Apple updates MFi guidelines after Kickstarter project flap

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  • Reply 21 of 43
    gazoobeegazoobee Posts: 3,754member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zorinlynx View Post



    ... MAME comes out for iOS? Kill it. ...


     


    You sound like a twelve year old here.  


    The big thing you have for MAME however, reveals you to be a twelve year old boy in the body of a 40-50 year old man.  


     


    Everything you say is so filled with hyperbole and so obviously personal to you and you alone that it's basically not worth reading at all.  


     


    Your big beefs are that Apple won't support a quasi-legal emulator project that happened to be forked to iOS recently, that they won't buy into the European nonsense about the mini USB jack, and that "awesome" apps (un-named) have been thrown out of the app store. Seriously?! 

  • Reply 22 of 43
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,454member
    gazoobee wrote: »
    in terms of the actual products, it will only delay the adoption of lightning as a standard and ensure that the average cost of lightning accessories remains higher than it would have been otherwise.  

    The whiners win with this decision, and rationality and reason lose.  
    No, the adoption of Lightning as a standard will be delayed as long as Apple continues to sell an iPhone 4, 4S, iPad 2 and iPod Touch (4) and Classic with the 30-pin dock connector. The iPad 2 may go away this Spring, but unless Apple updates the iPhone 4/S with Lightning, then there's two products that will require 30-pin dock connector support and accessories for another year and a half. The iPod Touch (4) and Classic are likely here until at least the next refresh if not longer.

    It's unreasonable to thwart their own customers as well as third party vendors Apple relies upon, from buying and selling future proof devices. What Apple customer in their right mind is going to buy a product that will be obsolete in a year when they upgrade to their next iPhone? And what happens if the only products available are for lightning devices only? Maybe they switch to Android.

    What's rational is for Apple to approve the use of 30-pin dock connectors with Lightning until they discontinue the connector on new products altogether. And that's most likely what they've done. When they stop offering the 30-pin docking connector, then maybe they can restrict them in future lightning products.
  • Reply 23 of 43


    Originally Posted by Mac_128 View Post

    And what happens if the only products available are for lightning devices only? Maybe they switch to Android.


     


    Illogical assumption, but the right answer is "they upgrade their device".

  • Reply 24 of 43
    john.bjohn.b Posts: 2,742member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zorinlynx View Post



    Mac App Store applications that are just slightly too useful? Kill them.


     


    And I wish more OS X applications were sandboxed, so my vote cancels yours out.

  • Reply 25 of 43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gazoobee View Post


     


    You sound like a twelve year old here.  


    The big thing you have for MAME however, reveals you to be a twelve year old boy in the body of a 40-50 year old man.  


     


    Everything you say is so filled with hyperbole and so obviously personal to you and you alone that it's basically not worth reading at all.  


     


    Your big beefs are that Apple won't support a quasi-legal emulator project that happened to be forked to iOS recently, that they won't buy into the European nonsense about the mini USB jack, and that "awesome" apps (un-named) have been thrown out of the app store. Seriously?! 



     


    So you insult my maturity level rather than provide a reasonable argument? Way to go.


     


    In any case, Apple doesn't HAVE to support MAME. They could have just let it be in the App Store. Lots of people think that project is awesome; just because you don't care for it doesn't mean others don't!


     


    Besides, this is just an example. There have been NUMEROUS projects that have been removed from the App Store over the years, all because Apple as a company doesn't personally approve of them. Apple could do the right thing, and stick to only denying approval to apps that cause security/stability problems... but they choose to bring their own morals into it instead.

  • Reply 26 of 43
    mac_128mac_128 Posts: 3,454member
    Illogical assumption, but the right answer is "they upgrade their device".
    Around here, sure. But that's like saying that kids who want to go to college or start a business should just do what Mitt Romney did and borrow money from their parents.

