<strong>All I want in a new iMac is a bigger screen (doesn't have to be LCD), AT LEAST GeForce 2MX, and 256MB RAM. Apple is pathetic when it comes to RAM. Nowaday, even 256 isn't that much and Apple ships "pro" systems with 128 WTF?</strong><hr></blockquote>
At least it seems like Apple's learning at least a little by shiping the TiBooks with 256MB in the 550 and 512 in the 667.
Comparing a laptop LCD to a desktop monitor is unfair. You need to compare a desktop LCD to a desktop monitor. Laptop LCDs are dimmer, have smaller viewing angles and are generally inferior to their desktop counterparts for one reason: power. A bright LCD on a powerbook would kill the battery.
If Apple uses a decent LCD display, like they do with their other product lines, I think there will be few complaints. (Well, someone will start bitching that they should use a 17" LCD instead of that 15 incher, but whatever....)
Something to keep in mind when comparing a Pismo to an iMac
I sell them. Sure they sell less than in the glory days, but this is still a significant number (percentage wise) of the macs that go out the door.</strong><hr></blockquote>
the iBook used to sell hundreds of thousands less than the iMac.
the iBook used to sell hundreds of thousands less than the iMac.
the iBook now outsells the iMac by large numbers
case closed</strong><hr></blockquote>
That all happened after the iBook had a huge makeover and got better specs. The same thing will happen with the iMac. The only thing is the iMac is long overdue.
oh wait thats one word isn't it, anyway if apple could figure out a way to sell an afordable imac with a G4 and a superdrive they will own the consumer market. Not to mention every dvd manufacturer will want to have steve's babies. Putting dvd creation within reach of the average consumer would be a coup and is exactly what I have come to expect from apple.
oh wait thats one word isn't it, anyway if apple could figure out a way to sell an afordable imac with a G4 and a superdrive they will own the consumer market. Not to mention every dvd manufacturer will want to have steve's babies. Putting dvd creation within reach of the average consumer would be a coup and is exactly what I have come to expect from apple.
[ 12-08-2001: Message edited by: Mike D ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course it would own the Consumer market. Now let's just hope Apple could do it without pricing it too high.
This thread is about what possible "feature" might be included with in the iMac to make it more irresistable....not whether CRT's are better than LCD's.
Here's a couple I'll throw out for discussion:
1)Touch screen LCD
2) Recessed/slide out handle for easy portabililty
3) Accompanying iSub style subwoofer
4) Tiny built-in camera/video capture
5) All new cordless keyboard w/ built -in compact flash card reader (to coincide with the launch of iPhoto)
6) New Apple mouse with scroll wheel
Many of these are unlikely, but it would be nice to get a free subwoofer.
About those LCD's. I've used two Pismos. An undergrad prof had them in his lab (with some other goodies) that I used from time to time. The screen is good for a laptop, but it isn't great. The screens of both iBooks (toilet seat & chicklet) were much brighter and higher contrast. I have no problem saying that the current iBook screen is much better than the iMac CRT. Even at that small size it is easier on the eyes. All of Apple's current LCD's have great color, brightness, and contrast, that easily outdo that pathetic, blurry, curved affair on the iMac.
If the new iMac is not going to be a performance leader, it **must** have something to distinguish it from PC alternatives. An LCD and beautiful aesthetics may be enough, but it had better be orgasmically beautiful. I think at least one model ought to get a superdrive. Thats' the only thing I could think of Apple offering that would compel many consumers to try a new platform, and to do so with a model that they consider slower and of limited expansion. iDVD + iMovie + OSX + 'superdrive iMac' would sell A LOT of machines to schools, hobbiests, curious people... anyone with creative/hollywood aspirations. Every Spielberg wannabe (and there are a lot of them) would order one the day of the web cast.
Which brings us to another question. Has a web cast been announced? I heard that Apple might stop doing web casts because of the time/money factor. But if a web cast is announced before MWSF, you can bet they have a knock-out package to debut. If not... well... oh well... maybe next time. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
[quote]1)Touch screen LCD<hr></blockquote>No, No, No! A thousand times no!! A touchscreen would be the dumbest possible addition to a desktop computer. Precision is a joke with touchscreens. What could someone use it for on a Mac? Clicking an item on a 64x64 sized Dock tile?
[quote]4) Tiny built-in camera/video capture<hr></blockquote>That's the only thing that remotely sounds Apple-esque enough for the new iMac.
I'm honestly up in the air about this issue. I think that there are a lot more bad ideas than good... hopefully Apple has taken a lot of care and market research into developing this new product (assming there is a new iMac at MWSF).
