If samsung is so innovative they should have no trouble creating something new and original to compete with. Microsoft did. That would be good for customers.
Exactly. That's why this ruling is good for consumers. They are fully capable a creating innovative products, and will. They just tried to take a shortcut in the short term by copying to make a quick buck while they were trying to catch up. Nice to know the system works sometimes.
It's odd, though, how he can argue that it's not thermonuclear even if the judgement is upheld on appeal. He says that even if the judgment is upheld and Apple gets and injunction and Samsung has to redesign everything, it's not thermonuclear.
WTF? Apple wins over a billion dollars (possibly more because it was willful). Apple gets a ban on a wide range of Samsung products. Samsung has to redesign most of the rest of their products in a way that will be less appealing to consumers. And that's not thermonuclear? What would it take?
I don't think it's thermonuclear. $1 billion is just a slap on the wrist, that's how much they spent to market their products in the U.S. and they made $8 billion. They also won't have to redesign everything because their latest models are still allowed to be sold, and even if they did, the ball has already started rolling and they have enough fans to keep buying their products.
The problem with these court cases is that by the time of the verdict the marketplace has moved on. How many of these models are still on sale?
There was a recent court case which resulted in an import ban of a particular Nokia model. Fortunately for Nokia, they stopped manufacturing that model in over three years ago!
In my opinion, this is not Apple's thermonuclear win. Not yet. Sure, Samsung got dinged for $1B but they can afford to cover that sum. Samsung's newest models were not included in this case and will have to be tried in a separate case sometime in the future if Apple decides to go down that road. It's a cat-and-mouse really since Samsung comes out with newer products to offset the ones they are being sued over. I would love for Apple to get a permanent injunction against all Samsung products that infringe regardless of their release date. Despite what all the Fandroids say, this is definitely good for consumers and for technological innovation. Consumers will eventually have products that look different and act differently which were designed in-house not copied. This isn't going to destroy Samsung and personally, I don't want that to happen but I DO want Samsung to innovate by using their wealth to create products that are clearly their own.
This begs the question regarding retailers who have been rumored to steer customers away from the iPhone and toward Android/Samsung. There were reports of AT&T sales people doing this. I wonder what the big boys at AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, Best Buy are thinking now. Do they continue the pattern with the possibility that these products will be banned and retuned by angry customers? Or do they let the customer decide what product they want based on unbiased information? Time will tell.
And so you want a future where the only choice is iOS? Looks like that is where Apple is headed.
Really? Are you so caught up drinking the Android Koolaid that you can't see the other alternatives like Windows 8 and Blackberry? Neither of those two alternatives are being sued by Apple. They are competing fairly by acquiring the licenses needed from Apple (which Samsung had full opportunity to do as well but refused). Apple is never going to destroy Samsung (or Android) completely nor do I think that is their intention. They just want other phone manufacturers to compete fairly and that just isn't happening today.
And so you want a future where the only choice is iOS? Looks like that is where Apple is headed.
In case you didn't see my other post, take a break. The more you trip over your own legs like this, the worse your "arguments" (never had any to begin with) will become until you've lost all credibility even among your Android peers.
Come back with some fresh material after the iPhone launch.
And by fresh I don't mean, "LOOKS THE SAME APPLE IS DOOMED SAME PHONE FOR THREE YEARS OLOLOLO", of course.
Really? Are you so caught up drinking the Android Koolaid that you can't see the other alternatives like Windows 8 and Blackberry? Neither of those two alternatives are being sued by Apple. They are competing fairly by acquiring the licenses needed from Apple (which Samsung had full opportunity to do as well but refused). Apple is never going to destroy Samsung (or Android) completely nor do I think that is their intention. They just want other phone manufacturers to compete fairly and that just isn't happening today.
1. Don't put words in my mouth.
2. We own a Mac Mini, 2 Apple TVs, 2 iPhone 4's, 1 iPod 5th Gen, 1 iPod Nano 6th gen, 1 Roku XS, 1 Galaxy Nexus, 1 Samsung Focus.
I use Win 7 and OSX as well as BOTH iOS and Android, so don't paint some all-or-nothing BS blanket to build some strawman argument. As it stands, Windows Phone 7 is barely 2% of the market and know one really knows if it will expand once Windows Phone 8 is released. Blackberry...really? RIM is on life support at this point thanks to iOS and Android.