    Granted this is anecdotal, but I had a friend switch from her iPhone to a Razr, in part because of the availability of USB chargers. She could never find a 30-pin dock connector charger when she needed one. But since there are many more phones and devices on the market that use USB, especially outside the US, she could always find one of those. She owns no other Apple products, could get the apps she wanted on Android, and had no particular preference over UI. I know lots of people who approach their smartphones this way. They just don't see the difference, it's about how the phone fits into their lives.

    Not everyone who buys an iPhone is a die hard Apple user. There are plenty of first time iPhone buyers buying an iPad 2, iPod Touch (4) or iPhone 4/S who don't own any other Apple products. If Apple created a situation where the only new accessory products on the market had Lightning connectors only, incompatible with their own newly purchased iDevice, I doubt those people would necessarily embrace the platform, nor would they upgrade just having bought a new, iPod Touch (4), iPad 2, or subsidized iphone, and suddenly Android looks less restrictive, and more affordable for their next media player, phone or tablet.
  • Reply 27 of 43
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    zorinlynx wrote: »
    - MAME being removed from iOS:

    Um, they did do this. I still have it installed on my iPad, because I downloaded it before it was removed.

    - Universal charging adapters:

    That's what this entire post is about.

    - Killing useful Mac Store apps:

    http://mplayerx.org/leave-mas.html

    They didn't outright remove the app, but the sandboxing restrictions meant the app would no longer be anywhere near as useful. Their complete failure to budge on the sandboxing is ridiculous.

    Apple removed MAME because of lawsuit concerns, universal power adaptors potentially limited a device's capabilities, and you didn't name any apps removed from the app store.

    With that said, Apple did remove the excellent iKamasultra app from the App Store.
  • Reply 28 of 43
    The posting/story is nothing but Kickstarter promo and fodder for the apple-whiners/FUD-peddlers (click generators to be sure).
    gazoobee wrote: »
    The position they originally took wasn't unreasonable either though.  This appeasement will quiet the tempers of those complaining, but in terms of the actual products, it will only delay the adoption of lightning as a standard and ensure that the average cost of lightning accessories remains higher than it would have been otherwise.  

    The whiners win with this decision, and rationality and reason lose.  

    You nailed it with the "winners and losers" angle. Same situation has repeated at least several times, this being only the latest. The first "whiner victory" I can recall was the kerfuffle of "multitasking" in IOS. Of course IOS is a Unix-based OS, so it's had "real" multitasking from day one, but that mattered not to the whiner echo-chamber. I actually don't mind the addition the the task-switcher, but everything else that was added to appease the whiners had exactly the bad effects that were expected while delivering almost zero benefit. In fact, my experience was that the change was a net-negative in the whole device becoming slow and sluggish. (which, again, was expected) I'd love to have my pre-"multitasking" performance back - everthing down to unlocking the device happened much more crisply - practically instant for almost everything. Now sometimes I have to wait for iOS to "boot up" to the point it will accept user input. Suck just like a desktop computer, which is not what I want from a "post PC" at all. Thanks whiners!

    zorinlynx wrote: »
    So you insult my maturity level rather than provide a reasonable argument? Way to go.

    You really shouldn't have skin that thin. (I think you may have let him troll you into this response actually.) Unless he was right, you have nothing to worry about since he's no more than some opinion on the internet. If he was right, then all you have to do is not prove him right and nobody here would ever be the wiser.

    I will say that I consider all the points you made to be pretty easily defensible from Apple's (as well as their customers') point of view.

    I think if you/others want things that are good in IOS (e.g. lightning quickness, licensing programs, app store policies, etc) to be different you should remember that there is jailbreaking and there is Android. Soon(now?) you will have new Nokia and Blackberry options to choose from too. You have options - please stop wishing things for IOS! LOL.

    While I like it when Apple demonstrates some flexibilty in their practices, I wish they were less reactionary/more steadfast behind their good decisions.

