Uh, a company doesn't "miss" because it doesn't meet the made up numbers of random external people. A "miss" is when the company misses from its own guidance. And Apple most assuredly did not.
What is the single benefit and what are the losses?
Well, portability, of course. Even though people won't be pocketing a 7" iPad, it's decidedly more portable.
Of course you lose screen size, real estate, battery life, processing power, and through the latter, software compatibility.
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How cute.
I agreed with them before, but now I fully understand why the other mods want to get rid of PoliticalOutsider. You people are just mean to one another.
I agreed with them before, but now I fully understand why the other mods want to get rid of PoliticalOutsider. You people are just mean to one another.
WTF?!
You're the one a) being a smart ass ("They have a solution. The 10" iPad"). I just returned the favor; and, b) telling me I "have no argument" because I have no numbers (which you don't either)...while we are both simply expressing opinions and interpretations.
For ****'s sake.
You HAVE to be right about the smaller iPad for some reason and seem to be willing to be a jerk about it to anyone that has the temerity to disagree with you.
It's just fucking product strategy for goodness' sake.
:rolleyes:
:wow:
P.S. Why don't they then? You don't want my eyeballs on your site, fine.
P.S. Why don't they then? You don't want my eyeballs on your site, fine.
Because we're afraid you'll do exactly what you're doing right here, right now, but instead of being off-thread-topic-but-still-relevant-to-the-site, it would be bringing politics into every thread.
Because we're afraid you'll do exactly what you're doing right here, right now, but instead of being off-thread-topic-but-still-relevant-to-the-site, it would be bringing politics into every thread.
You're whining because I disagreed with you about your smaller iPad predictions and claims.
Everything is here for you and everyone else to see: You went smart ass, then got snippy when I went smart ass back to you.
Back on topic...
I personally don't really have a hard prediction about a smaller iPad. Apple's past product strategy has taken both paths. Apple has also done things that they had previously dismissed. It's anyone's guess at this point. If they see competition eating from below and can't figure out a way to get lower cost 10" iPads into customer's hands, they might try the 7".
The purchasing public is actually starting to say that it does also want the choice of a smaller tablet, and the longer Apple leaves that price umbrella in place the more likely a competitor is going to field a viable product.
How do you know is!? Is that pulled out of.... thin air, or can you back that up?
The purchasing public is actually starting to say that it does also want the choice of a smaller tablet, and the longer Apple leaves that price umbrella in place the more likely a competitor is going to field a viable product. The reviews of the Nexus 7 are suggesting that could be now. I'll give you credit for consistency, but Apple has shown itself to be more open to competing in segments where it previously declared it would not ... once they feel they have a compelling product to offer.
I read this to say that the lower cost iPad was doing very well.
Particularly, the full statement was:
This seems to be saying that the new iPad is doing well but the lower cost one may be doing better.
The best (or only) pathway to lower cost iPad might be smaller iPads. Maybe not. Apple seems to have found ways to keep previous generations (e.g., iPhone) online at lower cost. Perhaps this will be the route they take. I think they'd like to try to get an iPad down closer $200 and pretty much end any traction any competitors might be gaining.
The issue is around the concept of a "price umbrella". At a $399 entry point, the problem is that Apple created a tablet market and competitors finally figured out that they can come in at the lower price points (now at $199 with the Nexus 7) and capture market share without competing with Apple. It was one thing when there was no traction for the other products, but Apple can't realistically leave that segment unanswered because it will just dilute the iPad's domination of the tablet market - or at least make it look diluted when you look at market share numbers.
I'm not suggesting Apple would enter that segment just to be in that segment. I firmly believe Apple doesn't enter a market or segment unless it feels it is going to field the best product in that segment. But if they are confident of their product offering, they aren't going to fail to make the right business decision out of some allegiance to a past stated "rule".
How do we know people aren't buying the Nexus because of the price? Apple could just keep the iPad 2 around next cycle and drop the price further to $299 which could address the low end market.
I'm not for or against an iPad Mini but I do find it ridiculous that people want premium features such as LTE Retina A6 etc. all for $199.
Technically costs to produce an iPad Mini would almost be the same as the regular iPad (especially considering the rumor is that it'll only be 1.85 inches smaller) so if Apple were to put all of those features in it, it would either be almost the same price as the regular iPad or the margins would suffer which would kill profits (add in the fact that the Mini will cannibalize regular iPad sales).
For Apple to reach the $199 price it'd probably have to have 3GS internals and a low res screen. Would anyone want to buy a Mini like that?
They do have a solution. The 10" iPad. And making old versions cheaper fills in the gaps.