Apple claiming those are competition is a joke. Apple's only competition is Android...and mostly led by Samsung. Apple doesn't intend to totally destroy Android? Really? Are you going to keep using that mentality once Apple sues Google directly with the intent to erase it from existence? You can say what you want, but anyone with half a brain can see that Apple has every intention of dominating the market, while removing all the competition. What then? We have another MS for the 21st century.
The irony of this is that Samsung is opening (opened or building) an new plant south of here in Austin, TX to build chips for the iPhone. Apple (for better or worse) would be nowhere without Samsung.
1. Don't put words in my mouth.
2. We own a Mac Mini, 2 Apple TVs, 2 iPhone 4's, 1 iPod 5th Gen, 1 iPod Nano 6th gen, 1 Roku XS, 1 Galaxy Nexus, 1 Samsung Focus.
I use Win 7 and OSX as well as BOTH iOS and Android, so don't paint some all-or-nothing BS blanket to build some strawman argument. As it stands, Windows Phone 7 is barely 2% of the market and know one really knows if it will expand once Windows Phone 8 is released. Blackberry...really? RIM is on life support at this point thanks to iOS and Android.
Apple claiming those are competition is a joke. Apple's only competition is Android...and mostly led by Samsung. Apple doesn't intend to totally destroy Android? Really? Are you going to keep using that mentality once Apple sues Google directly with the intent to erase it from existence? You can say what you want, but anyone with half a brain can see that Apple has every intention of dominating the market, while removing all the competition. What then? We have another MS for the 21st century.
Apple does have every intention of dominating the market. That does not mean that they expect to remove all competition. In fact, history suggests that Apple has no problem with competition. They just have a problem when the competition steals their IP rather than coming up with something new.
But feel free to provide evidence to back your claim. After all, you claim that "anyone with half a brain" can see it so the evidence must be there, right? Or maybe you mean it literally - people who come up with these anti-Apple conspiracy theories only have half a brain. Yep, that must be it.
The irony of this is that Samsung is opening (opened or building) an new plant south of here in Austin, TX to build chips for the iPhone. Apple (for better or worse) would be nowhere without Samsung.
Completely unrelated issue. The fact that you're unable to distinguish between the situations suggests that you're not interested in serious discussion, anyway.
2. We own a Mac Mini, 2 Apple TVs, 2 iPhone 4's, 1 iPod 5th Gen, 1 iPod Nano 6th gen, 1 Roku XS, 1 Galaxy Nexus, 1 Samsung Focus.
I use Win 7 and OSX as well as BOTH iOS and Android, so don't paint some all-or-nothing BS blanket to build some strawman argument. As it stands, Windows Phone 7 is barely 2% of the market and know one really knows if it will expand once Windows Phone 8 is released. Blackberry...really? RIM is on life support at this point thanks to iOS and Android.
Apple claiming those are competition is a joke. Apple's only competition is Android...and mostly led by Samsung. Apple doesn't intend to totally destroy Android? Really? Are you going to keep using that mentality once Apple sues Google directly with the intent to erase it from existence? You can say what you want, but anyone with half a brain can see that Apple has every intention of dominating the market, while removing all the competition. What then? We have another MS for the 21st century.
The irony of this is that Samsung is opening (opened or building) an new plant south of here in Austin, TX to build chips for the iPhone. Apple (for better or worse) would be nowhere without Samsung.
Wow! First of all, I can go to any Android forum and state that I own a Galaxy SIII and sixteen Galaxy Nexus phones plus I use Windows 8 and Linux. (see anyone can play that game, it doesn't make them legitimate!). Apple won't sue Google. They have no reason to do so but keep dreaming that they will and maybe, in your warped reality, they will. Do you see Apple suing Nokia or Blackberry or Microsoft? No. Ask yourself why. As far as the new plant goes, please try to get it through your head that there are many different divisions that make up Samsung. They are separate entities even if they fall under the same parent so one division isn't about destroy the manufacturing orders of the other just because of this dispute. Neither company needs the other but they both recognize that their partnership is still bigger than the disagreements.
