I know you jest but in fact I am not being racist at all, just look at the academic achievement levels in the USA, we are so far behind it is embarrassing and if not for H1B visas our patent levels would be down the tubes. Asians are very clever! I just hate theft of IP, be it Bill Gates, Samsung or Eric Schmitt et al.
All I can do is laugh at you.
Your posts are full of amusing if unintended humor and irony.
An Apple v. Samsung court document filed on Monday reveals an e-mail in which a top Samsung designer said to "learn through the lessons of the iPhone," not to make replica handsets based on Apple's popular designs.
This has been going on since Japan in the 1960's, Asian companies making replicas of European and American products. Hopefully the courts will punish Samsung so severely no one will do it again. Yes Kia that would mean you need to hire a designer too! Although there is an irony that Kia is ripping off Toyota who ripped off Mercedes and BMW. It's not as if Asians aren't very smart enough ... get out there and innovate for heaven's sake.
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Originally Posted by digitalclips
I know you jest but in fact I am not being racist at all, just look at the academic achievement levels in the USA, we are so far behind it is embarrassing and if not for H1B visas our patent levels would be down the tubes. Asians are very clever! I just hate theft of IP, be it Bill Gates, Samsung or Eric Schmitt et al.
Wow, you're actually serious in your reference to "Asians" aren't you? I'm curious, in your generalizations of Asian people, which asians are your throwing into that pool of humanity?...West Asians, East Asians, Southeast Asians...or is there a specific country you wanted to generalize about...like all Japanese or only Japanese high tech industries?
And when you say that "we are so far behind", who the heck is "we"? Does "we" include mixed white/asians?...or just those that are purely white whose citizenship extends past, say, 3 generations in America? I'm just wondering, because I'm confused by your use of the word "Asians". Forgive me because I'm one of the non-Asians whose academic achievements are lacking.
digitalclips: seriously? Are you for real, or were you just being humorous?
Wow, you're actually serious in your reference to "Asians" aren't you? I'm curious, in your generalizations of Asian people, which asians are your throwing into that pool of humanity?...West Asians, East Asians, Southeast Asians...or is there a specific country you wanted to generalize about...like all Japanese or only Japanese high tech industries?
And when you say that "we are so far behind", who the heck is "we"? Does "we" include mixed white/asians?...or just those that are purely white whose citizenship extends past, say, 3 generations in America? I'm just wondering, because I'm confused by your use of the word "Asians". Forgive me because I'm one of the non-Asians whose academic achievements are lacking.
digitalclips: seriously? Are you for real, or were you just being humorous?
.... Earlier on Monday, Samsung attempted to scrap the entire case after Apple's closing arguments, saying the Cupertino-based company didn't meet its legal burden ...
The case isn't over for a week or more, how can it be after Apple's closing arguments?
The level of writing here is just ridiculously bad. I mean I know people say it every day, but you people should really be ashamed of yourselves. There are at least a dozen people who comment here on a regular basis that write better, more insightful, more accurate, and more detailed comments than the authors of the damned articles do.
The case isn't over for a week or more, how can it be after Apple's closing arguments?
The level of writing here is just ridiculously bad. I mean I know people say it every day, but you people should really be ashamed of yourselves. There are at least a dozen people who comment here on a regular basis that write better, more insightful, more accurate, and more detailed comments than the authors of the damned articles do.
It's very sad. It permeates Korean society. It's something Americans still do not understand
In nature to mimic is to evolve and survive. In Asian culture they are still surviving under that rule of nature. In western civilization we have adopted a more philosophical meaning of right and wrong in the Greek tradition, I'm not saying that one is right and the other wrong, only that sometimes they may have a different perspective regarding the meaning of the individualism or cultural identity. To copy something that is successful is natural.
In nature to mimic is to evolve and survive. In Asian culture they are still surviving under that rule of nature. In western civilization we have adopted a more philosophical meaning of right and wrong in the Greek tradition, I'm not saying that one is right and the other wrong, only that sometimes they may have a different perspective regarding the meaning of the individualism or cultural identity. To copy something that is successful is natural.
I'm not buying that story. We're beyond most species in determining what's right and wrong. To be a caveman watching a monkey crack open a coconut with a rock and mimicking that behavior for survival is one thing.
