That doesn't seem right. Perhaps they will open new investigation into specific areas after this broad settlement. If the allegations have been acknowledged, it sounds like there will be follow up by the sites affected. I guess we will know in a few months after the businesses have time to rationalize.
Did you read the actual settlement doc? I linked it in one of the first posts in this thread. It includes the FTC's findings and reasoning on competitors complaints. You should read it if you haven't.
Did you read the actual settlement doc? I linked it in one of the first posts in this thread. It includes the FTC's findings and reasoning on competitors complaints. You should read it if you haven't.
You'll have to take that up with patsu, who claims that paying a settlement equates to guilt. I suppose the same goes for accusations of willful patent infringement as well, but we'll have to wait for the learned patsu's determination on that.
The federal court just exonerated Google, but if you feel there are other charges they've overlooked you cam submit your complaint and supporting evidence here:
They haven't been exonerated. On the other hand, they have been caught promoting illegal drug sales, stealing copyrighted materials, violating privacy on numerous occasions, lying to investigators, and so on and so on. None of these are technicalities. These were deliberate criminal acts.
I welcome our Google overlords, the rest of you might want to stay quiet or your opinions might be automatically connected to your gmail, Google+ involuntarily accounts. Welcome Google masters, we love you /s
That's just for the FRAND licensing stuff. I didn't see any details on Google's settlement regarding vertical search sites for example.
Patsu, you're absolutely correct. I thought the FTC statement on search policy I had read was part of the package; I was plainly incorrect. Thanks for pointing it out sir!
There will not be a separate consent agreement for Google's ad and search practice changes as there is for SEP enforcement. IMO it looks as tho the government is recognizing the complaints from Google competitors, primarily Microsoft and their "trade groups", as a ploy to earn more money via government interference with the more successful search provider. The FTC statement explaining Google's changes to it's search practice's (published in a Dec. 27th letter ) and why the FTC saw no need for further investigation or a consent order is here:
There would appear to be evidence too that other agencies have also chosen to close their investigations into Google search practices, altho I'd expect separate statements at some point, particularly from the EU if that's the case.
"...the FTC concluded that the introduction of Universal Search, as well as additional changes made to Google’s search algorithms – even those that may have had the effect of harming individual competitors – could be plausibly justified as innovations that improved Google’s product and the experience of its users. It therefore has chosen to close the investigation.
The Commission would like to acknowledge the close cooperation in this matter with the European Commission’s Directorate-General for Competition, and with the state Attorneys General of Texas, New York, Ohio, California, and Oklahoma."
Excellent work, Detective Anonymous! You've uncovered a vast criminal network not even the feds could dig up.
Unfortunately, because of its wealth and influence, a serial offender like Google is let off, again and again, with what amounts to less than a slap on the wrist. Google simply buys its way out of trouble once again.
You can pretend they are just like any other company out there, but they aren't. Google has demonstrated over and over again that they have zero respect for the law and zero respect for people. They've broken the law more times in the last 5 years than anyone can even keep track of. Google is a criminal organization run by sociopaths, and, as an organization, behaves like one too.
You can be as snide as you like, but that doesn't change the fact that you are shilling for liars and crooks.
... This is a crushing blow to Microsoft, which has spent millions of dollars on lobbyists and phony grassroots groups over the past several years hoping to land Google in hot water. ...
Excellent work, Detective Anonymous! You've uncovered a vast criminal network not even the feds could dig up. Well done! They'll be so grateful when you send them your mountains of proof. Why, you'll make even Apple look like a relative weakling, able to outsmart not only their legal resources, but also those of Microsoft, Oracle, and everyone else who's tried to bring Google down but failed.
Here is it again just to make sure you don't miss this opportunity to prove the entire world wrong:
We're so looking forward to hearing how this works out for you.
I thought his original RICO comment was worth quoting but your response to it was even better. They should have a sub portion of this site devoted to the fanatic followers. This guys need to be immortalized and turned into a character for the next Jay & Silent Bob installment. Pure comedy gold.
