Just realize that we live in a universe where Apple is doing just fine. However there is another parallel universe where Android is WINNING! In this universe Charlie Sheen has a black goatee and is evil.
Just realize that we live in a universe where Apple is doing just fine. However there is another parallel universe where Android is WINNING!
Unfortunately, the people driving the stock price live in that alternate universe.
What they don't get is that even if Apple's profits drop by 50%, their P/E ratio would still be in line with the rest of the market - and better than most of their competition.
Unfortunately, the people driving the stock price live in that alternate universe.
What they don't get is that even if Apple's profits drop by 50%, their P/E ratio would still be in line with the rest of the market - and better than most of their competition.
If only AAPL would do a stock split, then that would bring in all the investors sitting on the fence beause they think the price too high. Say do a 10 for 1 split, bringing it to a $50. stock, and in no time at all, AAPL will shoot up to $100 and more. Other wise this stock will continue to stagnate.
am I the only one who wonders why a university would do this? I personally love having my iPad, but see next to NO value having it in a lecture hall. I'm a computer engineer, and have sat through more than my share of classes, and if anything, electronic devices distract the students. Phones, tablets, laptops, etc. At least a laptop user could be taking notes, and people can legitimately say that they can type as fast as the professor speaks. That kind of works for some classes, but try taking notes for a math class on a laptop! Sure, a tablet could allow freeform text input, but the ipad doesn't really do that, so handwriting notes on there isn't a win. typing on there is also not a win. So in reality, you'll end up with 11,000 students in classes playing words with friends, or talking on facebook instead of paying attention to class.
If electronic devices are integrated properly into a classroom, they can be useful, but only for short segments. They do not currently replace existing techniques. They could be useful for taking quizes (if there was a way to prevent cheating, which will always be a problem on internet connected devices), they can be useful in labs for taking photos, and quick notes, making up spreadsheets as you go along, viewing graphs etc. Much of that stuff is easier to do on a tablet than by hand or with a graphing calculator. Other usages could be replacing text books with e books, but how often are text books used in the classroom, and what happens if a professor wants to have an "open book exam". There are also other things professors can do to integrate tablets into the classroom, but will they? At least in the USA, college professors are some of the people least qualified to teach college students. Having a PhD says nothing about your ability to teach the subject, just that you have mastered doing research in a niche area of it. Do you really think they care about learning new teaching techniques, especially when they have research to do? At most schools, a professor's ability to teach is one of the least important qualities when tenure is considered, so what motivation do they have to really utilize new technology rather than attempt to teach students the same way they were taught? Additionally, once a professor has tenure, they're immune to everything short of sexual harrassment, or charges of racism, do you really think the older tenured faculty are going to spend their time developing new teaching strategies?
So what will likely happen is that the school spends millions more developing software for the tablets, and a few professors use it. The net cost to the student is likely in the thousands of dollars per year, but they get a shiny new iPad out of the deal. I have a feeling this is just another example of the waste that causes college prices to rise far faster than inflation.
…next to NO value having it in a lecture hall. …electronic devices distract the students. …a tablet could allow freeform text input, but the iPad doesn't really do that,… so handwriting notes on there isn't a win. (if there was a way to prevent cheating, which will always be a problem on internet connected devices) …what happens if a professor wants to have an "open book exam". Additionally, once a professor has tenure, they're immune to everything short of sexual harrassment, or charges of racism, do you really think the older tenured faculty are going to spend their time developing new teaching strategies?
In order: for notes, willpower, does it really well, Nope; lockdown browser, shut off local Wi-Fi, and wouldn't the older ones be most likely to be the actual teachers who care?
In order: for notes, willpower, does it really well, Nope; lockdown browser, shut off local Wi-Fi, and wouldn't the older ones be most likely to be the actual teachers who care?
I'm not sure what you're getting at for taking notes, I'm sure their are apps that allow it, and make it fairly decent, but I highly doubt it beats old pencil and paper. The only advantage of taking notes on your ipad is that you're less likely to lose/forget your ipad than your notebook. As far as locking down a web browser and shutting off local wifi to prevent cheating... Good luck. What happens when a student tethers from their phone? As far as I know no ios apps really allow locking down and restricting internet access on an ipad. That would require access to kernel apis that likely can't get called without jailbreaking... Unless you're saying the schools should jailbreak their ipads. Also, even if such an app exists, a student could jailbreak their ipad and get around it. It's similar to the problem of students storing notes on their calculators, only much much worse. The fact of the matter is it is just too easy for a student to work around any limitations on the device, to the point where tests with an ipad aren't valid.