To be a CEO of a (Korean) company looking at a competitor's product and say "make our product just like theirs" and somehow rationalize that it's some sort of deep-rooted survival instinct, or a cultural thing is hogwash. He's intelligent enough to admit that he's copying something. But no, he feels it better to protect his ego and just downright lie about it than admit in public what he did was wrong.
It irks me when people try to establish psychological, cultural, or in this case, primordial-goo evolution theories to explain what is essentially a guy trying to con Apple. Fess up, pay your dues, and move on Samscum!
I'm not buying that story. We're beyond most species in determining what's right and wrong. To be a caveman watching a monkey crack open a coconut with a rock and mimicking that behavior for survival is one thing.
To be a CEO of a (Korean) company looking at a competitor's product and say "make our product just like theirs" and somehow rationalize that it's some sort of deep-rooted survival instinct, or a cultural thing is hogwash. He's intelligent enough to admit that he's copying something. But no, he feels it better to protect his ego and just downright lie about it than admit in public what he did was wrong.
It irks me when people try to establish psychological, cultural, or in this case, primordial-goo evolution theories to explain what is essentially a guy trying to con Apple. Fess up, pay your dues, and move on Samscum!
I don't disagree with you. I'm predicting they are about to learn a lesson on the world stage. I understand their cultural tendencies but it doesn't mean I give them a pass or justify their actions.
"Good artists copies, great artists steal." Western society stole from Eastern societies a lot back in the day, but that's okay, no one cares, because its is to the benefit of the West, just like how Whale hunting was all fine and dandy when the Western world was exploiting that resource and hunting them to extinction.
BTW, Kia did hire a designer, Peter Schreyer, who designed the Audi TT (1998), A6 (1998), A3 (1996), VW New Beetle (1998), VW Golf (1998), among others. Samsung should learn from Kia.
BTW, Kia did hire a designer, Peter Schreyer, who designed the Audi TT (1998), A6 (1998), A3 (1996), VW New Beetle (1998), VW Golf (1998), among others. Samsung should learn from Kia.
Samsung exec told company to learn from Apple's iPhone, not copy it ... that went well didn't it?
This almost seems like a warning that they were copying the iPhone too much already, and that they need to back off a little. You can just about read this as an admission of guilt. If I were Samsung's lawyers, I wouldn't have told this.
Hindsight is a useful weapon in court. Unless, that is, the judge is not an idiot.
Please bear in mind that Apple has not been allowed to discover a major portion of the supporting documentation that would deny Samsung their story. The lack of email server evidence is major. I wonder if the server backups were destroyed too.
There are now two major points that Samsung is trying to make that could have been verified (or torn down) if email records were available.
(1) F700 was an independent development with some features in common with the iPhone. (2) A designer once offered the opinion that Samsung should not directly copy the iPhone.
What both of these issues have in common is that they are cherry-picked to support Samsung and they both lack context.
It would be interesting to find out how many of the common design points that the F700 shared with Apple were discoverable from Apple parts already sourced from Samsung manufacturing at the time. It is probably a good thing for Samsung that the F700 argument is not being allowed into court as, from what I can see, all of the common features claimed as independent design by Samsung could have been derived from parts Apple likely had Samsung make. Overall dimension, outline, ear-slit etc. Was Samsung manufacturing iPhone screens at the time?
There is also the issue of what other internal prototypes did Samsung have in the works at the same time. What was their design theme? Samsung have cherry-picked an outlier design to make their case and in doing so have highlighted the likelihood that Apple design-values/formats were (and probably still are) being leaked internally from manufacturing. Bringing that up as evidence of independent design - that shows *real* contempt. Good thing point #1 above has been made moot by the judge.
Point #2 indicates that there was an email from a designer hoping that Samsung could do more than merely copy the iPhone. So what? In the absence of full context i.e. the other emails that made up any discussion of this issue, it is impossible to tell if this designer was listened to, sidelined, backed, put-off. Where is the email chain? Oh, that's right, nothing server-based is available. Can't do much with email sequence numbers to verify that this email is even real without a server dump (or, perhaps, server archives of the time). The email has little more relevance than heresay. Now Apple will have to get that designer on the stand to have him/her explain what was meant. An interesting question might be "why was the designer so worried about Samsung merely copying Apple that it warranted an internal email dialog". Warning of the issue does not defuse it. Did the designer contribute to the subsequently produced Samsung phones? Is that designer even still at the company and if not, why not?
Enquiring minds want to know... Must order more popcorn.
