I think I said "eventually". It may take two years, five years, a decade, who knows..., but it will eventually become just one shape [or perhaps none - because in the future we can start speaking telepathically even over a long distance with a quantum phone].
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Fortunately, phones like the Nokia 900 don't exist to prove you wrong.
few here in the US really understand Samsung, and why it reacts this total-in-denial way.
Samsung dominates Korea - not just economically, but politically and even socially - to a degree that no American corporation has ever come close to, even at the peak of the robber baron era. as a result, Samsung's leaderhip live inside a bubble of total arrogance about its own superior mandate that we just don't really get. the closest thing to it we are familiar with is, maybe, the Pope.
so it looks like they'll have to lose their appeal and a second round of Apple lawsuits, due to come to trial next year on the newer products not included in this case, before they finally accept the necessity of paying Apple for a license.
samsung a rambling secretive conglomerate is family controlled with multimillionaire family members suing EACH OTHER in court. Samsung probably controls 20% of Korea's GDP, for years no one has dared stand against them (until Steve Jobs!) and many government and court officials don't dare to fart without their permission, for example:
Kee Kun Hee, chairman of Samsung was convicted of fraud, tax evasion etc, sentenced to jail and then PARDONED by the Korean President:
wikipedia
"Seoul Central District Court found him guilty on charges of financial wrongdoing and tax evasion. Prosecutors requested that Lee be sentenced to seven years in prison and fined $347 million. The court fined him $109 million and sentenced him to 3 years suspended jail time. Lee has not responded to the verdict.[5]On December 29, 2009, the South Korean government moved to pardon Lee Kun-hee."
I don't even know where to begin. First of all, there might be people running around with betas and RCs of Win8 and WP8 software and they may tout the hell out of it...most likely cause they are evangelists and are paid to tout the hell out of Microsoft stuff, but W8/WP8 is not out to the masses yet. WP7/WP7.5 still has no real user base and so many people are betting their farms on W8/WP8. For one thing, there's a pretty good divide between people who like W8's new touch UI and those that just want it to get the hell out of their way. That's Microsoft's biggest issue usually is that Windows is so bloated up it generally can't even get out of it's own way let alone your way.
The Windows extremists (I don't even bother with calling them fanatics anymore) are saying the Surface will wipe everything. It doesn't even exist yet in any meaningful manner and as far as I've seen, nobody has actually really tested one or any form of a development model or anything. These people are so desperate to win at something that they will now basically resort to saying they've already won when the thing that has won the competition for them isn't even...well...real yet.
"Hey, neat! It has a keyboard built into the cover! Can I try it?"
"No."
"Oh, well can I see what the specs on this bad boy are through the Control Panel?"
"No."
"Can I do anything outside of this stupid useless demo app?"
"No."
"Oh. Um...well it looks like a winner to me either way. You see this, Apple!? We just won the game again. Call Balmer, we need to do a funeral for the iPad."
So will Samsung be allowed to put it's new touch UI (likely called TouchPoop) over WinPhone 8's standard interface? I mean how can they continue to make an iPhone when the OS UI doesn't look like the iPhone's?
Please tell me that article was a joke. Or satire, like the Onion. Please. Because I don't think my faith in humanity and common sense can drop any lower.
"Samsung has been in talks with major U.S. carriers to jointly develop modified design technology. This will be effective, though we can?t unveil more details for the time being."
For some reason, I'm imagining carrier partners gluing cases on phones to hide the infringing phones physical designs.
Brillant move Same-sung! Partner with Microsoft on the failed Windows Phone more so than you already have. The new Windows Phone 8 looks even worse than the first version, if that is possible. Unless, Same-sung is going to put their iOS cloner interface bloatware on top of the Windows Phone. But...Microsoft can not come to defend their partner when Apple sues for that, as Microsoft would lose all their rights to Apples phone patents due to the non-clone cause. Same-sung really is stupid.
Yet another example of Samsung trying to abuse the FRAND system. I can't wait to see it bite them HARD.
BTW, just when you think that the Apple haters' arguments couldn't get any more bizarre, there's this: http://www.macworld.co.uk/apple-business/news/?newsid=3378531&olo=rss
There could be a series of really easy decisions going forward for Apple.
First, Apple could submit their own standard (for FRAND licensing) to obliterate their need for LTE, and with such an enormous slice of the market, they'd get it.
