I bookmarked an old article by Daniel when it came out. It was dated April 14, 2010 and was titled, "Chronicles of Conflict: The History of Adobe and Apple." (http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/04/14/chronicles-of-conflict-the-history-of-adobe-vs-apple/). It is an unusual post for Daniel because it was written as a parable. It came out at around the time that Steve emphasized his decision that Apple would never support Flash on any of its mobile devices.
I figure it is well worth rereading on the anniversary of Steve's resignation as CEO and the day the verdict was handed down in Judge Koh's court.
My favorite passage was the section titled, "A Revelaton of Adobe" and began with the following paragraph:
"And Adobe saw four horsemen of the apocalypse ascending from the sea, the rider of the white horse was Steve Jobs and he was bent on conquest. And a second horse, red, was given to iPhone to take away market share from smartphones, and to cause phone makers to wage war and to fall upon their own swords. And a third horse, black, was carrying the scales of the iPod touch, and it measured out music playback from iTunes and sold many apps and starved other mobile platforms of mobile application demand. And fourth horse, pale, had a rider named iPad, which pundits called Death. And it caused famine for tablets and plague for slates and killed with a sword. And none of the horsemen used Flash."
Tragically, Steve no longer walks the earth, but he still rides the white horse.
The challenge has been thrown down: can someone out-Apple Apple?
That's what it's going to take. Set the bar even higher than Apple. Imagine if all these also-rans started taking the User Experience seriously. Imagine how much further along we'd be.
All it takes is to *stop* the race to the bottom and start focusing on creating a Premium User Experience. Unfortunately, that's tough to do with someone else's whored-out OS. Too bad. The challenge is out there now.
I'll save my comments till later when people start posting stupid stuff..
But I got to admit.. Regardless of Bias
DED has has mastered the English language narrative in comparison to most of what is posted online.
The writers for WSJ, CNN, BBC, NYT, etc.... Need to hire more people that can write as clearly as DED
The language maybe, and definitely "a style" - I'll be reading along and say, hey, this is a DED article - and it almost always is...
Apparently, though, either he or someone in "Editorial" often either turns off or ignores the spell-checker.... ...a frequent AI failing, btw. (Does AI even have a breathing copy editor?)
"This is particularly notable because Apple perviously failed in its efforts to protect the original Macintosh user interface via copyright claims..."
"WIth that now a matter of record....."
"...setting the stage for more complex trials arguing followup claims..."
Giddyup.....
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
While I agree, some can write more concisely.
Really, I'm just glad that there weren't any broken quotation marks this time. I know I'd miss at least most of them, going through to edit.
Which is not to diminish your madd edit skillz, TS....
(PS: I GET to misspell things, because I'm the pedant here....)
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Originally Posted by Vadania
I'm both surprised and happy that they even let you edit their "story". I also commend you for helping everyone involved. You're assisting both the writers as would an editor, and us readers as well.
You are using your position as Moderator to benefit others in that regard.
I hope I speak for all readers, posters and writers when I say "Thank you very much!".
Indeed....
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Someone please save this message for posterity. You don't often hear praise for DED's writing.
Double indeed....
PS: To recirculate an moldie oldie from the early days of PC Word Processors, did you ever hear the one about the wizard who accidentally turned himself into a toad because he forgot to use his Spell Checker??
been reading a lot of the media reports. nearly all miss the key outcomes:
- Samsung will have to settle with Apple. this isn't the only Apple lawsuit, another is pending that includes all the newer Samsung models this case didn't, and that judgement could be a lot bigger. but in addition, Apple is still Samsung's biggest customer! if Samsung keeps this war going with years of appeals, Apple will dump them permanently.
- and after all, thanks to slavishly copying Apple, Samsung has become the world's #1 smartphone OEM in terms of production (not profit). it wants to hang on to that to position versus all the other OEM's and not get bogged down for years by the uncertainty of lawsuits it may well lose.
- and we learned from the trial that Apple will, in fact, license its patents. that will be the basis for the settlement. Samsung would probably accept Apple's offer if it can carve out enough exceptions/tiers for the full scope of its global range of products.