Do you see Apple suing Nokia or Blackberry or Microsoft? No. Ask yourself why.
Well, for the first one, they did sue, for the second, RIM isn't even doing ANYTHING to improve their products that they made five years ago, and by the time BlackBerry 10 gets anywhere near a "release" quality, the entire company will be bankrupt, and finally, they're not suing Microsoft because for once in their miserable existence, Microsoft did their own thing! And where Microsoft did NOT do their own thing, they ACTUALLY LICENSED stuff from Apple! There's no reason to sue.
Well, for the first one, they did sue, for the second, RIM isn't even doing ANYTHING to improve their products that they made five years ago, and by the time BlackBerry 10 gets anywhere near a "release" quality, the entire company will be bankrupt, and finally, they're not suing Microsoft because for once in their miserable existence, Microsoft did their own thing! And where Microsoft did NOT do their own thing, they ACTUALLY LICENSED stuff from Apple! There's no reason to sue.
I disagree. First, Nokia sued Apple and Apple countersued (which is standard practice in patent lawsuits, it seems). Regardless, Apple still pays Nokia licensing fees as a result. I think that Apple will continue to go after the manufacturers of Android phones (true, that now includes Google through their purchase of Motorola but that can still be construed as indirect involvement at this point). By going after the manufacturers, Apple can put enough pressure on them to pay licensing fees in the same way that Microsoft does with Android phone manufacturers. It's enough for Apple to make Android too expensive for Samsung et al. to use which ultimately serves the same purpose as suing Google in the first place. I do agree with your Microsoft analysis and that licensing is what I was referring to in my previous post.
CanadianDude, it's so simple. Gadget freaks go after latest hottest devices while brand name cultists they locked on previous brand even when it has 3G when everyone has 4G and 4G when everyone on LTE. Apple intention to dominate is clear because it's what every corporation is dreaming about. They go with small steps after the google. But US court can rule only over US market thus cannot kill as some suggest. Apple has no chances to score same win in EU because unlike US court who's guarding corporations EU court is focused on consumers and their protection. Remember Microsoft? Samsung victory over Apple in Korean court made me lol. Same fail jurisdiction system.
And so you want a future where the only choice is iOS? Looks like that is where Apple is headed.
What are you talking about? We already have this situation. You choose iOS and an iPhone or you choose a blatant copy of it. That's your choice today. What we want is true choice, not picking the real McCoy or a cheaper knock-off. There is a choice between iOS and Windows 8. At least Microsoft tried.
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Samsung should have paid to license the technology when Apple gave them the opportunity to.
Now that Apple is seeking an injunction against Samsung products violating their patents I feel no remorse for Samsung.
The products should be banned.
Exactly. That's why this ruling is good for consumers. They are fully capable a creating innovative products, and will. They just tried to take a shortcut in the short term by copying to make a quick buck while they were trying to catch up. Nice to know the system works sometimes.
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber
Somewhere, Steve is smiling.
Along with Tim Cook...
Finally our court system worked! Now only if our government would work just once in a while :-)
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Here's the summary on Foss Patents - you know, the site that googleguy used to like quoting all the time:
http://www.fosspatents.com
It's odd, though, how he can argue that it's not thermonuclear even if the judgement is upheld on appeal. He says that even if the judgment is upheld and Apple gets and injunction and Samsung has to redesign everything, it's not thermonuclear.
WTF? Apple wins over a billion dollars (possibly more because it was willful). Apple gets a ban on a wide range of Samsung products. Samsung has to redesign most of the rest of their products in a way that will be less appealing to consumers. And that's not thermonuclear? What would it take?
I don't think it's thermonuclear. $1 billion is just a slap on the wrist, that's how much they spent to market their products in the U.S. and they made $8 billion. They also won't have to redesign everything because their latest models are still allowed to be sold, and even if they did, the ball has already started rolling and they have enough fans to keep buying their products.
The problem with these court cases is that by the time of the verdict the marketplace has moved on. How many of these models are still on sale?
There was a recent court case which resulted in an import ban of a particular Nokia model. Fortunately for Nokia, they stopped manufacturing that model in over three years ago!