And what will you do if they DO come out with s smaller iPad? Will you at least publically admit to being fucking wrong, since you're so damn certain they would never do it? Or will you just pretend nothing happened? Or maybe announce you're done with the company? It's one thing to say you'd never buy a smaller iPad. It's quite another to be so adamant that Apple will never make one. When they do, I hope you have the integrity and balls to make a long apology post, about how you were wrong to constantly belittle and mock all those here who did not subscribe to your religious thinking and rigid ideology. The're enough signs this product might be coming out for you to tone down the false confidence a bit.
Or, other new products. Margins are always lower at the early stages of a product's life cyle.
They're also perhaps expecting the dollar to depreciate.
A 7% decline in gross margins is pretty significant. That means Apple is willing to sell at lower prices so that there isn't much of a price umbrella for competition to succeed. I can see them offering a 7.85" iPad at $200 to $250 level to prevent Google and Amazon from succeeding.
Well, portability, of course. Even though people won't be pocketing a 7" iPad, it's decidedly more portable.
Of course you lose screen size, real estate, battery life, processing power, and through the latter, software compatibility.
They can put the 32nm A5 in which will reduce power consumption and give the same performance. The smaller screen will also consume significantly less power. Even though the battery will be smaller, the capacity should easily be offset by the screen and new A5. Result is the same performance and same battery life.
It would be better for reading e-books because of the weight. It would be better for kids in early grades (like K-3) because of the smaller size. You could mount it in your car as a NAV much easier than the regular iPad. It would be a good way to get into gaming and challenge the Wii U or Vita. It would be something parents are a little less wary to give to kids because of the lower price.
I'm not sure I'd use one. But people are buying smaller tablets so there is a market for them. If Apple made a smaller iPad they'd deal a serious blow to their competitors who only seem to have success in this market and can't compete at all against Apple in the 10" tablet space.
And what will you do if they DO come out with s smaller iPad? Will you at least publically admit to being fucking wrong, since you're so damn certain they would never do it? Or will you just pretend nothing happened?
Of course the latter, since any time anyone says Apple will do something and they don't, there's no recognition thereof. This has nothing to do with integrity or chutzpah whatsoever. I see no logical reason for the existence of a smaller iPad, just as I saw no logical reason for the existence of a smaller iPhone. If Apple thinks there is one, they're welcome to try. They've been quite wrong about a desire/market/purpose for some products before.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
You have to weigh the single 'benefit' of a smaller device against the losses.
It makes no sense. There are far too many losses.
What is the single benefit and what are the losses?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Apple cares about the user experience more than anything. From a usability perspective, a 7" tablet is worse at everything than a ~10" one.
Agreed, but then you seem to presume Apple doesn't have a solution for that.
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Originally Posted by MJ1970
Agreed, but then you seem to presume Apple doesn't have a solution for that.
They do have a solution. The 10" iPad. And making old versions cheaper fills in the gaps.
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They do have a solution. The 10" iPad.
How cute.
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Why are you lying? Apple missed revenue big time
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-07-24/apple-falls-short-of-analysts-expectations-amid-iphone-slump.html
Uh, a company doesn't "miss" because it doesn't meet the made up numbers of random external people. A "miss" is when the company misses from its own guidance. And Apple most assuredly did not.
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Originally Posted by mstone
What is the single benefit and what are the losses?
Well, portability, of course. Even though people won't be pocketing a 7" iPad, it's decidedly more portable.
Of course you lose screen size, real estate, battery life, processing power, and through the latter, software compatibility.
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Originally Posted by MJ1970
How cute.
I agreed with them before, but now I fully understand why the other mods want to get rid of PoliticalOutsider. You people are just mean to one another.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I agreed with them before, but now I fully understand why the other mods want to get rid of PoliticalOutsider. You people are just mean to one another.
WTF?!
You're the one a) being a smart ass ("They have a solution. The 10" iPad"). I just returned the favor; and, b) telling me I "have no argument" because I have no numbers (which you don't either)...while we are both simply expressing opinions and interpretations.
For ****'s sake.
You HAVE to be right about the smaller iPad for some reason and seem to be willing to be a jerk about it to anyone that has the temerity to disagree with you.
It's just fucking product strategy for goodness' sake.
:rolleyes:
:wow:
P.S. Why don't they then? You don't want my eyeballs on your site, fine.
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Originally Posted by MJ1970
P.S. Why don't they then? You don't want my eyeballs on your site, fine.
Because we're afraid you'll do exactly what you're doing right here, right now, but instead of being off-thread-topic-but-still-relevant-to-the-site, it would be bringing politics into every thread.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Because we're afraid you'll do exactly what you're doing right here, right now, but instead of being off-thread-topic-but-still-relevant-to-the-site, it would be bringing politics into every thread.
You're whining because I disagreed with you about your smaller iPad predictions and claims.
