"Don't go to a garage sale; you don't know if it's stolen."
No, they're not "part of the problem".
Also, if you buy an electronic device, you might assist some company in commiting copyright infringement by providing them with fresh cash, and possibly profit. So definitely, go all the way and become an Amish.
Am I wrong or are these Minis useless to anybody that tries to register them? I assume that all of the serial numbers are know and that if that number comes up somewhere at registration time it won't work? Rendering them so much dead weight?
I can see Apple having a way to disable them or not activating them, but that doesn't prevent the sellers from getting rid of their stockpile. Before buying an mini from a 3rd party, will getting the serial number first and running a check on Apple's site help identify these units?
Ya- but not guilty. So that's a risk you can take- but TS is right- you aren't part of the problem.
I'm still not sure that I agree with that statement. If you knowingly receive (buy) stolen property, then you are helping those that stole the item profit from said crime. As such, you are part of the problem. The gray area here is the "knowingly" part. But, if you're buying an iPad Mini at a price that's seems to good to be true, some warning bells should be going off telling you that something that seems too good to be true usually is.
I suspect these will wind up in china or southeast asia where they will bring in more than $1.5 Million. Apple has employees on the ground watching all of it's supplies like this. The shipping to China is so cheap now that it is probably cheaper and safer to let them get shipped here and send them back than it would be to steal it in China where you would face the death penalty or worse.
That is a ridiculous statement. It is beyond very likely that Apple receives a list of S/N for every shipment.
I'll go one step further and say that Apple definitely knows the serial #s of those iPad Minis. There's a whole chain of manifest to order to serial #s. I'd be shocked if there wasn't.
I suspect that Apple could detect the MAC address of the device and know that it was stolen however I also doubt they would do anything about it. Most of the people who end up with these devices are not the ones involved in the heist so Apple will just sell them apps and media and let them enjoy their iPad mini regardless. The robbers will in all likelihood be apprehended eventually.
I'm inclined to agree. Keep in mind Apple has insurance for these kinds of things, so it's probably not a financial loss for them. Though some people may be questioned about the origins of their devices to track down the thieves, if they aren't caught first and Apple does have the S/Ns (probably but no guarantee)...
The shipping to China is so cheap now that it is probably cheaper and safer to let them get shipped here and send them back than it would be to steal it in China where you would face the death penalty or worse.
I have a Chinese friend whose father, a prominent professor and author, was executed in China many years ago. To add insult to injury, the next day, government agents showed up at the family residence and demanded payment for the bullet used in the execution.
I would argue that Berne Maddof, subprime market loans, and Super PACs would far outweigh that paltry $5 million robbery.
Technically, morally and in the hurt caused.
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Originally Posted by mstone
I suspect that Apple could detect the MAC address of the device and know that it was stolen however I also doubt they would do anything about it. Most of the people who end up with these devices are not the ones involved in the heist so Apple will just sell them apps and media and let them enjoy their iPad mini regardless. The robbers will in all likelihood be apprehended eventually.
I agree. I wonder if they would pass the information off to the police in order to help nab the culprits? I suspect they will say nothing unless the devices are all activated in a tight geographical area.
I have a Chinese friend whose father, a prominent professor and author, was executed in China many years ago. To add insult to injury, the next day, government agents showed up at the family residence and demand payment for the bullet used in the execution.
What? Well, unless it was made of silver (out of necessity).
I can see Apple having a way to disable them or not activating them, but that doesn't prevent the sellers from getting rid of their stockpile. Before buying an mini from a 3rd party, will getting the serial number first and running a check on Apple's site help identify these units?
It would be easy enough to disable on startup, so that anybody that checks to see it is operational would find ...it wasn't.
I'm still not sure that I agree with that statement. If you knowingly receive (buy) stolen property, then you are helping those that stole the item profit from said crime. As such, you are part of the problem. The gray area here is the "knowingly" part. But, if you're buying an iPad Mini at a price that's seems to good to be true, some warning bells should be going off telling you that something that seems too good to be true usually is.
That isn't gray- that's black. If you knowingly buy/receive stolen- you're 100% at blame and absolutely part of the problem.
If you buy something for a good price, that's relative and to be taken on a case by case. But to never buy anything on Craigslist or eBay because of the <1% chance something is stolen is a pretty simplistic statement- That was Satorical's statement- not yours btw.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
"Don't go to a garage sale; you don't know if it's stolen."
No, they're not "part of the problem".
Also, if you buy an electronic device, you might assist some company in commiting copyright infringement by providing them with fresh cash, and possibly profit. So definitely, go all the way and become an Amish.
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Originally Posted by Andysol
So they were close to getting $3.75 Million worth of minis. Wow.
Now go and get your shine box
It's funny, you know. It's a good story, it's funny, you're a funny guy!
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Originally Posted by massconn72
Am I wrong or are these Minis useless to anybody that tries to register them? I assume that all of the serial numbers are know and that if that number comes up somewhere at registration time it won't work? Rendering them so much dead weight?