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Originally Posted by digitalclips
I know you jest but in fact I am not being racist at all, just look at the academic achievement levels in the USA, we are so far behind it is embarrassing and if not for H1B visas our patent levels would be down the tubes. Asians are very clever! I just hate theft of IP, be it Bill Gates, Samsung or Eric Schmitt et al.
All I can do is laugh at you.
Your posts are full of amusing if unintended humor and irony.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
An Apple v. Samsung court document filed on Monday reveals an e-mail in which a top Samsung designer said to "learn through the lessons of the iPhone," not to make replica handsets based on Apple's popular designs.
Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more....
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Originally Posted by digitalclips
This has been going on since Japan in the 1960's, Asian companies making replicas of European and American products. Hopefully the courts will punish Samsung so severely no one will do it again. Yes Kia that would mean you need to hire a designer too! Although there is an irony that Kia is ripping off Toyota who ripped off Mercedes and BMW. It's not as if Asians aren't very smart enough ... get out there and innovate for heaven's sake.
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Originally Posted by digitalclips
I know you jest but in fact I am not being racist at all, just look at the academic achievement levels in the USA, we are so far behind it is embarrassing and if not for H1B visas our patent levels would be down the tubes. Asians are very clever! I just hate theft of IP, be it Bill Gates, Samsung or Eric Schmitt et al.
Wow, you're actually serious in your reference to "Asians" aren't you? I'm curious, in your generalizations of Asian people, which asians are your throwing into that pool of humanity?...West Asians, East Asians, Southeast Asians...or is there a specific country you wanted to generalize about...like all Japanese or only Japanese high tech industries?
And when you say that "we are so far behind", who the heck is "we"? Does "we" include mixed white/asians?...or just those that are purely white whose citizenship extends past, say, 3 generations in America? I'm just wondering, because I'm confused by your use of the word "Asians". Forgive me because I'm one of the non-Asians whose academic achievements are lacking.
digitalclips: seriously? Are you for real, or were you just being humorous?
So samsung produced an email from 2 years ago pertinent to this trial? What happened to the rest of their emails?
Oh right. They destroyed all evidence that didn't support them.
Korean translation of "learn from" = "copy"
It's very sad. It permeates Korean society. It's something Americans still do not understand
You are totally correct, I was far too generalized in my comments. It is a very complex subject. Here is some excellent reading on the subject. http://www.uis.unesco.org/Education/Documents/assessing_national_achievement_level_Edu.pdf
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
.... Earlier on Monday, Samsung attempted to scrap the entire case after Apple's closing arguments, saying the Cupertino-based company didn't meet its legal burden ...
The case isn't over for a week or more, how can it be after Apple's closing arguments?
The level of writing here is just ridiculously bad. I mean I know people say it every day, but you people should really be ashamed of yourselves. There are at least a dozen people who comment here on a regular basis that write better, more insightful, more accurate, and more detailed comments than the authors of the damned articles do.
I'm happy I lightened up your day.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
The case isn't over for a week or more, how can it be after Apple's closing arguments?
The level of writing here is just ridiculously bad. I mean I know people say it every day, but you people should really be ashamed of yourselves. There are at least a dozen people who comment here on a regular basis that write better, more insightful, more accurate, and more detailed comments than the authors of the damned articles do.
Apple's case is over.
Samsung will now present their counter-suit.
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Originally Posted by Red Oak
Korean translation of "learn from" = "copy"
It's very sad. It permeates Korean society. It's something Americans still do not understand
In nature to mimic is to evolve and survive. In Asian culture they are still surviving under that rule of nature. In western civilization we have adopted a more philosophical meaning of right and wrong in the Greek tradition, I'm not saying that one is right and the other wrong, only that sometimes they may have a different perspective regarding the meaning of the individualism or cultural identity. To copy something that is successful is natural.
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Originally Posted by digitalclips
You are totally correct, I was far too generalized in my comments. It is a very complex subject. Here is some excellent reading on the subject. http://www.uis.unesco.org/Education/Documents/assessing_national_achievement_level_Edu.pdf
That was a lazy response that answered none of my questions, but it confirmed that your racist remarks were actually sincere. How sad.
I'm not buying that story. We're beyond most species in determining what's right and wrong. To be a caveman watching a monkey crack open a coconut with a rock and mimicking that behavior for survival is one thing.