- i think Apple will cut a deal with Samsung on such terms, provided that Samsung really agrees to end its "copytition" tactics. Apple wants to move on and go after all the other OEM's now.
- to limit those licensing costs and avoid future litigation, Samsung will greatly revise its TouchWiz Android skin ASAP. it may even "fork" Android to re-write some of its OS code. (i don't know if Samsung's Bada is really a feasible alternative for US/Europe products).
- all the other Android OEM's will do this too ASAP, for the same reasons. which means we will actually see more new ideas for smartphone UI's than we have so far. the anti-consumer whine about this verdict is bullshit, actually more creative options will come to market as a result.
- except maybe Google/Motorola. Google might stubbornly decide to fight Apple to the bitter end, still hoping for a court victory. but that would be stupid, because it would greatly increase the incentive for all the OEM's to "fork" Android soon to avoid legal hassles and license fees with Apple. Google would be much smarter to re-work Android substantially enough with a new version next year to avoid Apple conflicts in the future.
- yes, as many note, this does make RIM an attractive take-over target for its QNX OS. and if HP had any sense, it might even resurrect WebOS - they were stupid to kill it.
- to the extent that Android fragments even more than it has next year because of all this (depends on Google), it will help MS/Nokia Windows 8 somewhat as many assume. but the success or failure of W8 overall will still be decided by consumers' reaction to it.
Xerox did not wanting to sell products, Apple was one of the company who came to Xerox to see their research.
Apple was impressed, bought rights. Apple developed technology to make UI possible and better on common hardware (motorola at the time). The mouse was also developed to be a real product, not a prototype costing hundred of $.
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you can also see how Apple, Xerox and Adobe worked to develop the first laser printer.
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Originally Posted by eric475
I wish there were more companies emulating Apple. Alas, Xerox fumbled when it had the chance. Apple would never steal anything. Period.
Xerox at the time were concentrating on a server/workstation system they were prepping for the market at about $16K a pop for each workstation and about double that or more for the server, and were happy to license their GUI software to Apple for $1 million in AAPL shares, They also had Ethernet (which they licensed to Intel and DEC) and PostScript (which later spun off to become Adobe) among several other in-house technological marvels their R&D people were churning out.
They were innovators that had no idea at the time of the value of what their techs were playing around with, swimming as they were in oceans of profit from global photocopier royalties. Jobs and Wozniak's amazement at the GUI and Intel/DEC's shock at seeing Ethernet were just amusing to them. If only they could have seen 10, 20 years ahead, if only...
been reading a lot of the media reports. nearly all miss the key outcomes:
- Samsung will have to settle with Apple. this isn't the only Apple lawsuit, another is pending that includes all the newer Samsung models this case didn't, and that judgement could be a lot bigger. but in addition, Apple is still Samsung's biggest customer! if Samsung keeps this war going with years of appeals, Apple will dump them permanently.
- and after all, thanks to slavishly copying Apple, Samsung has become the world's #1 smartphone OEM in terms of production (not profit). it wants to hang on to that to position versus all the other OEM's and not get bogged down for years by the uncertainty of lawsuits it may well lose.
- and we learned from the trial that Apple will, in fact, license its patents. that will be the basis for the settlement. Samsung would probably accept Apple's offer if it can carve out enough exceptions/tiers for the full scope of its global range of products.
- i think Apple will cut a deal with Samsung on such terms, provided that Samsung really agrees to end its "copytition" tactics. Apple wants to move on and go after all the other OEM's now.
- to limit those licensing costs and avoid future litigation, Samsung will greatly revise its TouchWiz Android skin ASAP. it may even "fork" Android to re-write some of its OS code. (i don't know if Samsung's Bada is really a feasible alternative for US/Europe products).
- all the other Android OEM's will do this too ASAP, for the same reasons. which means we will actually see more new ideas for smartphone UI's than we have so far. the anti-consumer whine about this verdict is bullshit, actually more creative options will come to market as a result.
