Spammy advocating for government regulators (funded through government tax collection) to interfere with the free market. I love it.
Collusion is not a free market and besides, if you think we have an actual "free market" now you are mistaken. There isn't a person in the world who could convincingly argue there is no collusion... Come on man. The price was stuck at $666 for like, a week at one point.
I did not express an opinion on whether or not AAPL's price is manipulated. When an aynrandian gets caught supporting a progressive idea like regulating markets, changing the subject is always
No it wouldn't. Don't blame something for which you don't fully understand. Apple has a ton of big (institutional) money following it and it trades in technicals more than fundamentals/rumors/press/analysts think. I too took a bunch off the table at 701. When analysts suddenly expect large stocks to double or add zeros to the upside it's time for a pullback, and that's what's happened. It will head a little lower for a bit more than head back up after earnings.
No point to rationalize it.
The stock market is inherently unpredictable and stock trading is gambling.
I did not express an opinion on whether or not AAPL's price is manipulated. When an aynrandian gets caught supporting a progressive idea like regulating markets, changing the subject is always
an attractive move (and it always cracks me up).
I'm not an anarchist, nor am I a full-fledged Objectivist, yet I have large swaths of agreement with each. I'm more of a minarchist with anarcho-capitalist influences (if you need some frame of reference).
Minarchists argue that the state has no authority to use its monopoly on force to interfere with free transactions between people, and see the state's sole responsibility as ensuring that contracts between private individuals and property are protected, through a system of law courts and enforcement. Minarchists generally believe a laissez faire approach to the economy is most likely to lead to economic prosperity.
The stock market is inherently unpredictable and stock trading is gambling.
J.
Well, it's not completely unpredictable. It's as predictable as human behavior itself... and to be fair, nearly all forms of investment include an element of 'gambling'.
I want to know who exactly is engineering this stock drop. I'd love to see which firms are colluding and have the SEC start sending some of those folks to prison.
So would you like taxes to be increased to hire more regulators or is it that the shibboleth of a "free market" is and always has been a myth?
I am not against all taxes. There should be sufficient tension between tax revenue and efficient services provided by the government that are Constitutionally limited and I presume this tension would create periods of insufficiently funded government. The balance between states rights and the federal government swing continuously, just as freedom of the people tends to decrease as the powers of government increase, which results in an eventual backlash and defunding of the illegitimate functions of government. These swings and continual tension ensures no one branch of government, or special interest becomes too powerful. Inevitably, "the people" get what they want, even if they do themselves harm by allowing the government to become too powerful for a while.
In the same way that individuals change throughout their lives, the size of government should increase at times, but it should also shrink at times. The problems we find today are that government is not shrinking because we have had presidents and a Congress that represent the interests of certain businesses, such as oil companies, the military-industrial complex and the banking/finance sector instead of fulfilling their Constitutionally-limited and defined functions. Corporatism is the name of the game today.
You don't need to. Simply take the full sale price less the cost of the component's parts and innards. The amount of profit (excluding R&D) will be much less in a iPad Miniature because it will sell for so much less but have basically the same parts. . And definitely far less than an iPhone's. This could be Apple's biggest mistake ever.
So wait to buy- definitely not until after the iPad Miniature is released.
its impossible to know this since nobody knows what deals Apple makes with suppliers for old parts. Most of the ipad mini so call "cost estimates" are based on year old components cost. People at Apple are not retarded, they know they need decent margins even with the low price. The mini will canibalize ipad2 sales, but so what if the margins are the same?
I want to know who exactly is engineering this stock drop. I'd love to see which firms are colluding and have the SEC start sending some of those folks to prison.
You and me both!!! Sick of them holding the reins on this stock. I had hoped with better relations with Wall street (aka Dividends) that some of this excessive trading would go away. It's interesting how many Hedge Funds have recently taken themselves private after hearing of the SEC's proposed rules. Some have simply paid back most of their investors and become 'private family firms' whatever that means. Sounds like an episode of American Greed on CNBC.
