One thing I found interesting in this story (not the version on this site) but when beer entered the picture, the writer mentioned that Steve had one as well.
I was under the impression that he was strict vegetarian, he and his wife even going so far as to prepare a vegetarian-only meal for President Obama when he stayed for dinner at Steve's house on one occassion.
If anybody's ever curious as to how a strict vegetarian can die from cancer, then maybe alcohol and sushi could be the answer...
Jobs was a buddhist. In buddhism the giving of money is not encouraged as it can lead to greed. Give a man what he needs, not encourage his greed. To lend someone advice or a hand, or even a beer isn't wrong. Steve didn't believe in giving people money as it enables their need for more. Hate isn't part of buddhist practice either. Calling someone a liar, and another hateful on a blog isn't the bravest thing to do. Would you say it to their faces?
All the surprise on this guy's part that they were just normal people with laundry. Really, why on earth wouldn't they be? People are people, whether famous and wealthy or not. What did he expect? That they dump golden turds or something! Celebrity is an illusion.
All the surprise on this guy's part that they were just normal people with laundry. Really, why on earth wouldn't they be? People are people, whether famous and wealthy or not. What did he expect? That they dump golden turds or something! Celebrity is an illusion.
There are very few people at Jobs's level of wealth who don't have a laundry room and a live-in maid. Most of these guys have multiple live-in staff, a house manager, etc. I doubt you'd see laundry strewn about in Gates's or Ellison's giant mansions. Jobs lived very simply for a multibillionaire.
There are very few people at Jobs's level of wealth who don't have a laundry room and a live-in maid. Most of these guys have multiple live-in staff, a house manager, etc. I doubt you'd see laundry strewn about in Gates's or Ellison's giant mansions. Jobs lived very simply for a multibillionaire.
He specifically wanted to give his children a normal suburban upbringing, much like his own.
All the surprise on this guy's part that they were just normal people with laundry. Really, why on earth wouldn't they be? People are people, whether famous and wealthy or not. What did he expect? That they dump golden turds or something! Celebrity is an illusion.
...because he thought they would have help to do that sort of thing...
and i'll bet that Steve Jobs was able to do his own laundry too... (folding laundry is probably why he only wore the thing all the time... or perhaps it was a buddist thing...
kr00's comment, i believe, sheds light on this)
Jobs was a buddhist. In buddhism the giving of money is not encouraged as it can lead to greed. Give a man what he needs, not encourage his greed. To lend someone advice or a hand, or even a beer isn't wrong. Steve didn't believe in giving people money as it enables their need for more. Hate isn't part of buddhist practice either. Calling someone a liar, and another hateful on a blog isn't the bravest thing to do. Would you say it to their faces?
He specifically wanted to give his children a normal suburban upbringing, much like his own.
Honestly, I think those big, ostentatious mansions are more of a pain in the ass than anything. There's a great book "Richistan" on the lives of the rich and once you have a certain size house, you need a full-time staff, you need gardeners, maids, maintenance, security, etc, you need a house manager to manage all the staff, and a lot of these guys have more staff than they do family living in their houses. They start to regret it because it just makes life more complicated, finding the right staff is difficult and dealing with them becomes a full-time job. Gates's home and especially Ellison's are on that level. I heard that Ellison's requires constant year-round maintenance because they used traditional Japanese methods to build it. I think Jobs had the right idea.
Just the timing. She asks which country the car is from and .....want a beer. Seems to be something missing....No but was brought one anyway....She doesn't know what kind of car it is but has a friend in a tux who is an expert in Sunbeams... odd. And when was this? Doesn't anyone have a cell phone? Some peculiar story telling with a few missing pieces is all.
Tuxedos, British sports cars, "chance" meeting with an icon .... And this guy's name is Smith?
I believe in a different circumstance, his name would be James ...
Honestly, I think those big, ostentatious mansions are more of a pain in the ass than anything. There's a great book "Richistan" on the lives of the rich and once you have a certain size house, you need a full-time staff, you need gardeners, maids, maintenance, security, etc, you need a house manager to manage all the staff, and a lot of these guys have more staff than they do family living in their houses. They start to regret it because it just makes life more complicated, finding the right staff is difficult and dealing with them becomes a full-time job. Gates's home and especially Ellison's are on that level. I heard that Ellison's requires constant year-round maintenance because they used traditional Japanese methods to build it. I think Jobs had the right idea.