As far as which teachers care, it's not so much a matter of caring, versus having the time and will to learn a new method of teaching. Especially if it's an extra workload on your part that doesn't ease anything. Professors are already working crazy hours (mostly on their research), and taking time out to do ipad stuff just seems like a waste. For all of the things an ipad can do, it is mostly a toy. Although they can be used for serious work, it's normally not the primary method of doing it. Contractors might use them to look up information or setup bills, but they don't use tablets to do their work. The only field where I see tablets being a "disruptive" technology that really changes the flow is in hospitals, where having instant connectivity to a patients records, and reducing the chance of wrong sheets making it to a patient is a huge deal. Even there, the ipad is a tool that would be used primarily for consumption. Short notes would be entered on there, but anything detailed would likely be input from a computer.
Trying to use ipads in a lecture hall just seems like trying to marry fashion with the classroom. Students will think the school is hip, parents will think the school is technologically advanced, but in reality the school just opened up another way for students to goof off during classtime.
I'm not sure what you're getting at for taking notes, I'm sure their are apps that allow it, and make it fairly decent, but I highly doubt it beats old pencil and paper.
Much faster, much more legible, perfectly capable…
As far as locking down a web browser and shutting off local wifi to prevent cheating... Good luck.
Already been done. Called the LockDown browser; I mentioned it.
What happens when a student tethers from their phone?
Doesn't matter; they're still using that browser.
Also, even if such an app exists, a student could jailbreak their ipad and get around it.
Have the app run a call to check for jailbreaking. If yes, return 0. If no, run. Apple did the exact same thing.
For all of the things an ipad can do, it is mostly a toy.
Nope.
Although they can be used for serious work, it's normally not the primary method of doing it.
You bring up an interesting point. I'd love to see the ratio.
Trying to use ipads in a lecture hall just seems like trying to marry fashion with the classroom. Students will think the school is hip, parents will think the school is technologically advanced, but in reality the school just opened up another way for students to goof off during classtime.
Why are you resummarizing your point when I've already negated most of it?
am I the only one who wonders why a university would do this? I personally love having my iPad, but see next to NO value having it in a lecture hall. I'm a computer engineer, and have sat through more than my share of classes, and if anything, electronic devices distract the students. Phones, tablets, laptops, etc. At least a laptop user could be taking notes, and people can legitimately say that they can type as fast as the professor speaks. That kind of works for some classes, but try taking notes for a math class on a laptop! Sure, a tablet could allow freeform text input, but the ipad doesn't really do that, so handwriting notes on there isn't a win. typing on there is also not a win. So in reality, you'll end up with 11,000 students in classes playing words with friends, or talking on facebook instead of paying attention to class.
If electronic devices are integrated properly into a classroom, they can be useful, but only for short segments. They do not currently replace existing techniques. They could be useful for taking quizes (if there was a way to prevent cheating, which will always be a problem on internet connected devices), they can be useful in labs for taking photos, and quick notes, making up spreadsheets as you go along, viewing graphs etc. Much of that stuff is easier to do on a tablet than by hand or with a graphing calculator. Other usages could be replacing text books with e books, but how often are text books used in the classroom, and what happens if a professor wants to have an "open book exam". There are also other things professors can do to integrate tablets into the classroom, but will they? At least in the USA, college professors are some of the people least qualified to teach college students. Having a PhD says nothing about your ability to teach the subject, just that you have mastered doing research in a niche area of it. Do you really think they care about learning new teaching techniques, especially when they have research to do? At most schools, a professor's ability to teach is one of the least important qualities when tenure is considered, so what motivation do they have to really utilize new technology rather than attempt to teach students the same way they were taught? Additionally, once a professor has tenure, they're immune to everything short of sexual harrassment, or charges of racism, do you really think the older tenured faculty are going to spend their time developing new teaching strategies?
So what will likely happen is that the school spends millions more developing software for the tablets, and a few professors use it. The net cost to the student is likely in the thousands of dollars per year, but they get a shiny new iPad out of the deal. I have a feeling this is just another example of the waste that causes college prices to rise far faster than inflation.
Phil
You can take notes as easily on an ipad as on a notebook - and you don't have clicking keys to distract the people around you.
As for the rest, some schools are better than others - and virtually all of them are better than they were 5 years ago. It's a work in progress.
You can take notes as easily on an ipad as on a notebook - and you don't have clicking keys to distract the people around you.
