Depends on how you define 'feature phone OS'. In terms of it being on cheap phones and used by people who don't care about their phone OS, then sure. In terms of its actual features, power, and flexibility, no way. I *would* say that Android has a VERY polarized userbase. My guess is that 60% of users are on cheap or free on contract phones and probably NEVER open the browser- give them the Facebook app and they are set. Another 25% of users are the VERY techy people/power users that utilize every function of their phones and use the browser heavily. The remaining 15% are somewhere in the middle. ...
This is a really, really, unlikely scenario. You argue that Android users don't open the browser because they are too busy Facebooking? That goes against every metric and description of the average Android user I've ever read or heard. You don't get large differences like this based on demographics anyway, the average Android user and the average iOS user aren't that far apart socially.
The idea that Android is harder to use (and it is) and it's harder to find the browser or use it (it is) is the best idea you have.
IMO it pretty much has to be down to sales. Many more Android phones are sold and activated than are actually used on a daily basis. Not sure why exactly, but it pretty much has to be the case.
From these figures, we can conclude that Android is complete crap.
We can also conclude that Google is probably lying through their teeth about their activation numbers, and at the very least, we can conclude that the majority of Android phones are pure junk, being used as extremely dumb phones by their cheap and unfortunate users, who also happen to be not very tech savvy, contrary to popular myth.
The lies and fables that Fandroids tell are just not supported by real world data and facts. Reality is a Fandroids worst enemy.
Yes, then I can experience "the full web" with Flash as well.
you can disable flash in Android under preference in the browser - it has built in "click for flash"... or simple do not install that plug-in (the Flash argument has always been nonsensical to me)
So no, you experience whatever "web" you fell like. Regardless of iOS or Android it will be watered down thou.
This is a really, really, unlikely scenario. You argue that Android users don't open the browser because they are too busy Facebooking? That goes against every metric and description of the average Android user I've ever read or heard. You don't get large differences like this based on demographics anyway, the average Android user and the average iOS user aren't that far apart socially.
The idea that Android is harder to use (and it is) and it's harder to find the browser or use it (it is) is the best idea you have but even then it could only account for small difference.
It pretty much has to be down to sales. Many more Android phones are sold and activated than are actually used on a daily basis. Not sure why exactly, but it pretty much has to be the case.
Google talks about how many daily activations they have, but no one's talking about the refund/return rate. It probably explains the mobile web usage.
LOL yeah I do feel like a sportscar in commute traffic. To justify my RMBP I really gotta work on Logic, iMovie and iBooks Author. We'll see.
That was not the premise of the first statement - it was web browsing. Also it was not about "performance" but the inability to use a feature in a real world setting due to a limitation.
A for this: There is little need for Oil Pastels on a job that can be done with Crayons. I could not justify a RMBP if my workflow went via iMovie or iBooks Author - as design/video software they are not much to speak of. Logic depends what you are making.
Those numbers are kind of interesting, it mainly shows that most user of an Android device are definitely doing something else with their phones other than hitting the browsers, maybe they all put the phones on vibrate and slide it down their pants and wait for someone to text them. The real meaning of sexting.
But Android OS is on PMPs, tablets, handsets, PCs, eReaders, smartwatches, cordless phones, handheld game consoles, portable radios, set-top TV boxes, and other odd device categories.
Well we need to understand that these numbers are about web site and Internet traffic. It could also mean that iOS users actually USE their devices on the Internet more than Android users. Anyway you look at it though iOS is dominant where it counts.
I wonder how many Android fanatics will forgo upgrading to Jelly Bean because they can't access the REAL Internet with it. Their ludicrous assertions continue to fall by the wayside every day and they look more foolish as time goes on.
First thing you do on Android device (or should do) is set your browser to Desktop mode - it makes the nonsense of mobile browsing a bit more tolerable - those devices will not count.
Will not count as what? In Net Market Share, they will still count as Android. True even on most browsers that ID themselves as Safari.
The simple truth is, iOS users use their devices much more as connected internet devices than Android users. The goes right down the same line as iOS developers make lots more $$$ than Android developers.
What I find most interesting is that developer interest in iOS vs Android is fairly close to these numbers.
