Just like that last 2,000 times it was brought up, Apple didn't patent a broad or basic idea (such as unlocking a phone). They patented a very specific implementation of one way to unlock a phone. Patents must be specific and cover an implementation rather than a broad idea already, so there's no need for a change.
Then I am going to patent my "slide to unlock by licking" to make apple's not specific enough.
So let’s see what happens if [an inventor] tries to use a patent to stop them. He says “Oh No, IBM. You cannot compete with me. I’ve got this patent. IBM says let’s see. Let’s look at your product. Hmmm. I’ve got this patent and this one and this one and this one and this one and this one, which parts of your product infringe. If you think you can fight against all of them in court, I will just go back and find some more. So, why don’t you cross license with me?” And then this brilliant small inventor says “Well, OK, I’ll cross license”. So he can go back and make these wonderful whatever it is, but so can IBM. IBM gets access to his patent and gets the right to compete with him, which means that this patent didn’t “protect” him at all. The patent system doesn’t really do that.
That's a really interesting talk. Specifically the success of innovators an industry without IP, and the idea of masters of the field being intensely driven to make things too innovative, too polished, "too difficult to copy".
That's a really interesting talk. Specifically the fact that an industry with so little IP protection can have both massive financial success overall and the success of the industry's innovators. It is interesting that, in an environment like this, an innovator might feel compelled to create something of such high quality that it is "too difficult to copy".
. Patents must be specific and cover an implementation rather than a broad idea already, so there's no need for a change.
Given a choice between having respect for the opinion of one of the finest legal minds in the history of the world, and the opinion of a guy who would claim to be a Doctor of Science, but has no legal training whatsoever, I'll choose the former.
What if the software was used to keep you alive, Or even better, Installed in the Boeing A 747 Software will be the route of our own destruction, I don't think a pill will do the same.
A side note if I were apple I Would pack my Bags and go to India, Just goes to show what happens when you do very well in the US, Then we'll see what happens to Wall Street this country is going down much faster than I thought,
BTW I've followed Apple Since 1989 And The iPod Started it all
This Case was bigger than ( MS and Apple ) Love to find some hacker to profile this guys family to see what he got for his ? Dismissed with out prejudices.
What if the software was used to keep you alive, Or even better, Installed in the Boeing A 747 Software will be the route of our own destruction, I don't think a pill will do the same.
A side note if I were apple I Would pack my Bags and go to India, Just goes to show what happens when you do very well in the US, Then we'll see what happens to Wall Street this country is going down much faster than I thought,
BTW I've followed Apple Since 1989 And The iPod Started it all
This Case was bigger than ( MS and Apple ) Love to find some hacker to profile this guys family to see what he got for his ? Dismissed with prejudices.
I would say this would be an argument against IP. You become dependent on a piece of technology. You bought it and own the matter which makes up the hardware. The "information", in this sense, is just the arrangement of matter within this hardware. If someone else "owns" the information, they essentially have some ownership rights over that matter- as long as it is arranged in a certain way.
If you are saying someone else retains IP power in this scenario, you are granting them the right to rearrange (by some chain of government force) the matter which you have physical property rights to and are dependent on, and potentially render it inoperable.
I don't think someone would abuse the above power if they knew it would directly and greatly harm someone, but you can already see some related examples of this starting to surface:
What if the software was used to keep you alive, Or even better, Installed in the Boeing A 747 Software will be the route of our own destruction, I don't think a pill will do the same.
A side note if I were apple I Would pack my Bags and go to India, Just goes to show what happens when you do very well in the US, Then we'll see what happens to Wall Street this country is going down much faster than I thought,
BTW I've followed Apple Since 1989 And The iPod Started it all
This Case was bigger than ( MS and Apple ) Love to find some hacker to profile this guys family to see what he got for his ? Dismissed with prejudices.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Just like that last 2,000 times it was brought up, Apple didn't patent a broad or basic idea (such as unlocking a phone). They patented a very specific implementation of one way to unlock a phone. Patents must be specific and cover an implementation rather than a broad idea already, so there's no need for a change.
Then I am going to patent my "slide to unlock by licking" to make apple's not specific enough.