As for the rest, some schools are better than others - and virtually all of them are better than they were 5 years ago. It's a work in progress.
I think you mistake my reference to a notebook.. I meant the paper kind... Not the laptop kind. A regular notebook is incredibly versatile for taking notes, it's almost as if it was designed with that task in mind. I remember trying to use my old laptop in class years ago, and all it did was encourage me to not pay attention by distracting me. Although useful in labs, computers (including an ipad) are far more of a distraction to students in a lecture hall than they are useful.
If students really must have "digital" notes, they can scan in their paper notes when they're done. I don't see this obsession with trying to force technology into every facet of life. Sometimes the old ways are still better.
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Yes, Adelaide U. was an early adopter: students enrolling in a BSc program got one beginning in 2011. With UWS it's for all programs.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
And Apple stock will drop another 5 points.
Just realize that we live in a universe where Apple is doing just fine. However there is another parallel universe where Android is WINNING! In this universe Charlie Sheen has a black goatee and is evil.
What do you guys do when looking for apps for your devices? I found this http://www.mevvy.com/articles/the-15-best-tools-apps-for-your-ipad-part-1/ what do you guys think? Has anyone heard of this site before?
Unfortunately, the people driving the stock price live in that alternate universe.
What they don't get is that even if Apple's profits drop by 50%, their P/E ratio would still be in line with the rest of the market - and better than most of their competition.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Unfortunately, the people driving the stock price live in that alternate universe.
What they don't get is that even if Apple's profits drop by 50%, their P/E ratio would still be in line with the rest of the market - and better than most of their competition.
If only AAPL would do a stock split, then that would bring in all the investors sitting on the fence beause they think the price too high. Say do a 10 for 1 split, bringing it to a $50. stock, and in no time at all, AAPL will shoot up to $100 and more. Other wise this stock will continue to stagnate.
Originally Posted by Potsie Webber
Other wise this stock will continue to stagnate.
Apple stock between the last two splits.
Apple stock since the last split.
Note the difference in Y scale. 10-40 to 100-700.
"Stagnate", huh.
Okay smart guy, what has this stock done the past 6 months? STAGNATE.
Originally Posted by Potsie Webber
Okay smart guy, what has this stock done the past 6 months? STAGNATE.
Up YoY. Apple has always been a long-haul stock.
am I the only one who wonders why a university would do this? I personally love having my iPad, but see next to NO value having it in a lecture hall. I'm a computer engineer, and have sat through more than my share of classes, and if anything, electronic devices distract the students. Phones, tablets, laptops, etc. At least a laptop user could be taking notes, and people can legitimately say that they can type as fast as the professor speaks. That kind of works for some classes, but try taking notes for a math class on a laptop! Sure, a tablet could allow freeform text input, but the ipad doesn't really do that, so handwriting notes on there isn't a win. typing on there is also not a win. So in reality, you'll end up with 11,000 students in classes playing words with friends, or talking on facebook instead of paying attention to class.
If electronic devices are integrated properly into a classroom, they can be useful, but only for short segments. They do not currently replace existing techniques. They could be useful for taking quizes (if there was a way to prevent cheating, which will always be a problem on internet connected devices), they can be useful in labs for taking photos, and quick notes, making up spreadsheets as you go along, viewing graphs etc. Much of that stuff is easier to do on a tablet than by hand or with a graphing calculator. Other usages could be replacing text books with e books, but how often are text books used in the classroom, and what happens if a professor wants to have an "open book exam". There are also other things professors can do to integrate tablets into the classroom, but will they? At least in the USA, college professors are some of the people least qualified to teach college students. Having a PhD says nothing about your ability to teach the subject, just that you have mastered doing research in a niche area of it. Do you really think they care about learning new teaching techniques, especially when they have research to do? At most schools, a professor's ability to teach is one of the least important qualities when tenure is considered, so what motivation do they have to really utilize new technology rather than attempt to teach students the same way they were taught? Additionally, once a professor has tenure, they're immune to everything short of sexual harrassment, or charges of racism, do you really think the older tenured faculty are going to spend their time developing new teaching strategies?
So what will likely happen is that the school spends millions more developing software for the tablets, and a few professors use it. The net cost to the student is likely in the thousands of dollars per year, but they get a shiny new iPad out of the deal. I have a feeling this is just another example of the waste that causes college prices to rise far faster than inflation.