If SJ were still alive the analysts would be hawking their 'reality distortion field' theory, but since he's not and it's been exactly a year well then it's because SJ is gone! The hype has become so institutionalized it's a publishing industry unto itself!
Stock isn't going back up any time soon. - Competition has caught up and even passed Apple in technology. - We haven't seen anything new yet that wasn't inspired by Jobs. - Apple put all of their eggs in the finicky consumer market - while giving loyal industy supporters the middle finger. - Lion is a disaster and commercial/professional users are running screaming in the other direction. - They burned a lot of bridges. - and the biggest reason to worry... I of all people bought Windows 7 and testing it out. Not because I want to - but because Apple is forcing me to - like most professionals. Mac Pro is a joke and iMacs are useless with glossy displays. Not to mention the push to put everything on the cloud with Lion is not sitting well with everyone. I'm not alone with a huge swath of old loyalists leaving the party. Was a good 20 year run. Can't complain. (and for those who say 'bye, you wont be missed' - lol as your stocks plummet).
People just dont like the direction Apple is heading.
And for those of you short sighted enough to blame the 'media' - lol - seriously? Who do you think put Apple there in the first place?
They got some soul searching to do as a company. And they have to prove themselves as an innovator without Jobs. If they can do that - then stock will jump. Right now - the only thing keeping the stock high is that the Apple TV and expectations the ecosystem around it will be amazing (without Jobs). If that fails to materialize - watch out below.
- Competition has caught up and even passed Apple in technology.
Blatant lies! Yay!
- We haven't seen anything new yet that wasn't inspired by Jobs.
Wait a few more days.
- Apple put all of their eggs in the finicky consumer market - while giving loyal industy supporters the middle finger.
As long as a Mac exists on which to make iDevice apps, they'll be fine.
- Windows 8 is a disaster and commercial/professional users are running screaming in the other direction.
I think you're confused. I fixed your confusion.
- They burned a lot of bridges.
They just look all wavy to me.
…Apple is forcing me to…
Jeez, when is Apple going to kidnap MY family and hold them at gunpoint? This sounds fun.
…iMacs are useless with glossy displays.
*Statement not based on fact or reason.
People just dont like the direction Apple is heading.
I don't like some of it. Big deal. It's in the way you combat it that things get fixed.
Who do you think put Apple there in the first place?
Shareholders, plus Apple's ability to surpass people's desires over incredibly long periods of time.
Right now - the only thing keeping the stock high is that the Apple TV and expectations the ecosystem around it will be amazing (without Jobs).
Wait, the nonsensical, nonexistent, giant, expensive, no profit margin television is what is keeping Apple's stock high?
Not the fact that they sell the most desired phones, tablets, and music players on the planet or that they post record numbers and profits every quarter?
Just remember you can make money quick on a falling stock then one increasing. It appears you have people trading or driving the stock price down using all the FUD around the wed, they are feeding on the negative news, Imagine if M$ stock dropped this much ever time they shipped crap, it does not since it everyone's expectation of M$ is crap.
The other thing is it could be Hedge funds and Mutual funds dumping or shorting to make sure they make their returns and how else but to short on negative news.
They will all change right before apple make their announcement since they do not want to risk shorting apple if they come out with good numbers.
Not true at all (unless you're talking about day-trading)..
It's as unpredictable in the long run, as it is in the short run.
Think about it if it wasn't.
Gamblers think they know when 'it's going to be black', but reality doesn't change because your able to fool yourself.
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And didn't Jim Cramer claim that AAPL is the most manipulated stock in the world?
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Spammy advocating for government regulators (funded through government tax collection) to interfere with the free market. I love it.
Collusion is not a free market and besides, if you think we have an actual "free market" now you are mistaken. There isn't a person in the world who could convincingly argue there is no collusion... Come on man. The price was stuck at $666 for like, a week at one point.
