And folks lets not forget the source here. It's Bloomberg. The same guys that are telling us without a doubt that finally after 3 years of rumors there will also be a fall iPad model, it will be a 7 inch, there is definitely a real Apple TV, etc etc.
Good point! They also **** up with their "Bloomberg Publishes Premature Obituary for Steve Jobs" Gawker link
But we did get the funny line from Steve/Mark Twain "The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated." YouTube
I notice how little people say that "apple doesn't need uk" or "the uk is a shitty country anyway" compared to when Italy acts againsts Apple. I'm pretty sure that this comes from people's lack of knowledge about my country. Many here maybe think that Italy is a second-class country because we had a retarded prime minister but in fact the UK and Italy have almost the same GDP and we live very well in this country. So next time, american friends, refrain from criticizing countries you don't know and, most of all, economical, political or judiciary systems you know nothing about.
When did the UK make its last meaningful software contribution to
the industry? That's right everyone - we can't fuckin remember
This ruling is like having my six year old make the decision
I notice how little people say that "apple doesn't need uk" or "the uk is a shitty country anyway" compared to when Italy acts againsts Apple. I'm pretty sure that this comes from people's lack of knowledge about my country. Many here maybe think that Italy is a second-class country because we had a retarded prime minister but in fact the UK and Italy have almost the same GDP and we live very well in this country. So next time, american friends, refrain from criticizing countries you don't know and, most of all, economical, political or judiciary systems you know nothing about.
You're just being ignorant here.
Don't take it personally. Many of the members here are tud thumping eff wits that are so shallow that they will slag off any country or person that dares to even suggest that apple is not absolutely perfect. Inspite of their "devotion" they do apple's image much harm by portraying owners as obsessive
If you think about it, the only "true" competition to Apple would be another company that does a vertically-integrated business model. All these so-called competitors that either license out their OS or slam together boxes that run someone else's OS aren't in the same league. They, by default, can't be. Horizontal business models, all else being equal, will provide a comparatively inferior level of User Experience each time. A vertically-integrated system done right, will nearly every time beat a horizontal business model. Horizontal business models are built around volume-pushing, not a qualitative framework. If you can really master the "turn-key" solution, you're golden.
*sigh* Another absolute statement about economics. Economics is a flexible field that has no supreme rules to govern it like standard natural sciences. In other words, it is highly situation-dependent.
I notice how little people say that "apple doesn't need uk" or "the uk is a shitty country anyway" compared to when Italy acts againsts Apple. I'm pretty sure that this comes from people's lack of knowledge about my country. Many here maybe think that Italy is a second-class country because we had a retarded prime minister but in fact the UK and Italy have almost the same GDP and we live very well in this country. So next time, american friends, refrain from criticizing countries you don't know and, most of all, economical, political or judiciary systems you know nothing about.
You're just being ignorant here.
See ARM Holdings, the company even Apple has to bow down to.
See ARM Holdings, the company even Apple has to bow down to.
I too was going to mention ARM (and Jonathan Ive) but Red Oak did specifically mention software contributions.
I guess you shouldn't be too hard on Red Oak, that's what comes of being fed a diet of Hollywood movies that tell the public that the Americans captured the Enigma machine, won the War on their own, saved Afganistan, the world, etc....
Looks like the People in the UK actually have some common sense. I believe that there are patents that Apple can assert, but they have a whole lot that they can't. Simply put, if a patent is too broad, and too simple, it should not even be a patent. They are patenting even a basic command. Really, they are just flailing around now hoping to hit someone.
If you think about it, the only "true" competition to Apple would be another company that does a vertically-integrated business model. All these so-called competitors that either license out their OS or slam together boxes that run someone else's OS aren't in the same league. They, by default, can't be. Horizontal business models, all else being equal, will provide a comparatively inferior level of User Experience each time. A vertically-integrated system done right, will nearly every time beat a horizontal business model. Horizontal business models are built around volume-pushing, not a qualitative framework. If you can really master the "turn-key" solution, you're golden.
