 12 consecutive 12-hour shifts, we need to ship these in September!
"What? What was that? Oh, union laws don't allow that? What do you mean we have to pay overtime? Oh, the packaging staff is on vacation? What do you mean out on maternity leave; I thought she was just fat, she's from Kansas for crying outloud!? What do you mean most of the workers have 45-minute commutes?! Why don't we just build a dorm around the factory here?!
"Okay, that's it, we're moving to China."
I understand your humour, but there's some very bad stuff happening in China right now. Apple is trying to be a positive force, I feel, but everything else in China? Not good, not good at all. You honestly wouldn't want to live there at all. Kids getting run down in the street and women molested in broad daylight and nobody cares. Everyone just trying to make a buck.
I'm just thankful I got the hell out of Malaysia. Bad stuff happening in the developing world.
Obesity and Laziness in the West is a problem because some (not all) people in the West appreciate truly how amazing life can be in the West.
Maybe it Apple just made a larger phone, as people clearly want (see sales of Android devices) then they wouldn't have to struggle so much to fit a decent battery in there.
I'm really rather tired of how conservative Apple are. It's as if they are deliberately trying to do the opposite of what people want, through sheer pig headedness. And I won't mention their hideous skeumorphic design sense, or this would end up a lengthy rant.
D'j'ever stop and think you might not be a representative of "people", or even "most people"?
It just happens Apple now have a naming license.
Samsung now use 32nm so obviously its 32nm and far less likely TSMC 28nm.
As mentioned this battery thing is bad for the user who loses through enhanced lack of choice.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
D'j'ever stop and think you might not be a representative of "people", or even "most people"?
If most people preferred phones with small screens, then there would be very few phones with large screens. I invite you to look at exhibit A - the Android phone line-up.
PS. Android dominates phone sales.
Not in the US. Nor, I imagine, in much of western Europe.
I do not think that is how it works. People choose products because of the way they work, in this case, iOS is chosen over Android. If people would choose a larger screen then why did Apple sell so many 4s's? That was the moment the market was flooded with these large screen phones.