    -Matt

    P.S. It often seems like "people" actually can't wait to have the equivalent of Win95 (i.e. a complete waste of a copy-cat OS as a monopoly) in the smartphone market. I still think it's just plain sad how the personal computer market turned out given how awesome things were back in the 8-bit days. MSFT (and their brainless CIO-acolytes) literally bankrupted the industry.
  • Reply 29 of 43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zorinlynx View Post



    The way Apple behaves sometimes makes me think they have a guy whose job it is to look at everything coming out of the company and out of other companies and put a stop to anything that is "too awesome".

    MAME comes out for iOS? Kill it. Universal charging adapters? Kill them. Mac App Store applications that are just slightly too useful? Kill them.

    Ugh. This is the main aspect of the company that I hate and I wish they'd knock it off.


     


    And yet when Google prevents Open Handset Alliance members from selling phones loaded with non-Google-approved Android forks, Fandroids applaud it. Where that's famous Fandroid idolatry of "choice" and "openness"? Oh wait, it's only evil when Apple does it.


     


    Ugh. This is the main aspect of Google that I hate and I wish they'd knock it off.

  • Reply 30 of 43
    tbelltbell Posts: 3,146member
    mac_128 wrote: »
    Around here, sure. But that's like saying that kids who want to go to college or start a business should just do what Mitt Romney did and borrow money from their parents.
    Granted this is anecdotal, but I had a friend switch from her iPhone to a Razr, in part because of the availability of USB chargers. She could never find a 30-pin dock connector charger when she needed one. But since there are many more phones and devices on the market that use USB, especially outside the US, she could always find one of those. She owns no other Apple products, could get the apps she wanted on Android, and had no particular preference over UI. I know lots of people who approach their smartphones this way. They just don't see the difference, it's about how the phone fits into their lives.
    Not everyone who buys an iPhone is a die hard Apple user. There are plenty of first time iPhone buyers buying an iPad 2, iPod Touch (4) or iPhone 4/S who don't own any other Apple products. If Apple created a situation where the only new accessory products on the market had Lightning connectors only, incompatible with their own newly purchased iDevice, I doubt those people would necessarily embrace the platform, nor would they upgrade just having bought a new, iPod Touch (4), iPad 2, or subsidized iphone, and suddenly Android looks less restrictive, and more affordable for their next media player, phone or tablet.

    Yes but the universal USB charger is inferior to the lightening adaptor. I hate going to plug my charger in and having to fiddle with it to make sure the adaptor is facing the right direction. With Apple's design I don't have to worry about that.

    For what it is worth Motorola was the worst for having a different adaptor design for every product. It was a joke to because no matter how many pins the adaptor appeared to have, they all would have the same two wires. Apple at least spread the design out to all its products and doesn't change it willy nilly.
  • Reply 31 of 43

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post



    "If it has to be an Apple-only product, and Lightning can't be next to, say, an Android charger, then it's still not something we want to make," Siminoff said after learning of the updated guidelines. "I hope they become customer friendly. Maybe we will be able to do [the POP charger] after all."


     


    I know right? Apple's totally not customer friendly. Why, did you know that they won't license iOS to clone makers? It's like they hate customers or something! And like, did you know that Apple won't allow the "Made for iPhone" logo on something with an "Android charger" (whatever the **** that means) because it would look like Apple approved of Android chargers (whatever that means)? Pssh. That's like some kind of dick move, right? I hope they become customer friendly, right? Maybe we will be able to slap a "Made for iPhone" logo on something with an Android charger (whatever that means), after all.

  • Reply 32 of 43
    v5vv5v Posts: 1,357member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TBell View Post



    Yes but the universal USB charger is inferior to the lightening adaptor. I hate going to plug my charger in and having to fiddle with it to make sure the adaptor is facing the right direction. With Apple's design I don't have to worry about that.


     


    Really? It's too much trouble to turn a connector right side up? How did you survive years of 30-pin Apple dock connectors? USB plugs going into your computer? Firewire connections of any type? The cord for your VACUUM CLEANER?!


     


    Unlike Gazoobee, I think there's substantially more benefit to having one connector that works with every device on the market than simply not having to work out which way is up.