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Originally Posted by Samson Corwell
*sigh* Another absolute statement about economics. Economics is a flexible field that has no supreme rules to govern it like standard natural sciences. In other words, it is highly situation-dependent.
I would question the degree to which Apple are vertically integrated. They don't make their hardware, they contract that out to 3rd parties. They do have thier own retail arm but they also rely on 3rd party vendors. The only "absolute" control that they have is over repairs(?) and software.
If economics were so simple everyone would be vertically integrated and vertically integrated firms such as RIM and Nokia would be loaded. And let's not forget that MS can be argued to be vertically integrated
The suggestion that only vertically integrated firms can provide decent user experience is bizarre
For anyone really curious about the reasons for some of Apple's patents to be ruled invalid while others were judged uninfringed by HTC. the complete decision and reasoning is available here. I would expect those same arguments to be brought up in similar US cases and perhaps with the same results. It's doesn't help in the near-term of course, since the trials have not even begun afaik despite ITC actions. The specifics of both swipe-to-unlock and keyboard character sets rulings and basis were particularly interesting to me.
Q. What I want to put to you is that it would have been obvious, that one way of doing it which would have been immediately apparent would have been to provide a different characterset for each of the different languages, even though many of the characters were common?
A. Yes, it would.
Q. It would equally have been obvious that although one could have done it that way, and the facility existed to do it that way, that would be inefficient because you would have duplication and so you would need a large number of charactersets.
A. Yes, it would.
Q. It is one of those situations, it is a little bit like it being obvious to walk to Newcastle, it is obvious to do so but everyone knows it is better to take the train?
"Apple may review its patent licensing and enforcement strategy in light of a ruling by the UK's High Court last week, an expert has said.
On 4 July the High Court ruled that three European patents that Apple sought to rely on in legal proceedings against HTC were invalid and that the Taiwanese device manufacturer had not been guilty of infringing on a fourth patent."
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Whoever decided that software technology warrants a patent of their own is an idiot.
And it looks like the people on the other side of the pond have better reasoning skills than the ones in this part of the world.
Happy 4th everyone. /s
Let's see, slam on the idea of protecting intellectual property, slam on all citizens of the US, that's the way to get around. ????
the industry? That's right everyone - we can't fuckin remember
This ruling is like having my six year old make the decision
Good point! They also **** up with their "Bloomberg Publishes Premature Obituary for Steve Jobs" Gawker link
But we did get the funny line from Steve/Mark Twain "The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated." YouTube
It's… it's not from 2009. It's not from 2008.
It's from LAST YEAR.
These idiots actually print this stuff. They still think there will be a smaller iPhone.
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Originally Posted by Red Oak
When did the UK make its last meaningful software contribution to
the industry? That's right everyone - we can't fuckin remember
This ruling is like having my six year old make the decision
Congratulations, you are now officially as red necked as Galbi...
I notice how little people say that "apple doesn't need uk" or "the uk is a shitty country anyway" compared to when Italy acts againsts Apple. I'm pretty sure that this comes from people's lack of knowledge about my country. Many here maybe think that Italy is a second-class country because we had a retarded prime minister but in fact the UK and Italy have almost the same GDP and we live very well in this country. So next time, american friends, refrain from criticizing countries you don't know and, most of all, economical, political or judiciary systems you know nothing about.
You're just being ignorant here.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ClemyNX
Sorry for off subject but...
I notice how little people say that "apple doesn't need uk" or "the uk is a shitty country anyway" compared to when Italy acts againsts Apple. I'm pretty sure that this comes from people's lack of knowledge about my country. Many here maybe think that Italy is a second-class country because we had a retarded prime minister but in fact the UK and Italy have almost the same GDP and we live very well in this country. So next time, american friends, refrain from criticizing countries you don't know and, most of all, economical, political or judiciary systems you know nothing about.
You're just being ignorant here.