A LCD will help to sell iMacs. I knew a couple of elder people incl my own parents wanting a small, easy usable comp with LCD screen and nothing else. LCD is better, if your eyes aren't the best ones anymore.
There are some Wintels out there, which are small, with a LCD, but easy to use? No, not at all. And those people don't care about 100$ less or more, the machine got to fit their needs and wishes. If Apple will announce an iMac with LCD, there's a chance of 95% my parents will buy one. If he includes a G4 and VPC (for some astronomical progs), the chance is 99,99%.
And a iMac with a G4 and LCD will be a superb office machine, ask your admin.
As Apple have ordered large quantites of the new iMac it is expecting them to sell very well. How well? As well first the iMac, which sold because it was so revolutionary.
A LCD iMac although nice is not special, not revolutionary, not 'diiferent''.
Apple has produce the next iMac to have as much impact as the last one or it may as well not bother.
Expect something very special.
IMHO, Apple has proved it's commitment to DV and is making strides and gaining a strong reputation for this. It is logical that Apple has focused on DV with the new iMac's design.
I work in education and sit on a purchasing committee for computers. Apple is having difficulties making sales. PC's are taking over the market. The only thing holding back their extinction is the
1) The graphic/video capabilities of the G4's (and stubborn teachers like me who disregard district policy and purchase Macs anyway. Yes there are policies in most districts around me stating that PC's are the only computers to be purchased. Only if we argue hard enough do they capitulate. Threats also work)
2) The cheap price of the iMacs.
For education the iMacs have to be as cheap as possible. A $100 raise in price to accommodate an LCD (I would be shocked if it was ONLY $100) could decimate their educational sales.
I do think the LCD is inevitable and I do believe it will increase their consumer sales.
The LCD could come in at exactly the same price points as the current models... for the most part. Bare panels were reported to cost manufacturers (who then put their own enclosures on them) about $180. That was a few months ago. certainly possible for the 999 model. I do, however, think they should spec an ultra cheap 'classic' version Something with a small HDD and a CD-rom only. Just one color too. 599US. Dell and gateway, and a number of local builders here in Toronto, can sell a 999US PC with a 15" TFT included. So can Apple.
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<strong>All I want in a new iMac is a bigger screen (doesn't have to be LCD), AT LEAST GeForce 2MX, and 256MB RAM. Apple is pathetic when it comes to RAM. Nowaday, even 256 isn't that much and Apple ships "pro" systems with 128 WTF?</strong><hr></blockquote>
At least it seems like Apple's learning at least a little by shiping the TiBooks with 256MB in the 550 and 512 in the 667.
[ 12-08-2001: Message edited by: EmAn ]</p>
It's time for a revolution, and Apple's ready. I have faith.
If Apple uses a decent LCD display, like they do with their other product lines, I think there will be few complaints. (Well, someone will start bitching that they should use a 17" LCD instead of that 15 incher, but whatever....)
Something to keep in mind when comparing a Pismo to an iMac
<strong>
I sell them. Sure they sell less than in the glory days, but this is still a significant number (percentage wise) of the macs that go out the door.</strong><hr></blockquote>
the iBook used to sell hundreds of thousands less than the iMac.
the iBook now outsells the iMac by large numbers
case closed
<strong>
the iBook used to sell hundreds of thousands less than the iMac.
the iBook now outsells the iMac by large numbers
case closed</strong><hr></blockquote>
That all happened after the iBook had a huge makeover and got better specs. The same thing will happen with the iMac. The only thing is the iMac is long overdue.
superdrive
oh wait thats one word isn't it, anyway if apple could figure out a way to sell an afordable imac with a G4 and a superdrive they will own the consumer market. Not to mention every dvd manufacturer will want to have steve's babies. Putting dvd creation within reach of the average consumer would be a coup and is exactly what I have come to expect from apple.
[ 12-08-2001: Message edited by: Mike D ]</p>
<strong>two words,
superdrive
oh wait thats one word isn't it, anyway if apple could figure out a way to sell an afordable imac with a G4 and a superdrive they will own the consumer market. Not to mention every dvd manufacturer will want to have steve's babies. Putting dvd creation within reach of the average consumer would be a coup and is exactly what I have come to expect from apple.
[ 12-08-2001: Message edited by: Mike D ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Of course it would own the Consumer market. Now let's just hope Apple could do it without pricing it too high.
This thread is about what possible "feature" might be included with in the iMac to make it more irresistable....not whether CRT's are better than LCD's.
