This obviously isn't a surprise. You wonder if an independent Apple advocate group needs to monitor these things and report them to keep things balanced out there. You read the mainstream blogs and comments on the boards of Yahoo! and sites like that and it's obvious there's a concerted smear campaign going on against Apple. One of the most common comments is: "I won't be buying stuff from Apple because they use child labor in China." Whether a comment like this comes from your everyday ignoramus or an organized group of iHaters with an agenda to smear Apple anyway they can, the point is that many people actually do believe this stuff while ignoring the big picture.
As a Korean-American who travels to Korea and China on a regular basis for business, I see many Korean companies operating factories in China and dealing with a huge network of suppliers. It's funny that so many Americans think that Samsung makes all of their stuff in Korea when the great majority are actually produced in China and various southeast Asian countries. The haters also like to tell the ignorant populace that Samsung has a huge chip plant in Austin, TX and that they employ more Americans than Apple does. The haters are very vocal and becoming more numerous while relatively few Apple fans bother to counter such absurd claims.
But perhaps it's because most Apple users and fans have better things to do than hate or deal with the haters...
This is ridiculous, everyone started ranking on Apple when their manufacturer that they had no control over had bad working conditions, not Samsung does it and they get a short little article on like 3 sites. This is major bullshit.
@Hill60
I was here, making the same argument that I am now.
It IS an industry wide issue, but trying to use that as an "out" for any company that catches heat for it is like saying we shouldn't throw ANY murderer in jail unless we throw EVERY murderer in jail. In a perfect world, sure, all the murderers would be caught, and all the corporations would answer for human rights abuses, but until then I'd say catching the ones you can catch is a better policy than giving everyone a pass so that things are "fair."
You guys seem to forget that ALL Apple news is run through an amplifier. No one notices an Android phone launch day, and no one notices a Samsung human rights scandal, but the news certainly makes a fuss about a new iphone, and they similarly make a fuss about conditions where iphones are made. It's not a difference of balance, but a difference of magnitude.
This ridiculous "Apple users are under attack" line that you learned from Fox News is TRAGIC, but not because it's true.
The strange thing is, it was Apple's reports, published by them, that first drew media attention to themselves, inducing a feeding frenzy among bottom feeding media scum and the vermin who blindly supported them in their witch hunt.
I'd be willing to bet that no one really goes into these Samsung stores after about a month after they open. Meanwhile, most of Apple stores are packed with people and when the iPhone 5 hits, you'll see the lines forming.
This obviously isn't a surprise. You wonder if an independent Apple advocate group needs to monitor these things and report them to keep things balanced out there. You read the mainstream blogs and comments on the boards of Yahoo! and sites like that and it's obvious there's a concerted smear campaign going on against Apple. One of the most common comments is: "I won't be buying stuff from Apple because they use child labor in China." Whether a comment like this comes from your everyday ignoramus or an organized group of iHaters with an agenda to smear Apple anyway they can, the point is that many people actually do believe this stuff while ignoring the big picture.
It's big among tech nerds and Apple haters.
But it has little to no effect on sales of Apple gear. Consumers just keep wanting more of it. The bulk of the market is focused squarely on the product, not labour conditions.
27 posts. This thread would have hit half a dozen pages by now at least if it was about Apple, mostly filled with the shrill bleatings of the anti-Apple camp.
@Ikrupp (sorry about the @, I can't seem to quote from my phone). I'd be happy to Ikrupp. Your response to me had some good points about labor issues and the unfairness of apple being held to a different standard. It seemed well reasoned and rational. Apple]['s post, and nearly all of his posts, seem like crazy rants. Like I said earlier, everyone gets upset sometimes but that seems to be almost all there is to his posts. I too hate it when someone with an anti apple agenda shows up here spouting nonsense, and when they do they deserve both barrels. Use the elephant gun. But when Apple][ posts I feel like I'm reading an apple haters rant. They're looking for a catharsis that never comes, but endlessly trying anyway. As far as other media not reporting on Samsungs labor issues, yes that is rational. It's not fair or right, but it is rational. We all know why they do it. Page views.
It's too early to say that there was no response to this article compared to the furor over labor violations relating to Apple. This article was released on Labor Day, when most people are on vacation.
With that said, no one roots for Goliath. In every situation, Apple is Goliath against a bunch of Davids.
TL;DR, at least scroll to the end, where Mic Wright says:
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"The idea that South Korea is a shiny futurescape of democratic wonder is ultimately the result of sitting next to the fetid, Communist disaster that is North Korea.
The South looks better, thanks to the success consumer technology and semiconductors has brought, it but the grip of the chaebols is pernicious and corruption lies beneath every facet of Korean society.
You’re welcome to love Android and hate Apple. Just don’t be fooled into thinking Samsung are the good guys."
27 posts. This thread would have hit half a dozen pages by now at least if it was about Apple, mostly filled with the shrill bleatings of the anti-Apple camp.
Exactly. Similar thing at Google News -- about a dozen stories (incl. blogs), at most.
Most comments that do exist are in the vein of yawns, shrugs, well-you-knows, or anti-Apple rants ("Yeah, Samsung might be bad, man, but Apple is the worst....").
It's too early to say that there was no response to this article compared to the furor over labor violations relating to Apple. This article was released on Labor Day, when most people are on vacation.
With that said, no one roots for Goliath. In every situation, Apple is Goliath against a bunch of Davids.
BS - where were you in the late 90's? "Beleaguered Apple" was the media's catch phase.
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This obviously isn't a surprise. You wonder if an independent Apple advocate group needs to monitor these things and report them to keep things balanced out there. You read the mainstream blogs and comments on the boards of Yahoo! and sites like that and it's obvious there's a concerted smear campaign going on against Apple. One of the most common comments is: "I won't be buying stuff from Apple because they use child labor in China." Whether a comment like this comes from your everyday ignoramus or an organized group of iHaters with an agenda to smear Apple anyway they can, the point is that many people actually do believe this stuff while ignoring the big picture.