Don't take it personally. Many of the members here are tud thumping eff wits that are so shallow that they will slag off any country or person that dares to even suggest that apple is not absolutely perfect. Inspite of their "devotion" they do apple's image much harm by portraying owners as obsessive
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadra 610
If you think about it, the only "true" competition to Apple would be another company that does a vertically-integrated business model. All these so-called competitors that either license out their OS or slam together boxes that run someone else's OS aren't in the same league. They, by default, can't be. Horizontal business models, all else being equal, will provide a comparatively inferior level of User Experience each time. A vertically-integrated system done right, will nearly every time beat a horizontal business model. Horizontal business models are built around volume-pushing, not a qualitative framework. If you can really master the "turn-key" solution, you're golden.
*sigh* Another absolute statement about economics. Economics is a flexible field that has no supreme rules to govern it like standard natural sciences. In other words, it is highly situation-dependent.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ClemyNX
Sorry for off subject but...
I notice how little people say that "apple doesn't need uk" or "the uk is a shitty country anyway" compared to when Italy acts againsts Apple. I'm pretty sure that this comes from people's lack of knowledge about my country. Many here maybe think that Italy is a second-class country because we had a retarded prime minister but in fact the UK and Italy have almost the same GDP and we live very well in this country. So next time, american friends, refrain from criticizing countries you don't know and, most of all, economical, political or judiciary systems you know nothing about.
You're just being ignorant here.
See ARM Holdings, the company even Apple has to bow down to.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Samson Corwell
See ARM Holdings, the company even Apple has to bow down to.
I too was going to mention ARM (and Jonathan Ive) but Red Oak did specifically mention software contributions.
I guess you shouldn't be too hard on Red Oak, that's what comes of being fed a diet of Hollywood movies that tell the public that the Americans captured the Enigma machine, won the War on their own, saved Afganistan, the world, etc....
Looks like the People in the UK actually have some common sense. I believe that there are patents that Apple can assert, but they have a whole lot that they can't. Simply put, if a patent is too broad, and too simple, it should not even be a patent. They are patenting even a basic command. Really, they are just flailing around now hoping to hit someone.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Quadra 610
If you think about it, the only "true" competition to Apple would be another company that does a vertically-integrated business model. All these so-called competitors that either license out their OS or slam together boxes that run someone else's OS aren't in the same league. They, by default, can't be. Horizontal business models, all else being equal, will provide a comparatively inferior level of User Experience each time. A vertically-integrated system done right, will nearly every time beat a horizontal business model. Horizontal business models are built around volume-pushing, not a qualitative framework. If you can really master the "turn-key" solution, you're golden.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Samson Corwell
*sigh* Another absolute statement about economics. Economics is a flexible field that has no supreme rules to govern it like standard natural sciences. In other words, it is highly situation-dependent.
I would question the degree to which Apple are vertically integrated. They don't make their hardware, they contract that out to 3rd parties. They do have thier own retail arm but they also rely on 3rd party vendors. The only "absolute" control that they have is over repairs(?) and software.
If economics were so simple everyone would be vertically integrated and vertically integrated firms such as RIM and Nokia would be loaded. And let's not forget that MS can be argued to be vertically integrated
The suggestion that only vertically integrated firms can provide decent user experience is bizarre
For anyone really curious about the reasons for some of Apple's patents to be ruled invalid while others were judged uninfringed by HTC. the complete decision and reasoning is available here. I would expect those same arguments to be brought up in similar US cases and perhaps with the same results. It's doesn't help in the near-term of course, since the trials have not even begun afaik despite ITC actions. The specifics of both swipe-to-unlock and keyboard character sets rulings and basis were particularly interesting to me.
http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/Patents/2012/1789.html
"Apple may review its patent licensing and enforcement strategy in light of a ruling by the UK's High Court last week, an expert has said.
On 4 July the High Court ruled that three European patents that Apple sought to rely on in legal proceedings against HTC were invalid and that the Taiwanese device manufacturer had not been guilty of infringing on a fourth patent."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/07/11/apple_patents/