- except maybe Google/Motorola. Google might stubbornly decide to fight Apple to the bitter end, still hoping for a court victory. but that would be stupid, because it would greatly increase the incentive for all the OEM's to "fork" Android soon to avoid legal hassles and license fees with Apple. Google would be much smarter to re-work Android substantially enough with a new version next year to avoid Apple conflicts in the future.
- yes, as many note, this does make RIM an attractive take-over target for its QNX OS. and if HP had any sense, it might even resurrect WebOS - they were stupid to kill it.
- to the extent that Android fragments even more than it has next year because of all this (depends on Google), it will help MS/Nokia Windows 8 somewhat as many assume. but the success or failure of W8 overall will still be decided by consumers' reaction to it.
I think this may also make Nokia an attractive target as well but mostly for patents. If Nokia doesn't do something soon they risk becoming easy prey. With more than 40,000 total patents (15,897 U.S. patents issued (with an average remaining term of 13.8 years) and 4,453 U.S. patent applications as well as approximately 20,000 foreign patents). In a review of 4G LTE technologies, Nokia held 18.9% of the total 3,144 essential 4G LTE patents in circulation. Notably, Nokia is also a leader in mapping and navigation technologies including NAVTEQ (purchased for more than $8 bn) and Aquity Mobile embedded advertising platform for location targeted advertising. The value of Nokia patents may be greater than the value of the company as a business entity. Apple may be able convince Nokia to sell a number of corporate assets including patents for a cash injection and patent infringement immunity.
Apparently, there were several technical people on the jury, so it wasn't a case of totally inept people making the decision.
Unfortunately, they didn't have a business person on the jury. They based their damages on Samsung's use of NET income vs Apple's use of gross margin. Gross margin makes far more sense in this context since the remaining costs are fixed. Essentially, Samsung got to keep about 60% of the money they stole.
I think this may also make Nokia an attractive target as well but mostly for patents. If Nokia doesn't do something soon they risk becoming easy prey. With more than 40,000 total patents (15,897 U.S. patents issued (with an average remaining term of 13.8 years) and 4,453 U.S. patent applications as well as approximately 20,000 foreign patents). In a review of 4G LTE technologies, Nokia held 18.9% of the total 3,144 essential 4G LTE patents in circulation. Notably, Nokia is also a leader in mapping and navigation technologies including NAVTEQ (purchased for more than $8 bn) and Aquity Mobile embedded advertising platform for location targeted advertising. The value of Nokia patents may be greater than the value of the company as a business entity. Apple may be able convince Nokia to sell a number of corporate assets including patents for a cash injection and patent infringement immunity.
yup, you're right. but like many i assume Nokia is in the process of a thinly disguised take over by MS, and has been from the day Elop got there (what total suckers/fools, its board of directors). no doubt when they settled after he arrived, Apple and Nokia agreed not to assert claims against each other (just like Apple and MS did).
Apparently, there were several technical people on the jury, so it wasn't a case of totally inept people making the decision.
Unfortunately, they didn't have a business person on the jury. They based their damages on Samsung's use of NET income vs Apple's use of gross margin. Gross margin makes far more sense in this context since the remaining costs are fixed. Essentially, Samsung got to keep about 60% of the money they stole.
The foreman may be guilty of juror misconduct because he says he used his personal expertise in the area of patents to guide him (and presumably the other jurors as well) in reaching their verdict.
Quite apart from that, potential errors by the trial court and fundamental issues about patents will, no doubt, be reviewed on appeal.
I am surprised that a number of Apple's patents were not invalidated by the court, before ever submitting the case to the jury, as they are, quite frankly, obvious and there were examples of prior art.
I will say that Samsung's attorneys appear to have let one or more juror slip through who they should have been able to exclude...specifically, the foreman.
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I figure it is well worth rereading on the anniversary of Steve's resignation as CEO and the day the verdict was handed down in Judge Koh's court.