In my opinion, this is not Apple's thermonuclear win. Not yet. Sure, Samsung got dinged for $1B but they can afford to cover that sum. Samsung's newest models were not included in this case and will have to be tried in a separate case sometime in the future if Apple decides to go down that road. It's a cat-and-mouse really since Samsung comes out with newer products to offset the ones they are being sued over. I would love for Apple to get a permanent injunction against all Samsung products that infringe regardless of their release date. Despite what all the Fandroids say, this is definitely good for consumers and for technological innovation. Consumers will eventually have products that look different and act differently which were designed in-house not copied. This isn't going to destroy Samsung and personally, I don't want that to happen but I DO want Samsung to innovate by using their wealth to create products that are clearly their own.
This begs the question regarding retailers who have been rumored to steer customers away from the iPhone and toward Android/Samsung. There were reports of AT&T sales people doing this. I wonder what the big boys at AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, Best Buy are thinking now. Do they continue the pattern with the possibility that these products will be banned and retuned by angry customers? Or do they let the customer decide what product they want based on unbiased information? Time will tell.
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple
Boom! What's that mushroom cloud I see? Looks Thermonuclear to me... You getting all this Google?! Android's next...
And so you want a future where the only choice is iOS? Looks like that is where Apple is headed.
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Originally Posted by lamewing
And so you want a future where the only choice is iOS? Looks like that is where Apple is headed.
Really? Are you so caught up drinking the Android Koolaid that you can't see the other alternatives like Windows 8 and Blackberry? Neither of those two alternatives are being sued by Apple. They are competing fairly by acquiring the licenses needed from Apple (which Samsung had full opportunity to do as well but refused). Apple is never going to destroy Samsung (or Android) completely nor do I think that is their intention. They just want other phone manufacturers to compete fairly and that just isn't happening today.
Originally Posted by lamewing
And so you want a future where the only choice is iOS? Looks like that is where Apple is headed.
In case you didn't see my other post, take a break. The more you trip over your own legs like this, the worse your "arguments" (never had any to begin with) will become until you've lost all credibility even among your Android peers.
Come back with some fresh material after the iPhone launch.
And by fresh I don't mean, "LOOKS THE SAME APPLE IS DOOMED SAME PHONE FOR THREE YEARS OLOLOLO", of course.
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Originally Posted by CanadianDude
Really? Are you so caught up drinking the Android Koolaid that you can't see the other alternatives like Windows 8 and Blackberry? Neither of those two alternatives are being sued by Apple. They are competing fairly by acquiring the licenses needed from Apple (which Samsung had full opportunity to do as well but refused). Apple is never going to destroy Samsung (or Android) completely nor do I think that is their intention. They just want other phone manufacturers to compete fairly and that just isn't happening today.
1. Don't put words in my mouth.
2. We own a Mac Mini, 2 Apple TVs, 2 iPhone 4's, 1 iPod 5th Gen, 1 iPod Nano 6th gen, 1 Roku XS, 1 Galaxy Nexus, 1 Samsung Focus.
I use Win 7 and OSX as well as BOTH iOS and Android, so don't paint some all-or-nothing BS blanket to build some strawman argument. As it stands, Windows Phone 7 is barely 2% of the market and know one really knows if it will expand once Windows Phone 8 is released. Blackberry...really? RIM is on life support at this point thanks to iOS and Android.
Apple claiming those are competition is a joke. Apple's only competition is Android...and mostly led by Samsung. Apple doesn't intend to totally destroy Android? Really? Are you going to keep using that mentality once Apple sues Google directly with the intent to erase it from existence? You can say what you want, but anyone with half a brain can see that Apple has every intention of dominating the market, while removing all the competition. What then? We have another MS for the 21st century.
The irony of this is that Samsung is opening (opened or building) an new plant south of here in Austin, TX to build chips for the iPhone. Apple (for better or worse) would be nowhere without Samsung.
Apple does have every intention of dominating the market. That does not mean that they expect to remove all competition. In fact, history suggests that Apple has no problem with competition. They just have a problem when the competition steals their IP rather than coming up with something new.
But feel free to provide evidence to back your claim. After all, you claim that "anyone with half a brain" can see it so the evidence must be there, right? Or maybe you mean it literally - people who come up with these anti-Apple conspiracy theories only have half a brain. Yep, that must be it.
