Amazon's Kindle Fire gains marketshare at expense of iPad over holidays, research shows

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  • Reply 21 of 81
    rogifanrogifan Posts: 10,669member
    The only data that matters is sales data so let's see your numbers Amazon, Samsung.
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  • Reply 22 of 81
    nhtnht Posts: 4,522member

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    Originally Posted by drblank View Post


    That's funny, Apple hasn't released any final numbers, so where are they getting info from?  Amazon?  That's only what sold through Amazon.




    Until Apple and the others release valid REAL AUTHENTIC numbers, then these numbers are meaningless.



     


    The numbers are fine and frankly to be expected.  This is ad impressions, not device sales.


     


    The 86% share prior to the holidays was likely inflated by the iPad Mini launch which then leveled out because it was supply constrained.  78.9% represents the BlackFriday-XMas bump for the Fire HD which I saw quite a few of.  As the Mini supply catch up to sales the share will even out again...as they say, slightly above 80ish percent.


     


    The Fire HD is a nice device.  I'd have gotten a Nexus instead if I really didn't want to buy an iPad.

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  • Reply 23 of 81


    Why posting a title that makes people think that Apple is selling LESS than it was, when they can barely meet demand?


     


    I know it should be hilarious, but this is sad.

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  • Reply 24 of 81
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    ifij775 wrote: »
    I think it's official, the Surface is a flop.

    Flops make a noise, this was a pretty silent failure. As a kid throwing spinning stones in ponds we called it a 'dead man's dive'. No splash, no sound ... Straight down.
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  • Reply 25 of 81
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member

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    Originally Posted by rcfa View Post





    For one, nobody cares about devices, people care about the software. iOS *IS* better, because it's not a scaled up smart phone OS on the iPads, but has tablet specific features. This was shown quite well by Apple during the introduction of the iPad mini, when they showed how various apps and web sites display and operate on the iPad vs. some Android tablet.

    For two, even if Amazon has books down better than Apple (which I would dispute, since newer Kindles won't even be able to use epub documents, because Amazon tries to lock people into their proprietary format), there's a Kindle app for the iPad. So on the iPad you have the best of all worlds, you can choose between iBooks or the Kindle app, or use both; just as it's trivial to download music from Amazon and add it to your iTunes library.

    Amazon doesn't ever release any numbers at all, Apple only release the numbers they want to, e.g. not necessarily breaking down numbers by model, etc.


    I think you're going a bit far with the "nobody cares about devices" comment. Yes the software is the most important thing, but battery life, weight, size, Retina display are things people care about too. You're right about the Kindle App. You're also locked in with iBooks though because even though it's an epub it's an encrypted epub.

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  • Reply 26 of 81
    charlitunacharlituna Posts: 7,217member
    So is it lower because iPad sales are down or because everyone else is up and thus the total market that this is a percent of is up.

    And this is compared to what? Last year, six months ago or numbers on Dec 1 v dec 27th.

    Not to mention there could be devices that don't have any apps or visited sites that use said ad network or there could be more titles for Android that do and so on.
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  • Reply 27 of 81

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    Originally Posted by charlituna View Post



    So is it lower because iPad sales are down or because everyone else is up and thus the total market that this is a percent of is up.

    And this is compared to what? Last year, six months ago or numbers on Dec 1 v dec 27th.

    Not to mention there could be devices that don't have any apps or visited sites that use said ad network or there could be more titles for Android that do and so on.


    Last month microsoft sold 1 surface.


     


    This time they sold 3. That's a 300% increase right there, in 1-month span, while Apple is sleeping and losing it's shine and market share.


    I wonder how Apple fanboys will deal with this one.

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  • Reply 28 of 81
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    Data to exploit the ignorant. Especially when ad impression have sip to do with market share. Especially when you consider that iOS users go out of their way to avoid ad supported software.
    sector7g wrote: »
    i dont know why news like this is posted, im sure this goes up and down depending on who was using what on the days the sample was taken
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  • Reply 29 of 81
    tallest skiltallest skil Posts: 43,388member


    Originally Posted by wizard69 View Post

    Data to exploit the ignorant. Especially when ad impression have sip to do with market share. Especially when you consider that iOS users go out of their way to avoid ad supported software.


     


    "We Android users get to have AdBlock, so we don't even see these ads. We have MUCH more useshare than this."

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  • Reply 30 of 81

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    Originally Posted by Adrayven View Post



    I see these, and then the next day, someone posts a completely opposite statistic says something else entirely. To me they all seem to skew the numbers to influence public perception in hopes of pushing people down a specific direction (lemming theory)..