  • Reply 33 of 43
    haarhaar Posts: 563member
    I know right? Apple's totally not customer friendly. Why, did you know that they won't license iOS to clone makers? It's like they hate customers or something! And like, did you know that Apple won't allow the "Made for iPhone" logo on something with an "Android charger" (whatever the **** that means) because it would look like Apple approved of Android chargers (whatever that means)? Pssh. That's like some kind of dick move, right? I hope they become customer friendly, right? Maybe we will be able to slap a "Made for iPhone" logo on something with an Android charger (whatever that means), after all.

    forgot the sarcasm tag... LOL
  • Reply 34 of 43
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,625member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post


     


    And yet when Google prevents Open Handset Alliance members from selling phones loaded with non-Google-approved Android forks, Fandroids applaud it. Where that's famous Fandroid idolatry of "choice" and "openness"? Oh wait, it's only evil when Apple does it.


     


    Ugh. This is the main aspect of Google that I hate and I wish they'd knock it off.



    I'd agree if that's what happened. It's not. Acer was free to promote and sell any Android-forked phone they wished. They just couldn't also be a preferred member of the Open Handset Alliance, receiving all the same benefits of those who followed the guidelines if they were going to be at odds with the organizations goals by encouraging incompatible forks of the OS. I've no doubt at all that you can clearly see the difference.


     


    EDIT: for anyone who's unclear on what this is about


    http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/14/3335204/google-statement-acer-smartphone-launch-aliyun-android

  • Reply 35 of 43
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by zorinlynx View Post


    Besides, this is just an example. There have been NUMEROUS projects that have been removed from the App Store over the years, all because Apple as a company doesn't personally approve of them. Apple could do the right thing, and stick to only denying approval to apps that cause security/stability problems... but they choose to bring their own morals into it instead.



     


    VLC was removed because some french, free software hippy used his own morals to object based on terms of VLC's open source license.


     


    Hippy asked, Apple delivered.


     


    MAME is shit anyway, half the stuff doesn't work, I used to use it on a 486 with Win95, that's how old that crap is.

  • Reply 36 of 43
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post


     


    I know right? Apple's totally not customer friendly. Why, did you know that they won't license iOS to clone makers? It's like they hate customers or something! And like, did you know that Apple won't allow the "Made for iPhone" logo on something with an "Android charger" (whatever the **** that means) because it would look like Apple approved of Android chargers (whatever that means)? Pssh. That's like some kind of dick move, right? I hope they become customer friendly, right? Maybe we will be able to slap a "Made for iPhone" logo on something with an Android charger (whatever that means), after all.



     


    There is nothing to stop anyone from plugging a micro USB cable into the charger that comes in the box with Apple products and charging an Android device, if you want to.


     


    You can also plug an Apple cable into an Android charger, provided it has a USB port.

  • Reply 37 of 43
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

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    Originally Posted by v5v View Post


     


    Really? It's too much trouble to turn a connector right side up? 



     


    Yep, especially in the dark, thanks to Apple innovation I don't have to bother any more.

  • Reply 38 of 43


    Originally Posted by v5v View Post

    Really? It's too much trouble to turn a connector right side up?


     


    Your problem is in not asking the right questions. You don't seem to ask the questions that Apple asks.


     


    In my life I've found a single word that effects change above all others. You can apply it to industry-transforming standards or in the grocery store. To country-polarizing politics or to someone that thinks they love you, but doesn't. 


     


    "Why?"


     


    It's too much trouble to turn a connector right-side up? Why should I have to? Explain. If you can't, then we make my change.

  • Reply 39 of 43
    hill60hill60 Posts: 6,992member

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gatorguy View Post


     ...if they were going to be at odds with the organizations goals by encouraging incompatible forks of the OS. I've no doubt at all that you can clearly see the difference.


     



     


    If the fork was "incompatible" why was Google's main concern piracy of their core Apps?


     


    Keep drinking that Google Koolaid son, drink deep, it's good for you.

  • Reply 40 of 43
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,625member


    I dunno Hill. Was that "Google's main concern"?

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