Phil
Originally Posted by philter
…next to NO value having it in a lecture hall. …electronic devices distract the students. …a tablet could allow freeform text input, but the iPad doesn't really do that,… so handwriting notes on there isn't a win. (if there was a way to prevent cheating, which will always be a problem on internet connected devices) …what happens if a professor wants to have an "open book exam". Additionally, once a professor has tenure, they're immune to everything short of sexual harrassment, or charges of racism, do you really think the older tenured faculty are going to spend their time developing new teaching strategies?
In order: for notes, willpower, does it really well, Nope; lockdown browser, shut off local Wi-Fi, and wouldn't the older ones be most likely to be the actual teachers who care?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
In order: for notes, willpower, does it really well, Nope; lockdown browser, shut off local Wi-Fi, and wouldn't the older ones be most likely to be the actual teachers who care?
I'm not sure what you're getting at for taking notes, I'm sure their are apps that allow it, and make it fairly decent, but I highly doubt it beats old pencil and paper. The only advantage of taking notes on your ipad is that you're less likely to lose/forget your ipad than your notebook. As far as locking down a web browser and shutting off local wifi to prevent cheating... Good luck. What happens when a student tethers from their phone? As far as I know no ios apps really allow locking down and restricting internet access on an ipad. That would require access to kernel apis that likely can't get called without jailbreaking... Unless you're saying the schools should jailbreak their ipads. Also, even if such an app exists, a student could jailbreak their ipad and get around it. It's similar to the problem of students storing notes on their calculators, only much much worse. The fact of the matter is it is just too easy for a student to work around any limitations on the device, to the point where tests with an ipad aren't valid.
As far as which teachers care, it's not so much a matter of caring, versus having the time and will to learn a new method of teaching. Especially if it's an extra workload on your part that doesn't ease anything. Professors are already working crazy hours (mostly on their research), and taking time out to do ipad stuff just seems like a waste. For all of the things an ipad can do, it is mostly a toy. Although they can be used for serious work, it's normally not the primary method of doing it. Contractors might use them to look up information or setup bills, but they don't use tablets to do their work. The only field where I see tablets being a "disruptive" technology that really changes the flow is in hospitals, where having instant connectivity to a patients records, and reducing the chance of wrong sheets making it to a patient is a huge deal. Even there, the ipad is a tool that would be used primarily for consumption. Short notes would be entered on there, but anything detailed would likely be input from a computer.
Trying to use ipads in a lecture hall just seems like trying to marry fashion with the classroom. Students will think the school is hip, parents will think the school is technologically advanced, but in reality the school just opened up another way for students to goof off during classtime.
Phil
Originally Posted by philgar
I'm not sure what you're getting at for taking notes, I'm sure their are apps that allow it, and make it fairly decent, but I highly doubt it beats old pencil and paper.
Much faster, much more legible, perfectly capable…
As far as locking down a web browser and shutting off local wifi to prevent cheating... Good luck.
Already been done. Called the LockDown browser; I mentioned it.
What happens when a student tethers from their phone?
Doesn't matter; they're still using that browser.
Also, even if such an app exists, a student could jailbreak their ipad and get around it.
Have the app run a call to check for jailbreaking. If yes, return 0. If no, run. Apple did the exact same thing.
For all of the things an ipad can do, it is mostly a toy.
Nope.
Although they can be used for serious work, it's normally not the primary method of doing it.
You bring up an interesting point. I'd love to see the ratio.
Trying to use ipads in a lecture hall just seems like trying to marry fashion with the classroom. Students will think the school is hip, parents will think the school is technologically advanced, but in reality the school just opened up another way for students to goof off during classtime.
Why are you resummarizing your point when I've already negated most of it?
You can take notes as easily on an ipad as on a notebook - and you don't have clicking keys to distract the people around you.
As for the rest, some schools are better than others - and virtually all of them are better than they were 5 years ago. It's a work in progress.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
You can take notes as easily on an ipad as on a notebook - and you don't have clicking keys to distract the people around you.
As for the rest, some schools are better than others - and virtually all of them are better than they were 5 years ago. It's a work in progress.
I think you mistake my reference to a notebook.. I meant the paper kind... Not the laptop kind. A regular notebook is incredibly versatile for taking notes, it's almost as if it was designed with that task in mind. I remember trying to use my old laptop in class years ago, and all it did was encourage me to not pay attention by distracting me. Although useful in labs, computers (including an ipad) are far more of a distraction to students in a lecture hall than they are useful.
If students really must have "digital" notes, they can scan in their paper notes when they're done. I don't see this obsession with trying to force technology into every facet of life. Sometimes the old ways are still better.
Phil