To be a CEO of a (Korean) company looking at a competitor's product and say "make our product just like theirs" and somehow rationalize that it's some sort of deep-rooted survival instinct, or a cultural thing is hogwash. He's intelligent enough to admit that he's copying something. But no, he feels it better to protect his ego and just downright lie about it than admit in public what he did was wrong.
It irks me when people try to establish psychological, cultural, or in this case, primordial-goo evolution theories to explain what is essentially a guy trying to con Apple. Fess up, pay your dues, and move on Samscum!
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Originally Posted by sflocal
I'm not buying that story. We're beyond most species in determining what's right and wrong. To be a caveman watching a monkey crack open a coconut with a rock and mimicking that behavior for survival is one thing.
To be a CEO of a (Korean) company looking at a competitor's product and say "make our product just like theirs" and somehow rationalize that it's some sort of deep-rooted survival instinct, or a cultural thing is hogwash. He's intelligent enough to admit that he's copying something. But no, he feels it better to protect his ego and just downright lie about it than admit in public what he did was wrong.
It irks me when people try to establish psychological, cultural, or in this case, primordial-goo evolution theories to explain what is essentially a guy trying to con Apple. Fess up, pay your dues, and move on Samscum!
I don't disagree with you. I'm predicting they are about to learn a lesson on the world stage. I understand their cultural tendencies but it doesn't mean I give them a pass or justify their actions.
"Good artists copies, great artists steal." Western society stole from Eastern societies a lot back in the day, but that's okay, no one cares, because its is to the benefit of the West, just like how Whale hunting was all fine and dandy when the Western world was exploiting that resource and hunting them to extinction.
BTW, Kia did hire a designer, Peter Schreyer, who designed the Audi TT (1998), A6 (1998), A3 (1996), VW New Beetle (1998), VW Golf (1998), among others. Samsung should learn from Kia.
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Originally Posted by rebe1
BTW, Kia did hire a designer, Peter Schreyer, who designed the Audi TT (1998), A6 (1998), A3 (1996), VW New Beetle (1998), VW Golf (1998), among others. Samsung should learn from Kia.
Well, they hired this guy:
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/chris-bangle-to-design-samsung-phones-and-laptops-32720.html
Please bear in mind that Apple has not been allowed to discover a major portion of the supporting documentation that would deny Samsung their story. The lack of email server evidence is major. I wonder if the server backups were destroyed too.
There are now two major points that Samsung is trying to make that could have been verified (or torn down) if email records were available.
(1) F700 was an independent development with some features in common with the iPhone.
(2) A designer once offered the opinion that Samsung should not directly copy the iPhone.
What both of these issues have in common is that they are cherry-picked to support Samsung and they both lack context.
It would be interesting to find out how many of the common design points that the F700 shared with Apple were discoverable from Apple parts already sourced from Samsung manufacturing at the time. It is probably a good thing for Samsung that the F700 argument is not being allowed into court as, from what I can see, all of the common features claimed as independent design by Samsung could have been derived from parts Apple likely had Samsung make. Overall dimension, outline, ear-slit etc. Was Samsung manufacturing iPhone screens at the time?
There is also the issue of what other internal prototypes did Samsung have in the works at the same time. What was their design theme? Samsung have cherry-picked an outlier design to make their case and in doing so have highlighted the likelihood that Apple design-values/formats were (and probably still are) being leaked internally from manufacturing. Bringing that up as evidence of independent design - that shows *real* contempt. Good thing point #1 above has been made moot by the judge.
Point #2 indicates that there was an email from a designer hoping that Samsung could do more than merely copy the iPhone. So what? In the absence of full context i.e. the other emails that made up any discussion of this issue, it is impossible to tell if this designer was listened to, sidelined, backed, put-off. Where is the email chain? Oh, that's right, nothing server-based is available. Can't do much with email sequence numbers to verify that this email is even real without a server dump (or, perhaps, server archives of the time). The email has little more relevance than heresay. Now Apple will have to get that designer on the stand to have him/her explain what was meant. An interesting question might be "why was the designer so worried about Samsung merely copying Apple that it warranted an internal email dialog". Warning of the issue does not defuse it. Did the designer contribute to the subsequently produced Samsung phones? Is that designer even still at the company and if not, why not?
Enquiring minds want to know... Must order more popcorn.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Well, they hired this guy:
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/chris-bangle-to-design-samsung-phones-and-laptops-32720.html
I mean, hire a guy that's good at designing