Dutch court finds Samsung did not infringe on Apple multitouch patent

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in General Discussion edited January 2014
A Dutch court on Wednesday ruled that Samsung's Galaxy smartphones and tablets do not infringe on a certain Apple patent regarding multitouch technology.

The ruling on Apple's multitouch utility patent, first reported by Reuters, is another Dutch loss for the company, and comes months after an appeals court found that Samsung did not infringe on the iPad's design patents with the Galaxy 10.1.

"With these products Samsung does not infringe the claims that Apple has made," the court said in its ruling.

The Hague found that Samsung did not infringe on Apple's pinch-to-zoom patent, a property asserted multiple times against competing handset makers to little success. Apple was previously denied an injunction request of Samsung's products based on the patent by the Dutch court in 2011. The multitouch patent was also asserted unsuccessfully in Britain against HTC, as well as in Germany against Samsung and Motorola.

Wednesday's decision marks another setback for Apple in the company's ongoing patent battle with Samsung. It was reported on Tuesday that the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office tentatively invalidated Apple's "rubber banding" patent, an IP that was successfully asserted against Samsung in the landmark Apple v. Samsung jury trial. With the California suit still going through post-trial motions, Presiding Judge Lucy Koh will be taking the new information into consideration, especially in regard to Samsung's Rule 50 motions, or those that overrule the jury.

Apple has the chance to appeal the USPTO's decision, or somehow persuade the agency that its invention was new and valid. It is unclear how Judge Koh will decide, but if the patent is found to be invalid, all claims against Samsung associated with the invention will be nullified.
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  • Reply 1 of 25


    Like I said a couple of days ago after a similar decision by a court in Holland... it's perfectly legal to smoke dope in cafés in that country. Go figure!

  • Reply 2 of 25
    gwydiongwydion Posts: 1,083member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Fotoformat View Post


    Like I said a couple of days ago after a similar decision by a court in Holland... it's perfectly legal to smoke dope in cafés in that country. Go figure!



    Where have youseen that it is legal smoking dope?

  • Reply 3 of 25

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    Originally Posted by Gwydion View Post


    Where have youseen that it is legal smoking dope?



     


    For starters... http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/GenCS.html

  • Reply 4 of 25

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    Originally Posted by Fotoformat View Post


    Like I said a couple of days ago after a similar decision by a court in Holland... it's perfectly legal to smoke dope in cafés in that country. Go figure!



     


    Actually it's not legal, it's just decriminalised. 


     


    Besides, at least half of those that partake are 'tourists' (German, Belgian, French, UK, US) - not Dutch.

  • Reply 5 of 25
    @fotoformat You're posting nonsense.
    I'm from The Netherlands (aka Holland).
    Those 'cafes' you're talking about are 'designated places' aka coffeeshops (which has nothing to do with coffee other than you can also buy coffee over there). Smoking weed is only allowed in those shops (or at home, but officially it's illegal to transport it from that shop to your home) and these are the only places where they sell it legally. You're not allowed to smoke and/or buy it outside of those places. In my town you can get a fine of 140 euros for smoking weed outside. It's quite regulated as a matter of fact. Again, it's just being tolerated to a certain degree by the government. Officially, it's not even legal. There's actually a new law being introduced in the south of The Netherlands which forbids foreigners (mainly French and Belgian tourists) to buy it in those shops, unlike what was the case before May 1st this year. After 1st of Jan 2013, this is supposed to become the law for the entire country. Only native Dutch people who have to become members of those shops by showing a certain identification are allowed to buy weed.
  • Reply 6 of 25
    gwydiongwydion Posts: 1,083member

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    For starters... http://www.coffeeshop.freeuk.com/GenCS.html



    Link not available

  • Reply 7 of 25
    gwydiongwydion Posts: 1,083member

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    Originally Posted by mropz View Post



    @fotoformat You're posting nonsense.

    I'm from The Netherlands (aka Holland).

    Those 'cafes' you're talking about are 'designated places' aka coffeeshops (which has nothing to do with coffee other than you can also buy coffee over there). Smoking weed is only allowed in those shops (or at home, but officially it's illegal to transport it from that shop to your home) and these are the only places where they sell it legally. You're not allowed to smoke and/or buy it outside of those places. In my town you can get a fine of 140 euros for smoking weed outside. It's quite regulated as a matter of fact. Again, it's just being tolerated to a certain degree by the government. Officially, it's not even legal. There's actually a new law being introduced in the south of The Netherlands which forbids foreigners (mainly French and Belgian tourists) to buy it in those shops, unlike what was the case before May 1st this year. After 1st of Jan 2013, this is supposed to become the law for the entire country. Only native Dutch people who have to become members of those shops by showing a certain identification are allowed to buy weed.


    Dope= weed or dope=heroin?

  • Reply 8 of 25

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    Link not available



     


    Are you sitting behind a corporate firewall / filter? Expect a call from your HR department shortly to arrange a narcotics test... image

  • Reply 9 of 25


    Well this thread got off topic in a hurry...

  • Reply 10 of 25


    "Dope= weed or dope=heroin?"


     


    Weed of course... Heroine??

  • Reply 11 of 25
    There is kangaroo court Down Under so in The Netherlands this is Flying Dutchman court!:no:
  • Reply 12 of 25
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,513member

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    Originally Posted by spiced View Post



    There is kangaroo court Down Under so in The Netherlands this is Flying Dutchman court!image


    It's the same ruling that German and UK courts already made (except that the UK also found the patent invalid), so it's completely consistent with previous cases on this Apple patent infringement claim.

  • Reply 13 of 25
    cnocbuicnocbui Posts: 3,613member
    Just not going Apple's way. Even the US Patent office think a number of its touch screen patents are invalid. Samsung is going for a retrial:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20040549

    "US Apple bounce-back patents ruled invalid

    A handful of Apple patents have been ruled invalid, throwing doubt on a landmark trial that awarded huge damages to the smartphone maker.

    The US Patent and Trademark Office has ruled that 20 patents relating to scroll technology "lack novelty"."
  • Reply 14 of 25
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,513member


    Interesting. That's the first mention I've seen that 19 other Apple touch patents are in danger of being invalidated. 

  • Reply 15 of 25
    gwydiongwydion Posts: 1,083member

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    Just not going Apple's way. Even the US Patent office think a number of its touch screen patents are invalid. Samsung is going for a retrial:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20040549

    "US Apple bounce-back patents ruled invalid

    A handful of Apple patents have been ruled invalid, throwing doubt on a landmark trial that awarded huge damages to the smartphone maker.

    The US Patent and Trademark Office has ruled that 20 patents relating to scroll technology "lack novelty"."


    I think that the BBC report has confused 20 claims with 20 patents

  • Reply 16 of 25
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 23,513member


    I would agree.

  • Reply 17 of 25


    Has Apple won any lawsuit elsewhere, other than the infamous Dusseldorf court in Germany - aka, the Eastern District of Europe ?

  • Reply 19 of 25

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    Originally Posted by tooltalk View Post


    Has Apple won any lawsuit elsewhere,



     


     


    Is this a serious question?

  • Reply 20 of 25


    Originally Posted by Quadra 610 View Post

    Is this a serious question?


     


    Look at the username.


     


    Oh, that probably doesn't answer your question anyway, does it? image


     


    Yes, he's seriously asking it, but it's him doing the asking.

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