As a Korean-American who travels to Korea and China on a regular basis for business, I see many Korean companies operating factories in China and dealing with a huge network of suppliers. It's funny that so many Americans think that Samsung makes all of their stuff in Korea when the great majority are actually produced in China and various southeast Asian countries. The haters also like to tell the ignorant populace that Samsung has a huge chip plant in Austin, TX and that they employ more Americans than Apple does. The haters are very vocal and becoming more numerous while relatively few Apple fans bother to counter such absurd claims.
But perhaps it's because most Apple users and fans have better things to do than hate or deal with the haters...
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Originally Posted by lkrupp
Not one jot, not one tittle. Is that rational?
Thumbs up for the Baron von Munchausen reference.
This is ridiculous, everyone started ranking on Apple when their manufacturer that they had no control over had bad working conditions, not Samsung does it and they get a short little article on like 3 sites. This is major bullshit.
The strange thing is, it was Apple's reports, published by them, that first drew media attention to themselves, inducing a feeding frenzy among bottom feeding media scum and the vermin who blindly supported them in their witch hunt.
My stance on this has never changed.
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Originally Posted by boredumb
HEY!!!
SAMSUNG!!!!
Now's the time to copy Apple...
Yeah, but they have to review 250 suppliers.
I'd be willing to bet that no one really goes into these Samsung stores after about a month after they open. Meanwhile, most of Apple stores are packed with people and when the iPhone 5 hits, you'll see the lines forming.
Huh?
How is that related to this article?
Or my original comment?
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Originally Posted by alexkhan2000
This obviously isn't a surprise. You wonder if an independent Apple advocate group needs to monitor these things and report them to keep things balanced out there. You read the mainstream blogs and comments on the boards of Yahoo! and sites like that and it's obvious there's a concerted smear campaign going on against Apple. One of the most common comments is: "I won't be buying stuff from Apple because they use child labor in China." Whether a comment like this comes from your everyday ignoramus or an organized group of iHaters with an agenda to smear Apple anyway they can, the point is that many people actually do believe this stuff while ignoring the big picture.
It's big among tech nerds and Apple haters.
But it has little to no effect on sales of Apple gear. Consumers just keep wanting more of it. The bulk of the market is focused squarely on the product, not labour conditions.
27 posts. This thread would have hit half a dozen pages by now at least if it was about Apple, mostly filled with the shrill bleatings of the anti-Apple camp.
As far as other media not reporting on Samsungs labor issues, yes that is rational. It's not fair or right, but it is rational. We all know why they do it. Page views.
It's too early to say that there was no response to this article compared to the furor over labor violations relating to Apple. This article was released on Labor Day, when most people are on vacation.
With that said, no one roots for Goliath. In every situation, Apple is Goliath against a bunch of Davids.
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Originally Posted by vvswarup
This article was released on Labor Day
So I'm assuming Samsung got 'Labor Day' mixed up with 'Labor Violations Day'?
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Originally Posted by vvswarup
With that said, no one roots for Goliath. In every situation, Apple is Goliath against a bunch of Davids.
It's strange how people feel a company the size of Samsung is an underdog.
Originally Posted by vvswarup
With that said, no one roots for Goliath. In every situation, Apple is Goliath against a bunch of Davids.
Including phone and desktop OS marketsh… wait…
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Originally Posted by sennen
It's strange how people feel a company the size of Samsung is an underdog.
I read a pretty interesting article about a month ago (a Gruber linked story, IIRC) about the Samsung behemoth from the perspective of a western journalist: http://www.kernelmag.com/features/report/3028/samsung-power-corruption-and-lies/
TL;DR, at least scroll to the end, where Mic Wright says:
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"The idea that South Korea is a shiny futurescape of democratic wonder is ultimately the result of sitting next to the fetid, Communist disaster that is North Korea.
The South looks better, thanks to the success consumer technology and semiconductors has brought, it but the grip of the chaebols is pernicious and corruption lies beneath every facet of Korean society.
You’re welcome to love Android and hate Apple. Just don’t be fooled into thinking Samsung are the good guys."
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Originally Posted by sennen
27 posts. This thread would have hit half a dozen pages by now at least if it was about Apple, mostly filled with the shrill bleatings of the anti-Apple camp.
Exactly. Similar thing at Google News -- about a dozen stories (incl. blogs), at most.
Most comments that do exist are in the vein of yawns, shrugs, well-you-knows, or anti-Apple rants ("Yeah, Samsung might be bad, man, but Apple is the worst....").
Hypocrites. Sigh.
Samsung can also add not doing this to their 'Reminders' list.
Sorry, 'S Reminders' list:
http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/samsung-sorry-for-bloggers-berlin-nightmare-20120904-25bby.html
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Originally Posted by vvswarup
It's too early to say that there was no response to this article compared to the furor over labor violations relating to Apple. This article was released on Labor Day, when most people are on vacation.
With that said, no one roots for Goliath. In every situation, Apple is Goliath against a bunch of Davids.
BS - where were you in the late 90's? "Beleaguered Apple" was the media's catch phase.
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Originally Posted by vvswarup
With that said, no one roots for Goliath. In every situation, Apple is Goliath against a bunch of Davids.
How's that Google-flavored kool-aid? Oh wait, that's not kool-aid...
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Originally Posted by alexkhan2000
The haters also like to tell the ignorant populace that Samsung has a huge chip plant in Austin, TX ..
I guess this is just a warehouse to you. Cant deny FACTS.
I'm eagerly awaiting your comeback.
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/