     


    Really? I see numerous reports like these that all have similar numbers favoring the iPad. The only one that shows anything different is that useless article from Cloud Four Blog using data from Akamai. The firm whose analytics are so lousy they can't even separate iPhones from iPads and have to guess what the data really means.


     


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    Originally Posted by MacRulez View Post




    The only stats here are from Chitika, the same company whose stats are lauded as unquestionably accurate in this forum whenever they appear to favor Apple.



     


    And you like to post that Cloud Four Blog article I mentioned right above, the only study that shows anything different from the numerous studies that show iOS/iPads dominating internet traffic. As I told you in the last thread (that you left and never bothered responding), how come you link a single study and claim it as valid when it goes against Apple but condemn a single report that favors Apple? Hypocrite much?


     


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    Originally Posted by KDarling View Post







    Basically it's a report intended to woo potential iPad advertisers to use their ad network.


     


    Possibly. What do you say about App developers who track internet usage directly from the devices in question? What about IBM who discovered iPads dominated holiday online shopping purchases (among mobile devices)? What was IBM going to gain by reporting what devices were used? When one study says something you can be skeptical. When numerous studies all say the same thing it's time to take off the green blinders and realize the cold, hard truth: iOS owns the mobile internet.

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  • Reply 31 of 81


    My local bookstore discourages the Kindle because of Amazon's exclusive access to book sales on the Kindle. Why do you think they are dumping them so cheaply?

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  • Reply 32 of 81


    I'm not giving these numbers much credit either, BUT, c'mon guys...with the improvement in quality of Samsung/Nexus/Kindle tablets, I can't discredit their percentages either.  And yes, anecdotally, there seems to be a few more "other" tablets in the wild.  But just as important, what I think is missing from these percentages, are total numbers.  In my opinion, total sales of tablets are increasing.  Some increase due to new adds and some due to transition away from laptops and PCs.  So Apple's minor reduction in percentage is still a massive/healthy bottom line (in gross income). 

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  • Reply 33 of 81
    dasanman69dasanman69 Posts: 13,002member
    "We Android users get to have AdBlock, so we don't even see these ads. We have MUCH more useshare than this."

    Get it right, it's called AdFree.
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  • Reply 34 of 81
    dreyfus2dreyfus2 Posts: 1,072member


    Kindle users had the option to browse the Web, or buy content from Amazon... Of course people were surfing their behinds off on them.


     


    The numbers (increase/decrease percentages) for Galaxy, Nexus, PlayBook and Surface RT are not even exceeding the margin of error. The two days after christmas are barely representative for anything (at least not in countries with a more or less Christian majority).


     


    iPad users were busy having intercourse with people they gave iPads to. 7.14% of lucky bastards out there :-)

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  • Reply 35 of 81

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    Even for just the US and Canadian markets that's lower than I would have expected for such a low cost device that is so popular on Amazon's rankings. I expected it somewhere between 10-15% for the holiday season.


    There could have been a lot more sales of brand X products than these numbers indicate. An iPad owner is many times more likely to use their iPad to browse the internet than bottom feeders with their drool-smeared cheap tablets. image

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  • Reply 36 of 81
    sennensennen Posts: 1,472member

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    Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post





    Flops make a noise, this was a pretty silent failure. As a kid throwing spinning stones in ponds we called it a 'dead man's dive'. No splash, no sound ... Straight down.


     


    What kind of fail makes a clicking or snapping sound? (as when a keyboard clips onto the screen on a Surface)

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  • Reply 37 of 81
    tcaseytcasey Posts: 199member


    Sarc'No way ,I wanna carry a keyboard around with me and run Windows like its 1984...old skool..Windows Style'

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  • Reply 38 of 81
    Wait does anybody else notice in total the iPad lose more than gained by all other competitors.
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  • Reply 39 of 81

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    Originally Posted by danbrook View Post


    My local bookstore discourages the Kindle because of Amazon's exclusive access to book sales on the Kindle. Why do you think they are dumping them so cheaply?



    The Kindle is made and sold for one purpose only: To suck every possible dime out of your pockets and deposit all of it into their banks. 

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  • Reply 40 of 81


    Originally Posted by Curtis Hannah View Post

    Wait does anybody else notice in total the iPad lose more than gained by all other competitors.


     


    There is an unaccounted for "Other" category that is even less meaningful than 0.4%.


     


    Note just how absolutely laughable all the percentages are other than the iPad's. The Surface (and its four tenths of ONE percent) is only included at all because it's from a "big brand name".

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