I did not express an opinion on whether or not AAPL's price is manipulated. When an aynrandian gets caught supporting a progressive idea like regulating markets, changing the subject is always
an attractive move (and it always cracks me up).
No point to rationalize it.
The stock market is inherently unpredictable and stock trading is gambling.
J.
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Originally Posted by quinney
I did not express an opinion on whether or not AAPL's price is manipulated. When an aynrandian gets caught supporting a progressive idea like regulating markets, changing the subject is always
an attractive move (and it always cracks me up).
I'm not an anarchist, nor am I a full-fledged Objectivist, yet I have large swaths of agreement with each. I'm more of a minarchist with anarcho-capitalist influences (if you need some frame of reference).
This definition in Wikipedia is a fair one:
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Minarchism (also known as minimal statism) is a libertarian capitalist political philosophy. It is variously defined by sources. In the strictest sense, it maintains that the state is necessary and that its only legitimate function is the protection of individuals fromaggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud, and the only legitimate governmental institutions are the military, police, andcourts. In the broadest sense, it also includes fire departments, prisons, the executive, and legislatures as legitimate government functions.[1][2][3] Such states are generally called night-watchman states.
Minarchists argue that the state has no authority to use its monopoly on force to interfere with free transactions between people, and see the state's sole responsibility as ensuring that contracts between private individuals and property are protected, through a system of law courts and enforcement. Minarchists generally believe a laissez faire approach to the economy is most likely to lead to economic prosperity.
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No point to rationalize it.
The stock market is inherently unpredictable and stock trading is gambling.
J.
Well, it's not completely unpredictable. It's as predictable as human behavior itself... and to be fair, nearly all forms of investment include an element of 'gambling'.
Would you like to learn more about anarcho-capitalism and minarchism?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism_and_minarchism
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That would be it. You nailed it.
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No it wouldn't.
Big deal: so, it would be institutional bull on top of press bull.
He's right in a larger sense.Moves like the recent one are only relevant to people who have attention span of a gnat.
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I want to know who exactly is engineering this stock drop. I'd love to see which firms are colluding and have the SEC start sending some of those folks to prison.
You say this a lot.
A lot of the times, it's just noise.....
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So would you like taxes to be increased to hire more regulators or is it that the shibboleth of a "free market" is and always has been a myth?
I am not against all taxes. There should be sufficient tension between tax revenue and efficient services provided by the government that are Constitutionally limited and I presume this tension would create periods of insufficiently funded government. The balance between states rights and the federal government swing continuously, just as freedom of the people tends to decrease as the powers of government increase, which results in an eventual backlash and defunding of the illegitimate functions of government. These swings and continual tension ensures no one branch of government, or special interest becomes too powerful. Inevitably, "the people" get what they want, even if they do themselves harm by allowing the government to become too powerful for a while.
In the same way that individuals change throughout their lives, the size of government should increase at times, but it should also shrink at times. The problems we find today are that government is not shrinking because we have had presidents and a Congress that represent the interests of certain businesses, such as oil companies, the military-industrial complex and the banking/finance sector instead of fulfilling their Constitutionally-limited and defined functions. Corporatism is the name of the game today.
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The stock market is inherently unpredictable .....
....in the short run.
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.... and stock trading is gambling.
Not true at all (unless you're talking about day-trading)..
Apple's a great company. Read the "Big Short". Illuminating.
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You don't need to. Simply take the full sale price less the cost of the component's parts and innards. The amount of profit (excluding R&D) will be much less in a iPad Miniature because it will sell for so much less but have basically the same parts. . And definitely far less than an iPhone's. This could be Apple's biggest mistake ever.
So wait to buy- definitely not until after the iPad Miniature is released.
its impossible to know this since nobody knows what deals Apple makes with suppliers for old parts. Most of the ipad mini so call "cost estimates" are based on year old components cost. People at Apple are not retarded, they know they need decent margins even with the low price. The mini will canibalize ipad2 sales, but so what if the margins are the same?