My favorite passage was the section titled, "A Revelaton of Adobe" and began with the following paragraph:
"And Adobe saw four horsemen of the apocalypse ascending from the sea, the rider of the white horse was Steve Jobs and he was bent on conquest. And a second horse, red, was given to iPhone to take away market share from smartphones, and to cause phone makers to wage war and to fall upon their own swords. And a third horse, black, was carrying the scales of the iPod touch, and it measured out music playback from iTunes and sold many apps and starved other mobile platforms of mobile application demand. And fourth horse, pale, had a rider named iPad, which pundits called Death. And it caused famine for tablets and plague for slates and killed with a sword. And none of the horsemen used Flash."
Tragically, Steve no longer walks the earth, but he still rides the white horse.
What questions?
The challenge has been thrown down: can someone out-Apple Apple?
That's what it's going to take. Set the bar even higher than Apple. Imagine if all these also-rans started taking the User Experience seriously. Imagine how much further along we'd be.
All it takes is to *stop* the race to the bottom and start focusing on creating a Premium User Experience. Unfortunately, that's tough to do with someone else's whored-out OS. Too bad. The challenge is out there now.
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Someone please save this message for posterity. You don't often hear praise for DED's writing.
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lolololz
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Originally Posted by Spacepower
I'll save my comments till later when people start posting stupid stuff..
But I got to admit.. Regardless of Bias
DED has has mastered the English language narrative in comparison to most of what is posted online.
The writers for WSJ, CNN, BBC, NYT, etc.... Need to hire more people that can write as clearly as DED
The language maybe, and definitely "a style" - I'll be reading along and say, hey, this is a DED article - and it almost always is...
Apparently, though, either he or someone in "Editorial" often either turns off or ignores the spell-checker.... ...a frequent AI failing, btw. (Does AI even have a breathing copy editor?)
"This is particularly notable because Apple perviously failed in its efforts to protect the original Macintosh user interface via copyright claims..."
"WIth that now a matter of record....."
"...setting the stage for more complex trials arguing followup claims..."
Giddyup.....
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
While I agree, some can write more concisely.
Really, I'm just glad that there weren't any broken quotation marks this time. I know I'd miss at least most of them, going through to edit.
Which is not to diminish your madd edit skillz, TS....
(PS: I GET to misspell things, because I'm the pedant here....)
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Originally Posted by Vadania
I'm both surprised and happy that they even let you edit their "story". I also commend you for helping everyone involved. You're assisting both the writers as would an editor, and us readers as well.
You are using your position as Moderator to benefit others in that regard.
I hope I speak for all readers, posters and writers when I say "Thank you very much!".
Indeed....
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Someone please save this message for posterity. You don't often hear praise for DED's writing.
Double indeed....
PS: To recirculate an moldie oldie from the early days of PC Word Processors, did you ever hear the one about the wizard who accidentally turned himself into a toad because he forgot to use his Spell Checker??
been reading a lot of the media reports. nearly all miss the key outcomes:
- Samsung will have to settle with Apple. this isn't the only Apple lawsuit, another is pending that includes all the newer Samsung models this case didn't, and that judgement could be a lot bigger. but in addition, Apple is still Samsung's biggest customer! if Samsung keeps this war going with years of appeals, Apple will dump them permanently.
- and after all, thanks to slavishly copying Apple, Samsung has become the world's #1 smartphone OEM in terms of production (not profit). it wants to hang on to that to position versus all the other OEM's and not get bogged down for years by the uncertainty of lawsuits it may well lose.
- and we learned from the trial that Apple will, in fact, license its patents. that will be the basis for the settlement. Samsung would probably accept Apple's offer if it can carve out enough exceptions/tiers for the full scope of its global range of products.
- i think Apple will cut a deal with Samsung on such terms, provided that Samsung really agrees to end its "copytition" tactics. Apple wants to move on and go after all the other OEM's now.
- to limit those licensing costs and avoid future litigation, Samsung will greatly revise its TouchWiz Android skin ASAP. it may even "fork" Android to re-write some of its OS code. (i don't know if Samsung's Bada is really a feasible alternative for US/Europe products).
- all the other Android OEM's will do this too ASAP, for the same reasons. which means we will actually see more new ideas for smartphone UI's than we have so far. the anti-consumer whine about this verdict is bullshit, actually more creative options will come to market as a result.