The Jobs house is not small by any measure. And it is not situated in a typical suburban neighborhood.
Steve was Buddhist. Public giving the Carnegie and Gates way is not part of the Buddhist way. Anonymity in sharing and charity is not just the Buddhist way either. Most spiritual cultures have an understanding of this form of giving from the heart.
Those that give out of guilt or for recognition are addicted to personal gains of all kinds.
Steve was Buddhist. Public giving the Carnegie and Gates way is not part of the Buddhist way. Anonymity in sharing and charity is not just the Buddhist way either. Most spiritual cultures have an understanding of this form of giving from the heart.
Those that give out of guilt or for recognition are addicted to personal gains of all kinds.
Interesting ...
So how would you, with your great insight, accept the fact the Jobs did contribute significant to charity through Apple's Product [Red] program? In fact, Apple was the single greatest contributor to the overall Product [Red] program. Is this program spiritually superior to others? Or is it simply a case of he gave on his own terms?
And what about the Steven P. Jobs Foundation that he created in the late 80s. Did he shut it down because his Buddhist conscience catch up to him?
Can you accept the fact that you really don't know what his motives were? I can.
Yes, laundry is a problem regardless of income. My couch is currently invisible under a pile of waiting-for-ironing. Sigh. I hope I don't have any visitors today.
Working at NeXT was always a privilege in my eyes. So many comments on here about people of authority, now at NeXT, are so far off the mark it truly reminds me how bad people are at both portraying these people and perceiving what they are like in real life.
Steve and Laurene both were and are down to earth people. If you saw Steve and never took the time to say hello then you're probably the type who'd rather vilify or enshrine him, but if you did you'd see a normal guy with a wry wit.
Working at NeXT was always a privilege in my eyes. So many comments on here about people of authority, now at NeXT, are so far off the mark it truly reminds me how bad people are at both portraying these people and perceiving what they are like in real life.
Steve and Laurene both were and are down to earth people. If you saw Steve and never took the time to say hello then you're probably the type who'd rather vilify or enshrine him, but if you did you'd see a normal guy with a wry wit.
I've heard the same from many ex-NeXTers, certainly only found him as willing to spend some time on some Atari-days stories when I had the privilege to chat with him for a few minutes one time in the NeXT days as well, and it always just ticks me off when *(&&@*#^$()*&*!s who didn't ever work for/with him, know him at all, or even meet him, can take the time to just call him an egomaniac and a-hole. So far from the guy I met, doesn't sound like this story or your experience either.
Pleasant to work for at all times? Haha... No, I've heard wonderful dressing-down stories, but even the people who were part of those had a deep respect for him and thought he was an incredible guy. Hell, he really made a difference.
Anyways, nice to hear actual everyday tales. Not the things books are made of, but good stuff.
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It was meat-free beer.
Originally Posted by GTR
…then maybe alcohol and sushi could be the answer…
Are these tied to cancer?
Lol....love it!
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
"This is obviously a lie. Jobs hated charity."
Jobs was a buddhist. In buddhism the giving of money is not encouraged as it can lead to greed. Give a man what he needs, not encourage his greed. To lend someone advice or a hand, or even a beer isn't wrong. Steve didn't believe in giving people money as it enables their need for more. Hate isn't part of buddhist practice either. Calling someone a liar, and another hateful on a blog isn't the bravest thing to do. Would you say it to their faces?
Originally Posted by Kr00
Calling someone a liar, and another hateful on a blog isn't the bravest thing to do. Would you say it to their faces?
I certainly believe they'd try.
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Originally Posted by 1983
All the surprise on this guy's part that they were just normal people with laundry. Really, why on earth wouldn't they be? People are people, whether famous and wealthy or not. What did he expect? That they dump golden turds or something! Celebrity is an illusion.
There are very few people at Jobs's level of wealth who don't have a laundry room and a live-in maid. Most of these guys have multiple live-in staff, a house manager, etc. I doubt you'd see laundry strewn about in Gates's or Ellison's giant mansions. Jobs lived very simply for a multibillionaire.
Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
He specifically wanted to give his children a normal suburban upbringing, much like his own.
And good on him for that.
...because he thought they would have help to do that sort of thing...
and i'll bet that Steve Jobs was able to do his own laundry too... (folding laundry is probably why he only wore the thing all the time... or perhaps it was a buddist thing...
kr00's comment, i believe, sheds light on this)
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
He specifically wanted to give his children a normal suburban upbringing, much like his own.
