When is Apple going to stop raping costumers on the price of memory and drives? 900 for a 512 SSD? When you can get an M4 for 400? Or any one of a number of top of the line drives for 500?
The store page doesn't even have an "add memory" option for the laptops any more.
How much could you possibly have on a 13" screen at one time to necessitate 16GB of RAM? The real bottleneck was spinning hard drives, which are no longer an issue. You'll be fine.
Personally, I am waiting for the 15" rMBP gen 2. No more Russian roulette with the screen manufacturer (image retention), and it should be a bit cheaper, like the price difference between 1st and 2nd gen Macbook Air.
How much could you possibly have on a 13" screen at one time to necessitate 16GB of RAM? The real bottleneck was spinning hard drives, which are no longer an issue. You'll be fine.
Personally, I am waiting for the 15" rMBP gen 2. No more Russian roulette with the screen manufacturer (image retention), and it should be a bit cheaper, like the price difference between 1st and 2nd gen Macbook Air.
If these apps start utilizing the new speed of SSDs and start utilizing every pixel on these Retina notebooks they could easily start using a lot more RAM. Then you have video editing and such which is typically done in 1080p, right? Isn't it better to hold more in RAM so you can edit faster?
No dedicated GPU and a meager 128Gb SSD will damper sales of the 13" model once the early adopters are expended. I'm not a fan of Asus but if they can fit a dedicated GPU in their slim UX32VD for much less, then why couldn't Apple. $1700 and tax is borderline outrageous for HD 4000 graphics and a bloated resolution. I've seen and used the retina 15" and it is very nice in person, but with the 13" with this kind of markup and those specs, I have to say no thank you.
How much could you possibly have on a 13" screen at one time to necessitate 16GB of RAM? The real bottleneck was spinning hard drives, which are no longer an issue. You'll be fine.
Personally, I am waiting for the 15" rMBP gen 2. No more Russian roulette with the screen manufacturer (image retention), and it should be a bit cheaper, like the price difference between 1st and 2nd gen Macbook Air.
First reaction was disappointment. This machine lacks almost any upgradability option and is just a bit to rich in it's asking price for what it offers to me.
The machine I was hoping for would have almost all the possibilities and longevity of the 15" but in a more portable package. I would have been comfortable paying a premium for that but either I sacrifice power and have to consider an upgrade in the too near future when Apple can offer a discrete GPU or lug a 15" and the associated weight around with me.
Maybe the reviews will prove me very wrong and I will change my mind, if not I will have to take either bite the bullet and go for the 15" or wait at least a year for Haswell.
Shame I really like the screen, am prepared to swallow the costs of speccing this out with a reasonable amount of storage and can cope with the RAM at 8Gb although I would probably have gone for 16Gb if available but really hoped they would go for a discreet GPU.
The redesign was an opportunity to make this happen and I think a trick was missed.
I believe that the 15" has all of 0.5 pounds more of "associated weight". As far as I can tell, the advantages of the 13" are lower cost and slightly more compact form factor (for those airline seats). The 15" rMBP is VERY light.
We're all waiting for the 15" macbook air, aren't we?!
Nope. 17" Pro.
I find it amazing that you folks are able to get any work done on a 13" screen. While riding the train the other day I watched some kid with an Air working on a school project. Absolutely everything he did required either shifting windows around or obscuring his view of what he was doing. He'd click a tool and a pop-up would appear with the settings for that tool which he would then have to dismiss or move to actually USE the tool. On my 17" screen the tool menus are stacked to the side where they don't obscure the very project they're there to work on! I can't even imagine trying to edit or mix a Pro Tools session with every plug-in window practically filling the screen and having to be closed to do anything else. How do you people DO it?
I believe that the 15" has all of 0.5 pounds more of "associated weight". As far as I can tell, the advantages of the 13" are lower cost and slightly more compact form factor (for those airline seats). The 15" rMBP is VERY light.
It is nearer a pound and I think I could learn to live with it. I do spend a lot of time on long haul flights but I think even this is do-able as the retina is slightly smaller than the previous 15' MBP.
I know Apple doesn't make machines specifically for me but makes a call on what spec they believe is correct for the market segment they are aiming for.
This is going to be my main machine which I use in multiple offices but have a screen in most of those offices I can just land and plug into so the larger acreage is nice but not necessary.
Thank you you may have just talked me into a 15" MPBr
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So.. waiting for haswell and 16gb option it is.
Too bad! I wanted a 13" Retina MBP as soon as they announced the 15" model. Everything looks perfect, but...