- except maybe Google/Motorola. Google might stubbornly decide to fight Apple to the bitter end, still hoping for a court victory. but that would be stupid, because it would greatly increase the incentive for all the OEM's to "fork" Android soon to avoid legal hassles and license fees with Apple. Google would be much smarter to re-work Android substantially enough with a new version next year to avoid Apple conflicts in the future.
- yes, as many note, this does make RIM an attractive take-over target for its QNX OS. and if HP had any sense, it might even resurrect WebOS - they were stupid to kill it.
- to the extent that Android fragments even more than it has next year because of all this (depends on Google), it will help MS/Nokia Windows 8 somewhat as many assume. but the success or failure of W8 overall will still be decided by consumers' reaction to it.
im laughing right now
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Originally Posted by oomu
Apple never stole xerox.
Xerox did not wanting to sell products, Apple was one of the company who came to Xerox to see their research.
Apple was impressed, bought rights. Apple developed technology to make UI possible and better on common hardware (motorola at the time). The mouse was also developed to be a real product, not a prototype costing hundred of $.
-
you can also see how Apple, Xerox and Adobe worked to develop the first laser printer.
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Originally Posted by eric475
I wish there were more companies emulating Apple. Alas, Xerox fumbled when it had the chance. Apple would never steal anything. Period.
Xerox at the time were concentrating on a server/workstation system they were prepping for the market at about $16K a pop for each workstation and about double that or more for the server, and were happy to license their GUI software to Apple for $1 million in AAPL shares, They also had Ethernet (which they licensed to Intel and DEC) and PostScript (which later spun off to become Adobe) among several other in-house technological marvels their R&D people were churning out.
They were innovators that had no idea at the time of the value of what their techs were playing around with, swimming as they were in oceans of profit from global photocopier royalties. Jobs and Wozniak's amazement at the GUI and Intel/DEC's shock at seeing Ethernet were just amusing to them. If only they could have seen 10, 20 years ahead, if only...
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Originally Posted by Alfiejr
been reading a lot of the media reports. nearly all miss the key outcomes:
- Samsung will have to settle with Apple. this isn't the only Apple lawsuit, another is pending that includes all the newer Samsung models this case didn't, and that judgement could be a lot bigger. but in addition, Apple is still Samsung's biggest customer! if Samsung keeps this war going with years of appeals, Apple will dump them permanently.
- and after all, thanks to slavishly copying Apple, Samsung has become the world's #1 smartphone OEM in terms of production (not profit). it wants to hang on to that to position versus all the other OEM's and not get bogged down for years by the uncertainty of lawsuits it may well lose.
- and we learned from the trial that Apple will, in fact, license its patents. that will be the basis for the settlement. Samsung would probably accept Apple's offer if it can carve out enough exceptions/tiers for the full scope of its global range of products.
- i think Apple will cut a deal with Samsung on such terms, provided that Samsung really agrees to end its "copytition" tactics. Apple wants to move on and go after all the other OEM's now.
- to limit those licensing costs and avoid future litigation, Samsung will greatly revise its TouchWiz Android skin ASAP. it may even "fork" Android to re-write some of its OS code. (i don't know if Samsung's Bada is really a feasible alternative for US/Europe products).
- all the other Android OEM's will do this too ASAP, for the same reasons. which means we will actually see more new ideas for smartphone UI's than we have so far. the anti-consumer whine about this verdict is bullshit, actually more creative options will come to market as a result.
- except maybe Google/Motorola. Google might stubbornly decide to fight Apple to the bitter end, still hoping for a court victory. but that would be stupid, because it would greatly increase the incentive for all the OEM's to "fork" Android soon to avoid legal hassles and license fees with Apple. Google would be much smarter to re-work Android substantially enough with a new version next year to avoid Apple conflicts in the future.
- yes, as many note, this does make RIM an attractive take-over target for its QNX OS. and if HP had any sense, it might even resurrect WebOS - they were stupid to kill it.
- to the extent that Android fragments even more than it has next year because of all this (depends on Google), it will help MS/Nokia Windows 8 somewhat as many assume. but the success or failure of W8 overall will still be decided by consumers' reaction to it.