:wow:
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You're whining because I disagreed with you about your smaller iPad predictions and claims.
Nope. That's not what I'm talking about anymore.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Nope. That's not what I'm talking about anymore.
Well then take it private and explain it.
Everything is here for you and everyone else to see: You went smart ass, then got snippy when I went smart ass back to you.
Back on topic...
I personally don't really have a hard prediction about a smaller iPad. Apple's past product strategy has taken both paths. Apple has also done things that they had previously dismissed. It's anyone's guess at this point. If they see competition eating from below and can't figure out a way to get lower cost 10" iPads into customer's hands, they might try the 7".
How do you know is!? Is that pulled out of.... thin air, or can you back that up?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Well, portability, of course. Even though people won't be pocketing a 7" iPad, it's decidedly more portable.
Of course you lose screen size, real estate, battery life, processing power, and through the latter, software compatibility.
My perceived benefits:
Portability (fits in jacket pocket, backpack, women's 'pocket book')
Easier to read on train because it is smaller
Fits in car glove box
Can be used for car navigation, easier to see than tiny iPhone
Lighter weight
Easier to type on and web browsing compared to iPhone
Cheaper (not that I care since I want a fully loaded version)
Better size for young children
Competes against Nexus 7
Ideal as secondary iPad, offers move versatility
I could think of more but I have to leave now
Or, other new products. Margins are always lower at the early stages of a product's life cyle.
They're also perhaps expecting the dollar to depreciate.
How do we know people aren't buying the Nexus because of the price? Apple could just keep the iPad 2 around next cycle and drop the price further to $299 which could address the low end market.
I'm not for or against an iPad Mini but I do find it ridiculous that people want premium features such as LTE Retina A6 etc. all for $199.
Technically costs to produce an iPad Mini would almost be the same as the regular iPad (especially considering the rumor is that it'll only be 1.85 inches smaller) so if Apple were to put all of those features in it, it would either be almost the same price as the regular iPad or the margins would suffer which would kill profits (add in the fact that the Mini will cannibalize regular iPad sales).
For Apple to reach the $199 price it'd probably have to have 3GS internals and a low res screen. Would anyone want to buy a Mini like that?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
They do have a solution. The 10" iPad. And making old versions cheaper fills in the gaps.
And what will you do if they DO come out with s smaller iPad? Will you at least publically admit to being fucking wrong, since you're so damn certain they would never do it? Or will you just pretend nothing happened? Or maybe announce you're done with the company? It's one thing to say you'd never buy a smaller iPad. It's quite another to be so adamant that Apple will never make one. When they do, I hope you have the integrity and balls to make a long apology post, about how you were wrong to constantly belittle and mock all those here who did not subscribe to your religious thinking and rigid ideology. The're enough signs this product might be coming out for you to tone down the false confidence a bit.
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Or, other new products. Margins are always lower at the early stages of a product's life cyle.
They're also perhaps expecting the dollar to depreciate.
A 7% decline in gross margins is pretty significant. That means Apple is willing to sell at lower prices so that there isn't much of a price umbrella for competition to succeed. I can see them offering a 7.85" iPad at $200 to $250 level to prevent Google and Amazon from succeeding.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Well, portability, of course. Even though people won't be pocketing a 7" iPad, it's decidedly more portable.
Of course you lose screen size, real estate, battery life, processing power, and through the latter, software compatibility.
They can put the 32nm A5 in which will reduce power consumption and give the same performance. The smaller screen will also consume significantly less power. Even though the battery will be smaller, the capacity should easily be offset by the screen and new A5. Result is the same performance and same battery life.
It would be better for reading e-books because of the weight. It would be better for kids in early grades (like K-3) because of the smaller size. You could mount it in your car as a NAV much easier than the regular iPad. It would be a good way to get into gaming and challenge the Wii U or Vita. It would be something parents are a little less wary to give to kids because of the lower price.
I'm not sure I'd use one. But people are buying smaller tablets so there is a market for them. If Apple made a smaller iPad they'd deal a serious blow to their competitors who only seem to have success in this market and can't compete at all against Apple in the 10" tablet space.
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And what will you do if they DO come out with s smaller iPad? Will you at least publically admit to being fucking wrong, since you're so damn certain they would never do it? Or will you just pretend nothing happened?
Of course the latter, since any time anyone says Apple will do something and they don't, there's no recognition thereof. This has nothing to do with integrity or chutzpah whatsoever. I see no logical reason for the existence of a smaller iPad, just as I saw no logical reason for the existence of a smaller iPhone. If Apple thinks there is one, they're welcome to try. They've been quite wrong about a desire/market/purpose for some products before.
Wasn't there any statement about the supposed imminent dividend?