8GB is the Maximum Ram that can be ordered and configured? That makes it for me as a photographer an expensive toy :-(
15" is just too big to bring on jobs all the time - so I hope for a 16GB revision sometime in the near future...
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So.. waiting for haswell and 16gb option it is.
And lower price with 512GB. Could be a long wait.....
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I have to agree; I'm not sure I see the point of this.
And can an integrated chip really drive a display like this and give you enough headroom left over to do pro stuff?
It seems like the integrated chip can drive the retina display well check this out: http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3540614/13-inch-macbook-pro-with-retina-display-hands-on
As for the more intense performance, I guess we'll just have to wait for reviews hopefully soon. Let's not speak negatively about it too soon
When is Apple going to stop raping costumers on the price of memory and drives? 900 for a 512 SSD? When you can get an M4 for 400? Or any one of a number of top of the line drives for 500?
The store page doesn't even have an "add memory" option for the laptops any more.
How much could you possibly have on a 13" screen at one time to necessitate 16GB of RAM? The real bottleneck was spinning hard drives, which are no longer an issue. You'll be fine.
Personally, I am waiting for the 15" rMBP gen 2. No more Russian roulette with the screen manufacturer (image retention), and it should be a bit cheaper, like the price difference between 1st and 2nd gen Macbook Air.
If these apps start utilizing the new speed of SSDs and start utilizing every pixel on these Retina notebooks they could easily start using a lot more RAM. Then you have video editing and such which is typically done in 1080p, right? Isn't it better to hold more in RAM so you can edit faster?
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How much could you possibly have on a 13" screen at one time to necessitate 16GB of RAM? The real bottleneck was spinning hard drives, which are no longer an issue. You'll be fine.
Personally, I am waiting for the 15" rMBP gen 2. No more Russian roulette with the screen manufacturer (image retention), and it should be a bit cheaper, like the price difference between 1st and 2nd gen Macbook Air.
#next_pages_container { width: 5px; hight: 5px; position: absolute; top: -100px; left: -100px; z-index: 2147483647 !important; }I doubt that it will be cheaper. Better, yes. As for the screen, I guess I have won at Russian Roulette, since I have had no problems.
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First reaction was disappointment. This machine lacks almost any upgradability option and is just a bit to rich in it's asking price for what it offers to me.
The machine I was hoping for would have almost all the possibilities and longevity of the 15" but in a more portable package. I would have been comfortable paying a premium for that but either I sacrifice power and have to consider an upgrade in the too near future when Apple can offer a discrete GPU or lug a 15" and the associated weight around with me.
Maybe the reviews will prove me very wrong and I will change my mind, if not I will have to take either bite the bullet and go for the 15" or wait at least a year for Haswell.
Shame I really like the screen, am prepared to swallow the costs of speccing this out with a reasonable amount of storage and can cope with the RAM at 8Gb although I would probably have gone for 16Gb if available but really hoped they would go for a discreet GPU.
The redesign was an opportunity to make this happen and I think a trick was missed.
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I believe that the 15" has all of 0.5 pounds more of "associated weight". As far as I can tell, the advantages of the 13" are lower cost and slightly more compact form factor (for those airline seats). The 15" rMBP is VERY light.
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We're all waiting for the 15" macbook air, aren't we?!
Nope. 17" Pro.
I find it amazing that you folks are able to get any work done on a 13" screen. While riding the train the other day I watched some kid with an Air working on a school project. Absolutely everything he did required either shifting windows around or obscuring his view of what he was doing. He'd click a tool and a pop-up would appear with the settings for that tool which he would then have to dismiss or move to actually USE the tool. On my 17" screen the tool menus are stacked to the side where they don't obscure the very project they're there to work on! I can't even imagine trying to edit or mix a Pro Tools session with every plug-in window practically filling the screen and having to be closed to do anything else. How do you people DO it?
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We're all waiting for the 15" macbook air, aren't we?!
Nope, 15" iPad.
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Nope, 15" iPad.
Yeah, that too!
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I believe that the 15" has all of 0.5 pounds more of "associated weight". As far as I can tell, the advantages of the 13" are lower cost and slightly more compact form factor (for those airline seats). The 15" rMBP is VERY light.
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It is nearer a pound and I think I could learn to live with it. I do spend a lot of time on long haul flights but I think even this is do-able as the retina is slightly smaller than the previous 15' MBP.
I know Apple doesn't make machines specifically for me but makes a call on what spec they believe is correct for the market segment they are aiming for.
This is going to be my main machine which I use in multiple offices but have a screen in most of those offices I can just land and plug into so the larger acreage is nice but not necessary.
Thank you you may have just talked me into a 15" MPBr