Completely unrelated issue. The fact that you're unable to distinguish between the situations suggests that you're not interested in serious discussion, anyway.
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Originally Posted by lamewing
1. Don't put words in my mouth.
2. We own a Mac Mini, 2 Apple TVs, 2 iPhone 4's, 1 iPod 5th Gen, 1 iPod Nano 6th gen, 1 Roku XS, 1 Galaxy Nexus, 1 Samsung Focus.
I use Win 7 and OSX as well as BOTH iOS and Android, so don't paint some all-or-nothing BS blanket to build some strawman argument. As it stands, Windows Phone 7 is barely 2% of the market and know one really knows if it will expand once Windows Phone 8 is released. Blackberry...really? RIM is on life support at this point thanks to iOS and Android.
Apple claiming those are competition is a joke. Apple's only competition is Android...and mostly led by Samsung. Apple doesn't intend to totally destroy Android? Really? Are you going to keep using that mentality once Apple sues Google directly with the intent to erase it from existence? You can say what you want, but anyone with half a brain can see that Apple has every intention of dominating the market, while removing all the competition. What then? We have another MS for the 21st century.
The irony of this is that Samsung is opening (opened or building) an new plant south of here in Austin, TX to build chips for the iPhone. Apple (for better or worse) would be nowhere without Samsung.
Wow! First of all, I can go to any Android forum and state that I own a Galaxy SIII and sixteen Galaxy Nexus phones plus I use Windows 8 and Linux. (see anyone can play that game, it doesn't make them legitimate!). Apple won't sue Google. They have no reason to do so but keep dreaming that they will and maybe, in your warped reality, they will. Do you see Apple suing Nokia or Blackberry or Microsoft? No. Ask yourself why. As far as the new plant goes, please try to get it through your head that there are many different divisions that make up Samsung. They are separate entities even if they fall under the same parent so one division isn't about destroy the manufacturing orders of the other just because of this dispute. Neither company needs the other but they both recognize that their partnership is still bigger than the disagreements.
Originally Posted by CanadianDude
Apple won't sue Google.
Of course they will.
Do you see Apple suing Nokia or Blackberry or Microsoft? No. Ask yourself why.
Well, for the first one, they did sue, for the second, RIM isn't even doing ANYTHING to improve their products that they made five years ago, and by the time BlackBerry 10 gets anywhere near a "release" quality, the entire company will be bankrupt, and finally, they're not suing Microsoft because for once in their miserable existence, Microsoft did their own thing! And where Microsoft did NOT do their own thing, they ACTUALLY LICENSED stuff from Apple! There's no reason to sue.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Of course they will.
Well, for the first one, they did sue, for the second, RIM isn't even doing ANYTHING to improve their products that they made five years ago, and by the time BlackBerry 10 gets anywhere near a "release" quality, the entire company will be bankrupt, and finally, they're not suing Microsoft because for once in their miserable existence, Microsoft did their own thing! And where Microsoft did NOT do their own thing, they ACTUALLY LICENSED stuff from Apple! There's no reason to sue.
I disagree. First, Nokia sued Apple and Apple countersued (which is standard practice in patent lawsuits, it seems). Regardless, Apple still pays Nokia licensing fees as a result. I think that Apple will continue to go after the manufacturers of Android phones (true, that now includes Google through their purchase of Motorola but that can still be construed as indirect involvement at this point). By going after the manufacturers, Apple can put enough pressure on them to pay licensing fees in the same way that Microsoft does with Android phone manufacturers. It's enough for Apple to make Android too expensive for Samsung et al. to use which ultimately serves the same purpose as suing Google in the first place. I do agree with your Microsoft analysis and that licensing is what I was referring to in my previous post.
What a splendid idea.
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Originally Posted by lamewing
And so you want a future where the only choice is iOS? Looks like that is where Apple is headed.
What are you talking about? We already have this situation. You choose iOS and an iPhone or you choose a blatant copy of it. That's your choice today. What we want is true choice, not picking the real McCoy or a cheaper knock-off. There is a choice between iOS and Windows 8. At least Microsoft tried.