Second, Samsung could be endangering their own tenuous hold on their FRAND patents by acting in such a discriminatory fashion. Losing one's patents for abusing their even application in the market is not unheard of.
Third, Apple may start buying up suppliers critical to Samsung's operations. That wouldn't be beyond their capabilities.
Samsung, you mess with the bull... you'll get the horns!
Ok so as I understand it...Samsung looses a major case against Apple. They are going to now distance themselves from Android and just continue making phones that look like the phones that got them in trouble in the first place...but now they can't be smacked with look and feel UI lawsuits cause MS doesn't allow third-party UI garbage to sugar-coat their UI. Why can't Samsung just redo their Android TouchWiz UI garbage so it doesn't look like it copies Apple? Wouldn't that be easier and potentially more lucrative than aligning yourself with an OS that has no user-base?
Ok so as I understand it...Samsung looses a major case against Apple. They are going to now distance themselves from Android and just continue making phones that look like the phones that got them in trouble in the first place...but now they can't be smacked with look and feel UI lawsuits cause MS doesn't allow third-party UI garbage to sugar-coat their UI. Why can't Samsung just redo their Android TouchWiz UI garbage so it doesn't look like it copies Apple? Wouldn't that be easier and potentially more lucrative than aligning yourself with an OS that has no user-base?
Even easier, just stop putting TouchWiz on top of the standard Android interface! Oh, and stop making phones that physically look like an iPhone (which they're already doing with at least some models).
"History has shown there has yet to be a company that has won the hearts and minds of consumers and achieved continuous growth, when its primary means to competition has been the outright abuse of patent law, not the pursuit of innovation."
That is a typical propaganda technique. Accuse your opponent of the very thing of which you are guilty
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I think I said "eventually". It may take two years, five years, a decade, who knows..., but it will eventually become just one shape [or perhaps none - because in the future we can start speaking telepathically even over a long distance with a quantum phone].
Quote:
Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Fortunately, phones like the Nokia 900 don't exist to prove you wrong.
few here in the US really understand Samsung, and why it reacts this total-in-denial way.
Samsung dominates Korea - not just economically, but politically and even socially - to a degree that no American corporation has ever come close to, even at the peak of the robber baron era. as a result, Samsung's leaderhip live inside a bubble of total arrogance about its own superior mandate that we just don't really get. the closest thing to it we are familiar with is, maybe, the Pope.
so it looks like they'll have to lose their appeal and a second round of Apple lawsuits, due to come to trial next year on the newer products not included in this case, before they finally accept the necessity of paying Apple for a license.
Face it, Samsung was probably already looking for a new course, with Google buying Moto Mobility. Who can blame them, really?
to see what Apple is dealing with:
samsung a rambling secretive conglomerate is family controlled with multimillionaire family members suing EACH OTHER in court. Samsung probably controls 20% of Korea's GDP, for years no one has dared stand against them (until Steve Jobs!) and many government and court officials don't dare to fart without their permission, for example:
Kee Kun Hee, chairman of Samsung was convicted of fraud, tax evasion etc, sentenced to jail and then PARDONED by the Korean President:
wikipedia
"Seoul Central District Court found him guilty on charges of financial wrongdoing and tax evasion. Prosecutors requested that Lee be sentenced to seven years in prison and fined $347 million. The court fined him $109 million and sentenced him to 3 years suspended jail time. Lee has not responded to the verdict.[5] On December 29, 2009, the South Korean government moved to pardon Lee Kun-hee."
I don't even know where to begin. First of all, there might be people running around with betas and RCs of Win8 and WP8 software and they may tout the hell out of it...most likely cause they are evangelists and are paid to tout the hell out of Microsoft stuff, but W8/WP8 is not out to the masses yet. WP7/WP7.5 still has no real user base and so many people are betting their farms on W8/WP8. For one thing, there's a pretty good divide between people who like W8's new touch UI and those that just want it to get the hell out of their way. That's Microsoft's biggest issue usually is that Windows is so bloated up it generally can't even get out of it's own way let alone your way.
The Windows extremists (I don't even bother with calling them fanatics anymore) are saying the Surface will wipe everything. It doesn't even exist yet in any meaningful manner and as far as I've seen, nobody has actually really tested one or any form of a development model or anything. These people are so desperate to win at something that they will now basically resort to saying they've already won when the thing that has won the competition for them isn't even...well...real yet.
"Hey, neat! It has a keyboard built into the cover! Can I try it?"
"No."