Great point. This web share metric alone seems so strange as to be almost unbelievable, but when you put those two numbers together, they're harder to ignore.
i wonder if one possible explanation might be that Android devices don't stay in use as long as iOS devices. Perhaps there are more hand-me-down iOS devices out there. In the short term, that might have the effect of reducing Apple's sales, but in the longer term, it could yield Apple quite a few more customers.
edit -- follow-up thought --- the fact that new versions of iOS work on older iDevices, while the converse is not remotely true for Android, may support the above hypothesis. Apple may be sacrificing short term sales for long term development of a customer base while Android device makers are doing the opposite.
What does mobile browser mean here? How was it surveyed? Desktop viewing on mobile device also included in here? Anyone has got the link, so that anyone could read the original?
Or are we bitching Android based on an unscientific random survey?
How is this data compiled? Are we talking about pages served? bandwidth, and if bandwidth does it count both upstream and downstream equally? These articles really don't provide enough detail for context. Even if you're an AAPL investor, you should desire more detail than just "Apple is doing well".
I'm an Android user and I'll tell you why I don't browse the web - because I don't need to.
When I use a tablet or phone to digest content, I do it via apps, like Google Currents, Pulse, Flipboard, etc - not the web. I only use "the web" (in my case, Google Chrome) to search for specific things, such as "how do I fix problem abc". I don't aimlessly browse around looking for something to entertain me. However, I don't do this on a desktop, either.
Serious question - why do you use the web on your iOS device?
I'm an Android user and I'll tell you why I don't browse the web - because I don't need to.
When I use a tablet or phone to digest content, I do it via apps, like Google Currents, Pulse, Flipboard, etc - not the web. I only use "the web" (in my case, Google Chrome) to search for specific things, such as "how do I fix problem abc". I don't aimlessly browse around looking for something to entertain me. However, I don't do this on a desktop, either.
Serious question - why do you use the web on your iOS device?
Good point. See my comments in other threads about "The death of the desktop web"... if you can find it.
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Originally Posted by Uninterested_Viewer
Depends on how you define 'feature phone OS'. In terms of it being on cheap phones and used by people who don't care about their phone OS, then sure. In terms of its actual features, power, and flexibility, no way. I *would* say that Android has a VERY polarized userbase. My guess is that 60% of users are on cheap or free on contract phones and probably NEVER open the browser- give them the Facebook app and they are set. Another 25% of users are the VERY techy people/power users that utilize every function of their phones and use the browser heavily. The remaining 15% are somewhere in the middle. ...
This is a really, really, unlikely scenario. You argue that Android users don't open the browser because they are too busy Facebooking? That goes against every metric and description of the average Android user I've ever read or heard. You don't get large differences like this based on demographics anyway, the average Android user and the average iOS user aren't that far apart socially.
The idea that Android is harder to use (and it is) and it's harder to find the browser or use it (it is) is the best idea you have.
IMO it pretty much has to be down to sales. Many more Android phones are sold and activated than are actually used on a daily basis. Not sure why exactly, but it pretty much has to be the case.
From these figures, we can conclude that Android is complete crap.
We can also conclude that Google is probably lying through their teeth about their activation numbers, and at the very least, we can conclude that the majority of Android phones are pure junk, being used as extremely dumb phones by their cheap and unfortunate users, who also happen to be not very tech savvy, contrary to popular myth.
The lies and fables that Fandroids tell are just not supported by real world data and facts. Reality is a Fandroids worst enemy.
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Originally Posted by sr2012
Yes, then I can experience "the full web" with Flash as well.
you can disable flash in Android under preference in the browser - it has built in "click for flash"... or simple do not install that plug-in (the Flash argument has always been nonsensical to me)
So no, you experience whatever "web" you fell like. Regardless of iOS or Android it will be watered down thou.
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Originally Posted by JONOROM
This data is crazy, way too thin, and we are all just speculating. Somebody in the industry needs to do some real research to:
1. Validate the data and, if confirmed
2. Provide an explanation for this phenomenon that is backed up by real data.
Developers in particular need this.
Maybe this is a job for Horace Dediu? His article last September doesn't seem to agree with these numbers http://www.asymco.com/2011/09/21/the-perils-of-possession-without-utilization/
Hi summation of the situation appears to be this at the end:
"Possession without utilization implies a product that does not do its job. Its features are not being absorbed. Why would that be?"