Btw, this is from Richard Stallman, as quoted by Marco Arment http://www.marco.org/2010/03/06/software-patents
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So let’s see what happens if [an inventor] tries to use a patent to stop them. He says “Oh No, IBM. You cannot compete with me. I’ve got this patent. IBM says let’s see. Let’s look at your product. Hmmm. I’ve got this patent and this one and this one and this one and this one and this one, which parts of your product infringe. If you think you can fight against all of them in court, I will just go back and find some more. So, why don’t you cross license with me?” And then this brilliant small inventor says “Well, OK, I’ll cross license”. So he can go back and make these wonderful whatever it is, but so can IBM. IBM gets access to his patent and gets the right to compete with him, which means that this patent didn’t “protect” him at all. The patent system doesn’t really do that.
This is an interesting talk about intelectual property protection in other industries (not just software or pharma) http://blog.ted.com/2010/05/25/lessons_from_fa/
spoiler: "in fashion industry there's very little intelectual property protection"
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Originally Posted by iang1234
This is an interesting talk about intelectual property protection in other industries (not just software or pharma) http://blog.ted.com/2010/05/25/lessons_from_fa/
That's a really interesting talk. Specifically the success of innovators an industry without IP, and the idea of masters of the field being intensely driven to make things too innovative, too polished, "too difficult to copy".
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Originally Posted by iang1234
This is an interesting talk about intelectual property protection in other industries (not just software or pharma) http://blog.ted.com/2010/05/25/lessons_from_fa/
That's a really interesting talk. Specifically the fact that an industry with so little IP protection can have both massive financial success overall and the success of the industry's innovators. It is interesting that, in an environment like this, an innovator might feel compelled to create something of such high quality that it is "too difficult to copy".
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Originally Posted by jragosta
. Patents must be specific and cover an implementation rather than a broad idea already, so there's no need for a change.
Given a choice between having respect for the opinion of one of the finest legal minds in the history of the world, and the opinion of a guy who would claim to be a Doctor of Science, but has no legal training whatsoever, I'll choose the former.
What if the software was used to keep you alive, Or even better, Installed in the Boeing A 747 Software will be the route of our own destruction, I don't think a pill will do the same.
A side note if I were apple I Would pack my Bags and go to India, Just goes to show what happens when you do very well in the US, Then we'll see what happens to Wall Street this country is going down much faster than I thought,
BTW I've followed Apple Since 1989 And The iPod Started it all
This Case was bigger than ( MS and Apple ) Love to find some hacker to profile this guys family to see what he got for his ? Dismissed with out prejudices.
What if the software was used to keep you alive, Or even better, Installed in the Boeing A 747 Software will be the route of our own destruction, I don't think a pill will do the same.
A side note if I were apple I Would pack my Bags and go to India, Just goes to show what happens when you do very well in the US, Then we'll see what happens to Wall Street this country is going down much faster than I thought,
BTW I've followed Apple Since 1989 And The iPod Started it all
This Case was bigger than ( MS and Apple ) Love to find some hacker to profile this guys family to see what he got for his ? Dismissed with prejudices.
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Originally Posted by Judgementday
What if the software was used to keep you alive
I would say this would be an argument against IP. You become dependent on a piece of technology. You bought it and own the matter which makes up the hardware. The "information", in this sense, is just the arrangement of matter within this hardware. If someone else "owns" the information, they essentially have some ownership rights over that matter- as long as it is arranged in a certain way.
If you are saying someone else retains IP power in this scenario, you are granting them the right to rearrange (by some chain of government force) the matter which you have physical property rights to and are dependent on, and potentially render it inoperable.
I don't think someone would abuse the above power if they knew it would directly and greatly harm someone, but you can already see some related examples of this starting to surface:
http://www.change.org/petitions/let-maya-speak-for-herself
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Originally Posted by Judgementday
What if the software was used to keep you alive, Or even better, Installed in the Boeing A 747 Software will be the route of our own destruction, I don't think a pill will do the same.
A side note if I were apple I Would pack my Bags and go to India, Just goes to show what happens when you do very well in the US, Then we'll see what happens to Wall Street this country is going down much faster than I thought,
BTW I've followed Apple Since 1989 And The iPod Started it all
This Case was bigger than ( MS and Apple ) Love to find some hacker to profile this guys family to see what he got for his ? Dismissed with prejudices.
Just curious... why go to India?
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Oh geez, enough with the notification bar please. It's been beaten to death here and elsewhere already.
Well dude, it's a fair call. It's hypocritical to give Apple a golden ticket, when our beloved company also messes things up!