"Oh, well can I see what the specs on this bad boy are through the Control Panel?"
"No."
"Can I do anything outside of this stupid useless demo app?"
"No."
"Oh. Um...well it looks like a winner to me either way. You see this, Apple!? We just won the game again. Call Balmer, we need to do a funeral for the iPad."
Of course it looks good, it looks just like a 4S.
I've two words for you, Samsung: Rounded Rhombuses
BTW, just when you think that the Apple haters' arguments couldn't get any more bizarre, there's this:
http://www.macworld.co.uk/apple-business/news/?newsid=3378531&olo=rss
So will Samsung be allowed to put it's new touch UI (likely called TouchPoop) over WinPhone 8's standard interface? I mean how can they continue to make an iPhone when the OS UI doesn't look like the iPhone's?
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Yet another example of Samsung trying to abuse the FRAND system. I can't wait to see it bite them HARD.
BTW, just when you think that the Apple haters' arguments couldn't get any more bizarre, there's this:
http://www.macworld.co.uk/apple-business/news/?newsid=3378531&olo=rss
Please tell me that article was a joke. Or satire, like the Onion. Please. Because I don't think my faith in humanity and common sense can drop any lower.
FRAND patents. Yawn.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
"Samsung has been in talks with major U.S. carriers to jointly develop modified design technology. This will be effective, though we can?t unveil more details for the time being."
For some reason, I'm imagining carrier partners gluing cases on phones to hide the infringing phones physical designs.
Brillant move Same-sung! Partner with Microsoft on the failed Windows Phone more so than you already have. The new Windows Phone 8 looks even worse than the first version, if that is possible. Unless, Same-sung is going to put their iOS cloner interface bloatware on top of the Windows Phone. But...Microsoft can not come to defend their partner when Apple sues for that, as Microsoft would lose all their rights to Apples phone patents due to the non-clone cause. Same-sung really is stupid.
Pong.
Pong.
...
PONG???
There could be a series of really easy decisions going forward for Apple.
First, Apple could submit their own standard (for FRAND licensing) to obliterate their need for LTE, and with such an enormous slice of the market, they'd get it.
Second, Samsung could be endangering their own tenuous hold on their FRAND patents by acting in such a discriminatory fashion. Losing one's patents for abusing their even application in the market is not unheard of.
Third, Apple may start buying up suppliers critical to Samsung's operations. That wouldn't be beyond their capabilities.
Samsung, you mess with the bull... you'll get the horns!
Ok so as I understand it...Samsung looses a major case against Apple. They are going to now distance themselves from Android and just continue making phones that look like the phones that got them in trouble in the first place...but now they can't be smacked with look and feel UI lawsuits cause MS doesn't allow third-party UI garbage to sugar-coat their UI. Why can't Samsung just redo their Android TouchWiz UI garbage so it doesn't look like it copies Apple? Wouldn't that be easier and potentially more lucrative than aligning yourself with an OS that has no user-base?
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Originally Posted by carmelapple
Ok so as I understand it...Samsung looses a major case against Apple. They are going to now distance themselves from Android and just continue making phones that look like the phones that got them in trouble in the first place...but now they can't be smacked with look and feel UI lawsuits cause MS doesn't allow third-party UI garbage to sugar-coat their UI. Why can't Samsung just redo their Android TouchWiz UI garbage so it doesn't look like it copies Apple? Wouldn't that be easier and potentially more lucrative than aligning yourself with an OS that has no user-base?
Even easier, just stop putting TouchWiz on top of the standard Android interface! Oh, and stop making phones that physically look like an iPhone (which they're already doing with at least some models).
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cpsro
"History has shown there has yet to be a company that has won the hearts and minds of consumers and achieved continuous growth, when its primary means to competition has been the outright abuse of patent law, not the pursuit of innovation."
That is a typical propaganda technique. Accuse your opponent of the very thing of which you are guilty
Quote:
Originally Posted by jragosta
BTW, just when you think that the Apple haters' arguments couldn't get any more bizarre, there's this:
http://www.macworld.co.uk/apple-business/news/?newsid=3378531&olo=rss
I almost shot tomato soup out of my nose while reading that! LOL
After reading that, I'm wondering when a rubberband company is going to sue Apple.
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Originally Posted by Pendergast
Pong.
Pong.
...
PONG???
In a world in which someone actually thought that tablet-thingy from Space Odyssey: 2001 counts as prior art . . . I'm not surprised.