Honestly, I think those big, ostentatious mansions are more of a pain in the ass than anything. There's a great book "Richistan" on the lives of the rich and once you have a certain size house, you need a full-time staff, you need gardeners, maids, maintenance, security, etc, you need a house manager to manage all the staff, and a lot of these guys have more staff than they do family living in their houses. They start to regret it because it just makes life more complicated, finding the right staff is difficult and dealing with them becomes a full-time job. Gates's home and especially Ellison's are on that level. I heard that Ellison's requires constant year-round maintenance because they used traditional Japanese methods to build it. I think Jobs had the right idea.
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Originally Posted by mstone
Just the timing. She asks which country the car is from and .....want a beer. Seems to be something missing....No but was brought one anyway....She doesn't know what kind of car it is but has a friend in a tux who is an expert in Sunbeams... odd. And when was this? Doesn't anyone have a cell phone? Some peculiar story telling with a few missing pieces is all.
Tuxedos, British sports cars, "chance" meeting with an icon .... And this guy's name is Smith?
I believe in a different circumstance, his name would be James ...
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Originally Posted by poke
Honestly, I think those big, ostentatious mansions are more of a pain in the ass than anything. There's a great book "Richistan" on the lives of the rich and once you have a certain size house, you need a full-time staff, you need gardeners, maids, maintenance, security, etc, you need a house manager to manage all the staff, and a lot of these guys have more staff than they do family living in their houses. They start to regret it because it just makes life more complicated, finding the right staff is difficult and dealing with them becomes a full-time job. Gates's home and especially Ellison's are on that level. I heard that Ellison's requires constant year-round maintenance because they used traditional Japanese methods to build it. I think Jobs had the right idea.
The Jobs house is not small by any measure. And it is not situated in a typical suburban neighborhood.
this might be a more genuine-sounding "real person" story:
http://lisenstromberg.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/my-neighbor-steve-jobs/
Steve was Buddhist. Public giving the Carnegie and Gates way is not part of the Buddhist way. Anonymity in sharing and charity is not just the Buddhist way either. Most spiritual cultures have an understanding of this form of giving from the heart.
Those that give out of guilt or for recognition are addicted to personal gains of all kinds.
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Originally Posted by mhikl
Some just can't accept what is.
Steve was Buddhist. Public giving the Carnegie and Gates way is not part of the Buddhist way. Anonymity in sharing and charity is not just the Buddhist way either. Most spiritual cultures have an understanding of this form of giving from the heart.
Those that give out of guilt or for recognition are addicted to personal gains of all kinds.
Interesting ...
So how would you, with your great insight, accept the fact the Jobs did contribute significant to charity through Apple's Product [Red] program? In fact, Apple was the single greatest contributor to the overall Product [Red] program. Is this program spiritually superior to others? Or is it simply a case of he gave on his own terms?
And what about the Steven P. Jobs Foundation that he created in the late 80s. Did he shut it down because his Buddhist conscience catch up to him?
Can you accept the fact that you really don't know what his motives were? I can.
Steve and Laurene both were and are down to earth people. If you saw Steve and never took the time to say hello then you're probably the type who'd rather vilify or enshrine him, but if you did you'd see a normal guy with a wry wit.
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Originally Posted by mdriftmeyer
Working at NeXT was always a privilege in my eyes. So many comments on here about people of authority, now at NeXT, are so far off the mark it truly reminds me how bad people are at both portraying these people and perceiving what they are like in real life.
Steve and Laurene both were and are down to earth people. If you saw Steve and never took the time to say hello then you're probably the type who'd rather vilify or enshrine him, but if you did you'd see a normal guy with a wry wit.
I've heard the same from many ex-NeXTers, certainly only found him as willing to spend some time on some Atari-days stories when I had the privilege to chat with him for a few minutes one time in the NeXT days as well, and it always just ticks me off when *(&&@*#^$()*&*!s who didn't ever work for/with him, know him at all, or even meet him, can take the time to just call him an egomaniac and a-hole. So far from the guy I met, doesn't sound like this story or your experience either.
Pleasant to work for at all times? Haha... No, I've heard wonderful dressing-down stories, but even the people who were part of those had a deep respect for him and thought he was an incredible guy. Hell, he really made a difference.
Anyways, nice to hear actual everyday tales. Not the things books are made of, but good stuff.