I agree 100% with this interpretation.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
This is a really, really, unlikely scenario. You argue that Android users don't open the browser because they are too busy Facebooking? That goes against every metric and description of the average Android user I've ever read or heard. You don't get large differences like this based on demographics anyway, the average Android user and the average iOS user aren't that far apart socially.
The idea that Android is harder to use (and it is) and it's harder to find the browser or use it (it is) is the best idea you have but even then it could only account for small difference.
It pretty much has to be down to sales. Many more Android phones are sold and activated than are actually used on a daily basis. Not sure why exactly, but it pretty much has to be the case.
Google talks about how many daily activations they have, but no one's talking about the refund/return rate. It probably explains the mobile web usage.
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Originally Posted by sr2012
LOL yeah I do feel like a sportscar in commute traffic. To justify my RMBP I really gotta work on Logic, iMovie and iBooks Author. We'll see.
That was not the premise of the first statement - it was web browsing. Also it was not about "performance" but the inability to use a feature in a real world setting due to a limitation.
A for this: There is little need for Oil Pastels on a job that can be done with Crayons. I could not justify a RMBP if my workflow went via iMovie or iBooks Author - as design/video software they are not much to speak of. Logic depends what you are making.
regardless, we a bit off topic at this point.
Until August, at least.
Those numbers are kind of interesting, it mainly shows that most user of an Android device are definitely doing something else with their phones other than hitting the browsers, maybe they all put the phones on vibrate and slide it down their pants and wait for someone to text them. The real meaning of sexting.
What I find most interesting is that developer interest in iOS vs Android is fairly close to these numbers.
Well we need to understand that these numbers are about web site and Internet traffic. It could also mean that iOS users actually USE their devices on the Internet more than Android users. Anyway you look at it though iOS is dominant where it counts.
I wonder how many Android fanatics will forgo upgrading to Jelly Bean because they can't access the REAL Internet with it. Their ludicrous assertions continue to fall by the wayside every day and they look more foolish as time goes on.
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Originally Posted by agramonte
First thing you do on Android device (or should do) is set your browser to Desktop mode - it makes the nonsense of mobile browsing a bit more tolerable - those devices will not count.
Will not count as what? In Net Market Share, they will still count as Android. True even on most browsers that ID themselves as Safari.
The simple truth is, iOS users use their devices much more as connected internet devices than Android users. The goes right down the same line as iOS developers make lots more $$$ than Android developers.
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Originally Posted by anonymouse
They spend a lot of time rooting them and trying to tweak the OS to maximize battery life. Who has time to go on the web when you could be doing that?
LOL. I bet my co-worker is doing that right now!
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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee
What I find most interesting is that developer interest in iOS vs Android is fairly close to these numbers.
Great point. This web share metric alone seems so strange as to be almost unbelievable, but when you put those two numbers together, they're harder to ignore.
i wonder if one possible explanation might be that Android devices don't stay in use as long as iOS devices. Perhaps there are more hand-me-down iOS devices out there. In the short term, that might have the effect of reducing Apple's sales, but in the longer term, it could yield Apple quite a few more customers.
edit -- follow-up thought --- the fact that new versions of iOS work on older iDevices, while the converse is not remotely true for Android, may support the above hypothesis. Apple may be sacrificing short term sales for long term development of a customer base while Android device makers are doing the opposite.
What does mobile browser mean here? How was it surveyed? Desktop viewing on mobile device also included in here? Anyone has got the link, so that anyone could read the original?
Or are we bitching Android based on an unscientific random survey?
How is this data compiled? Are we talking about pages served? bandwidth, and if bandwidth does it count both upstream and downstream equally? These articles really don't provide enough detail for context. Even if you're an AAPL investor, you should desire more detail than just "Apple is doing well".
I'm an Android user and I'll tell you why I don't browse the web - because I don't need to.
When I use a tablet or phone to digest content, I do it via apps, like Google Currents, Pulse, Flipboard, etc - not the web. I only use "the web" (in my case, Google Chrome) to search for specific things, such as "how do I fix problem abc". I don't aimlessly browse around looking for something to entertain me. However, I don't do this on a desktop, either.
Serious question - why do you use the web on your iOS device?
Good point. See my comments in other threads about "The death of the desktop web"... if you can find it.