#next_pages_container { width: 5px; hight: 5px; position: absolute; top: -100px; left: -100px; z-index: 2147483647 !important; }I think this may also make Nokia an attractive target as well but mostly for patents. If Nokia doesn't do something soon they risk becoming easy prey. With more than 40,000 total patents (15,897 U.S. patents issued (with an average remaining term of 13.8 years) and 4,453 U.S. patent applications as well as approximately 20,000 foreign patents). In a review of 4G LTE technologies, Nokia held 18.9% of the total 3,144 essential 4G LTE patents in circulation. Notably, Nokia is also a leader in mapping and navigation technologies including NAVTEQ (purchased for more than $8 bn) and Aquity Mobile embedded advertising platform for location targeted advertising. The value of Nokia patents may be greater than the value of the company as a business entity. Apple may be able convince Nokia to sell a number of corporate assets including patents for a cash injection and patent infringement immunity.
1. brnichols. Published 21 August 2012. Nokia Patent Portfolio An Untapped Goldmine. Seeking Alpha. Retrieved 25 August 2012.
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bleh
http://news.yahoo.com/jury-didnt-want-let-samsung-off-easy-apple-180235635--sector.html
Apparently, there were several technical people on the jury, so it wasn't a case of totally inept people making the decision.
Unfortunately, they didn't have a business person on the jury. They based their damages on Samsung's use of NET income vs Apple's use of gross margin. Gross margin makes far more sense in this context since the remaining costs are fixed. Essentially, Samsung got to keep about 60% of the money they stole.
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I think this may also make Nokia an attractive target as well but mostly for patents. If Nokia doesn't do something soon they risk becoming easy prey. With more than 40,000 total patents (15,897 U.S. patents issued (with an average remaining term of 13.8 years) and 4,453 U.S. patent applications as well as approximately 20,000 foreign patents). In a review of 4G LTE technologies, Nokia held 18.9% of the total 3,144 essential 4G LTE patents in circulation. Notably, Nokia is also a leader in mapping and navigation technologies including NAVTEQ (purchased for more than $8 bn) and Aquity Mobile embedded advertising platform for location targeted advertising. The value of Nokia patents may be greater than the value of the company as a business entity. Apple may be able convince Nokia to sell a number of corporate assets including patents for a cash injection and patent infringement immunity.
1. brnichols. Published 21 August 2012. Nokia Patent Portfolio An Untapped Goldmine. Seeking Alpha. Retrieved 25 August 2012.
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yup, you're right. but like many i assume Nokia is in the process of a thinly disguised take over by MS, and has been from the day Elop got there (what total suckers/fools, its board of directors). no doubt when they settled after he arrived, Apple and Nokia agreed not to assert claims against each other (just like Apple and MS did).
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Originally Posted by airmanchairman
None of the companies had any idea how large the market for "PCs" would become. Not IBM, not Xerox, not even Apple.
One thing that "changed everything" is the internet. Without it many people believe the "PC" market would be dramatically smaller.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
BTW, Reuters interviewed the foreman:
http://news.yahoo.com/jury-didnt-want-let-samsung-off-easy-apple-180235635--sector.html
Apparently, there were several technical people on the jury, so it wasn't a case of totally inept people making the decision.
Unfortunately, they didn't have a business person on the jury. They based their damages on Samsung's use of NET income vs Apple's use of gross margin. Gross margin makes far more sense in this context since the remaining costs are fixed. Essentially, Samsung got to keep about 60% of the money they stole.
The foreman may be guilty of juror misconduct because he says he used his personal expertise in the area of patents to guide him (and presumably the other jurors as well) in reaching their verdict.
Quite apart from that, potential errors by the trial court and fundamental issues about patents will, no doubt, be reviewed on appeal.
I am surprised that a number of Apple's patents were not invalidated by the court, before ever submitting the case to the jury, as they are, quite frankly, obvious and there were examples of prior art.
I will say that Samsung's attorneys appear to have let one or more juror slip through who they should have been able to exclude...specifically, the foreman.
The fat lady has not yet sung in this matter.