Here's a couple I'll throw out for discussion:
1)Touch screen LCD
2) Recessed/slide out handle for easy portabililty
3) Accompanying iSub style subwoofer
4) Tiny built-in camera/video capture
5) All new cordless keyboard w/ built -in compact flash card reader (to coincide with the launch of iPhoto)
6) New Apple mouse with scroll wheel
Many of these are unlikely, but it would be nice to get a free subwoofer.
About those LCD's. I've used two Pismos. An undergrad prof had them in his lab (with some other goodies) that I used from time to time. The screen is good for a laptop, but it isn't great. The screens of both iBooks (toilet seat & chicklet) were much brighter and higher contrast. I have no problem saying that the current iBook screen is much better than the iMac CRT. Even at that small size it is easier on the eyes. All of Apple's current LCD's have great color, brightness, and contrast, that easily outdo that pathetic, blurry, curved affair on the iMac.
If the new iMac is not going to be a performance leader, it **must** have something to distinguish it from PC alternatives. An LCD and beautiful aesthetics may be enough, but it had better be orgasmically beautiful. I think at least one model ought to get a superdrive. Thats' the only thing I could think of Apple offering that would compel many consumers to try a new platform, and to do so with a model that they consider slower and of limited expansion. iDVD + iMovie + OSX + 'superdrive iMac' would sell A LOT of machines to schools, hobbiests, curious people... anyone with creative/hollywood aspirations. Every Spielberg wannabe (and there are a lot of them) would order one the day of the web cast.
Which brings us to another question. Has a web cast been announced? I heard that Apple might stop doing web casts because of the time/money factor. But if a web cast is announced before MWSF, you can bet they have a knock-out package to debut. If not... well... oh well... maybe next time.
they don't announce it till a week or even days before the show usually.
[quote]4) Tiny built-in camera/video capture<hr></blockquote>That's the only thing that remotely sounds Apple-esque enough for the new iMac.
I'm honestly up in the air about this issue. I think that there are a lot more bad ideas than good... hopefully Apple has taken a lot of care and market research into developing this new product (assming there is a new iMac at MWSF).
<strong>apple will of course webcast it. only costs them bandwidth..</strong><hr></blockquote>
That is correct. IIRC, Apple owns a big chunk of Akamai. :cool:
There are some Wintels out there, which are small, with a LCD, but easy to use? No, not at all. And those people don't care about 100$ less or more, the machine got to fit their needs and wishes. If Apple will announce an iMac with LCD, there's a chance of 95% my parents will buy one. If he includes a G4 and VPC (for some astronomical progs), the chance is 99,99%.
And a iMac with a G4 and LCD will be a superb office machine, ask your admin.
<strong>I
Second problem is the scaling to 800 x 600 when playing games. Not that LCD's are really that bad, but a nice CRT scales a lot better.
.</strong><hr></blockquote>
With a good video card like the radeon there is no need to play at 800*600 . I expect that the next I mac will have a decent video card
A LCD iMac although nice is not special, not revolutionary, not 'diiferent''.
Apple has produce the next iMac to have as much impact as the last one or it may as well not bother.
Expect something very special.
IMHO, Apple has proved it's commitment to DV and is making strides and gaining a strong reputation for this. It is logical that Apple has focused on DV with the new iMac's design.
<strong>A LCD iMac although nice is not special, not revolutionary, not 'diiferent''.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
your spelling is though
1) The graphic/video capabilities of the G4's (and stubborn teachers like me who disregard district policy and purchase Macs anyway. Yes there are policies in most districts around me stating that PC's are the only computers to be purchased. Only if we argue hard enough do they capitulate. Threats also work)
2) The cheap price of the iMacs.
For education the iMacs have to be as cheap as possible. A $100 raise in price to accommodate an LCD (I would be shocked if it was ONLY $100) could decimate their educational sales.
I do think the LCD is inevitable and I do believe it will increase their consumer sales.
I can't see them abandoning the CRT completely.
1. G4
2. bigger, clearer, higher resolution screen
3. bluetooth keyboard and mouse
4. superdrive
5. geforce 3 (the can use the Ti200 for $75ish)
<strong>The features needed to make iMacs fly of the shelves (in a good way)
1. G4
2. bigger, clearer, higher resolution screen
3. bluetooth keyboard and mouse
4. superdrive
5. geforce 3 (the can use the Ti200 for $75ish)</strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm sure it would fly off the shelves without a bluetooth keyboard and mouse and a superdrive.