I can see Apple having a way to disable them or not activating them, but that doesn't prevent the sellers from getting rid of their stockpile. Before buying an mini from a 3rd party, will getting the serial number first and running a check on Apple's site help identify these units?
Inside job, obviously.
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Originally Posted by Andysol
Ya- but not guilty. So that's a risk you can take- but TS is right- you aren't part of the problem.
I'm still not sure that I agree with that statement. If you knowingly receive (buy) stolen property, then you are helping those that stole the item profit from said crime. As such, you are part of the problem. The gray area here is the "knowingly" part. But, if you're buying an iPad Mini at a price that's seems to good to be true, some warning bells should be going off telling you that something that seems too good to be true usually is.
/senses Samsung stole to relabel and resell
Samsung says: "I could have been a pretender! Oh wait, I am!"
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
1) This explains the new delivery times of 5 to 10 with good behavior.
2) How many MS Surface's have been stolen to date?
I would argue that Berne Maddof, subprime market loans, and Super PACs would far outweigh that paltry $5 million robbery.
Ok. I know this is not a Samsung thread, but 1,400 Galaxy Note 2 stolen in Malaysia
http://www.zdnet.com/my/malaysia-arrests-12-for-heist-of-1400-galaxy-note-2-devices-7000006647/
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Originally Posted by Ireland
Inside job, obviously.
Obviously. Apple needs 24 hour armed security for those shipments. Those iDevices are like bars of gold.
It's Apple's fault. HeistGate!
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Originally Posted by charlituna
It is unlikely Apple knows the serials in those crates.
That is a ridiculous statement. It is beyond very likely that Apple receives a list of S/N for every shipment.
I suspect these will wind up in china or southeast asia where they will bring in more than $1.5 Million. Apple has employees on the ground watching all of it's supplies like this. The shipping to China is so cheap now that it is probably cheaper and safer to let them get shipped here and send them back than it would be to steal it in China where you would face the death penalty or worse.
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Originally Posted by brutus009
That is a ridiculous statement. It is beyond very likely that Apple receives a list of S/N for every shipment.
I'll go one step further and say that Apple definitely knows the serial #s of those iPad Minis. There's a whole chain of manifest to order to serial #s. I'd be shocked if there wasn't.
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Originally Posted by mstone
I suspect that Apple could detect the MAC address of the device and know that it was stolen however I also doubt they would do anything about it. Most of the people who end up with these devices are not the ones involved in the heist so Apple will just sell them apps and media and let them enjoy their iPad mini regardless. The robbers will in all likelihood be apprehended eventually.
I'm inclined to agree. Keep in mind Apple has insurance for these kinds of things, so it's probably not a financial loss for them. Though some people may be questioned about the origins of their devices to track down the thieves, if they aren't caught first and Apple does have the S/Ns (probably but no guarantee)...
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Originally Posted by Macnewsjunkie
The shipping to China is so cheap now that it is probably cheaper and safer to let them get shipped here and send them back than it would be to steal it in China where you would face the death penalty or worse.
I have a Chinese friend whose father, a prominent professor and author, was executed in China many years ago. To add insult to injury, the next day, government agents showed up at the family residence and demanded payment for the bullet used in the execution.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
I would argue that Berne Maddof, subprime market loans, and Super PACs would far outweigh that paltry $5 million robbery.
Technically, morally and in the hurt caused.
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Originally Posted by mstone
I suspect that Apple could detect the MAC address of the device and know that it was stolen however I also doubt they would do anything about it. Most of the people who end up with these devices are not the ones involved in the heist so Apple will just sell them apps and media and let them enjoy their iPad mini regardless. The robbers will in all likelihood be apprehended eventually.
I agree. I wonder if they would pass the information off to the police in order to help nab the culprits? I suspect they will say nothing unless the devices are all activated in a tight geographical area.
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Originally Posted by mstone
I have a Chinese friend whose father, a prominent professor and author, was executed in China many years ago. To add insult to injury, the next day, government agents showed up at the family residence and demand payment for the bullet used in the execution.
What? Well, unless it was made of silver (out of necessity).
It would be easy enough to disable on startup, so that anybody that checks to see it is operational would find ...it wasn't.
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Originally Posted by Rot'nApple
DeNiro says: "I could have been a contender!" (I know different film)
Samsung says: "I could have been a pretender! Oh wait, I am!"
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That was Brando
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Originally Posted by joelsalt
That was Brando
I coulda been somebody...instead of a bum.
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Originally Posted by Rob55
I'm still not sure that I agree with that statement. If you knowingly receive (buy) stolen property, then you are helping those that stole the item profit from said crime. As such, you are part of the problem. The gray area here is the "knowingly" part. But, if you're buying an iPad Mini at a price that's seems to good to be true, some warning bells should be going off telling you that something that seems too good to be true usually is.
That isn't gray- that's black. If you knowingly buy/receive stolen- you're 100% at blame and absolutely part of the problem.
If you buy something for a good price, that's relative and to be taken on a case by case. But to never buy anything on Craigslist or eBay because of the <1% chance something is stolen is a pretty simplistic statement- That was Satorical's statement- not yours btw.