You and me both!!! Sick of them holding the reins on this stock. I had hoped with better relations with Wall street (aka Dividends) that some of this excessive trading would go away. It's interesting how many Hedge Funds have recently taken themselves private after hearing of the SEC's proposed rules. Some have simply paid back most of their investors and become 'private family firms' whatever that means. Sounds like an episode of American Greed on CNBC.
If SJ were still alive the analysts would be hawking their 'reality distortion field' theory, but since he's not and it's been exactly a year well then it's because SJ is gone! The hype has become so institutionalized it's a publishing industry unto itself!
It's HARD to hold onto Apple stock ain't it.
- Competition has caught up and even passed Apple in technology.
- We haven't seen anything new yet that wasn't inspired by Jobs.
- Apple put all of their eggs in the finicky consumer market - while giving loyal industy supporters the middle finger.
- Lion is a disaster and commercial/professional users are running screaming in the other direction.
- They burned a lot of bridges.
- and the biggest reason to worry... I of all people bought Windows 7 and testing it out. Not because I want to - but because Apple is forcing me to - like most professionals. Mac Pro is a joke and iMacs are useless with glossy displays. Not to mention the push to put everything on the cloud with Lion is not sitting well with everyone. I'm not alone with a huge swath of old loyalists leaving the party. Was a good 20 year run. Can't complain.
(and for those who say 'bye, you wont be missed' - lol as your stocks plummet).
People just dont like the direction Apple is heading.
And for those of you short sighted enough to blame the 'media' - lol - seriously? Who do you think put Apple there in the first place?
They got some soul searching to do as a company. And they have to prove themselves as an innovator without Jobs. If they can do that - then stock will jump.
Right now - the only thing keeping the stock high is that the Apple TV and expectations the ecosystem around it will be amazing (without Jobs).
If that fails to materialize - watch out below.
The glossy display whine? Again?
Originally Posted by rain
Stock isn't going back up any time soon.
Slapppy! Yay!
- Competition has caught up and even passed Apple in technology.
Blatant lies! Yay!
- We haven't seen anything new yet that wasn't inspired by Jobs.
Wait a few more days.
- Apple put all of their eggs in the finicky consumer market - while giving loyal industy supporters the middle finger.
As long as a Mac exists on which to make iDevice apps, they'll be fine.
- Windows 8 is a disaster and commercial/professional users are running screaming in the other direction.
I think you're confused. I fixed your confusion.
- They burned a lot of bridges.
They just look all wavy to me.
…Apple is forcing me to…
Jeez, when is Apple going to kidnap MY family and hold them at gunpoint? This sounds fun.
…iMacs are useless with glossy displays.
*Statement not based on fact or reason.
People just dont like the direction Apple is heading.
I don't like some of it. Big deal. It's in the way you combat it that things get fixed.
Who do you think put Apple there in the first place?
Shareholders, plus Apple's ability to surpass people's desires over incredibly long periods of time.
Right now - the only thing keeping the stock high is that the Apple TV and expectations the ecosystem around it will be amazing (without Jobs).
Wait, the nonsensical, nonexistent, giant, expensive, no profit margin television is what is keeping Apple's stock high?
Not the fact that they sell the most desired phones, tablets, and music players on the planet or that they post record numbers and profits every quarter?
Jeez louise, Mode. Get it together.
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Stock isn't going back up .... lol as your stocks plummet..... lol - seriously? ......watch out below.
LOL is right.
The other thing is it could be Hedge funds and Mutual funds dumping or shorting to make sure they make their returns and how else but to short on negative news.
They will all change right before apple make their announcement since they do not want to risk shorting apple if they come out with good numbers.
It's as unpredictable in the long run, as it is in the short run.
Think about it if it wasn't.
Gamblers think they know when 'it's going to be black', but reality doesn't change because your able to fool yourself.
J.
So it's completely unpredictable.
J.