Btw, for what it's worth, I think Google got away a bit on the light side but they worked the system that is in place and there is nothing wrong with that. If you disagree, then you would also have to disagree with how Apple works the tax system with their Double Irish Dutch Sandwich strategies (which Google also now uses). The system appears to be broken from a pure justice point of view (right vs wrong) but it is working fine based off the rules we have defined and voted in. By the way, this didn't happen overnight and it was not setup by anyone person or party.
Let's see: price fixing, privacy concerns, class action suits over poor quality, back-dating financials, and the other items I've already listed for you show clearly that the difference between one company and another is merely the logo. ...
Sorry, but most of the things you cite "against" Apple are either technical violations, non-issues, or simply false allegations, but all civil issues. To equate them with, for example, knowingly promoting illegal drug sales, or intentionally stealing thousands and thousands of books or duplicitously engaging in browser hacks, contrary to a consent decree, to violate privacy, or willfully lying to investigators about other privacy violations, all of which are criminal actions, speaks volumes to the dishonesty you are desperate to resort to to prop up the image of a criminal organization.
We have to ask why you, GG, and the rest of you who come here spewing these falsehoods, for your various reasons, find it so necessary to bend, twist and assasinate the truth to "make your points". Clearly the truth is not on your side, but for those of you who aren't getting paid to do it, what perversion of character motivates you?
There's an oddity in the system here in which this line is excluded from posts:
"Is this the point in the post where the kids add a slash-s to let the other kids who have no sense of humor know that I'm not serious?"
Curiously, the system does not note that the post has been edited, so this is merely a test of the parser to try to discern how it's working.
Huh. It doesn't show as edited for you? That's bothersome; it shows for me. It should really be showing up for everyone.
I just don't feel there's any reason to be calling others here "kids". You know that, I know that. You could have written it differently. I think that falls under generic rule 1, but that's me. Feel free to express distaste at others' use of sarcasm entirely, of course, just don't insult them when doing it.
Maybe it's not showing the edit times because the edits were done too close to the posting time. I've noticed that in both Huddler and vBulletin if a post is edited quickly enough, it doesn't append an "edited by/on" tag.
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I don't think Administrator edits are tagged as such. Yes your comment was originally there as I recall.
Oh, that's bull! Every edit needs to appear for everyone! Maybe I can turn that on; maybe not. I'll have to dig a little.
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Originally Posted by patsu
That doesn't seem right. Perhaps they will open new investigation into specific areas after this broad settlement. If the allegations have been acknowledged, it sounds like there will be follow up by the sites affected. I guess we will know in a few months after the businesses have time to rationalize.
Did you read the actual settlement doc? I linked it in one of the first posts in this thread. It includes the FTC's findings and reasoning on competitors complaints. You should read it if you haven't.
EDIT: Linked here again for those that missed it.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/1210120/130103googlemotorolado.pdf
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Did you read the actual settlement doc? I linked it in one of the first posts in this thread. It includes the FTC's findings and reasoning on competitors complaints. You should read it if you haven't.
EDIT: Linked here again for those that missed it.
https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/1210120/130103googlemotorolado.pdf
None of that means companies like Yelp can't bring civil actions against them.
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
You'll have to take that up with patsu, who claims that paying a settlement equates to guilt. I suppose the same goes for accusations of willful patent infringement as well, but we'll have to wait for the learned patsu's determination on that.
The federal court just exonerated Google, but if you feel there are other charges they've overlooked you cam submit your complaint and supporting evidence here:
http://www.justice.gov/contact-us.html
Let us know how that works out for you.
They haven't been exonerated. On the other hand, they have been caught promoting illegal drug sales, stealing copyrighted materials, violating privacy on numerous occasions, lying to investigators, and so on and so on. None of these are technicalities. These were deliberate criminal acts.
Originally Posted by MacRulez
[Bunch-a-linkz]
WOW that entire list always post anti-Apple click bait.
Call me impressed by your list /s
Welcome Google masters, we love you /s
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Originally Posted by patsu
That's just for the FRAND licensing stuff. I didn't see any details on Google's settlement regarding vertical search sites for example.
Patsu, you're absolutely correct. I thought the FTC statement on search policy I had read was part of the package; I was plainly incorrect. Thanks for pointing it out sir!
There will not be a separate consent agreement for Google's ad and search practice changes as there is for SEP enforcement. IMO it looks as tho the government is recognizing the complaints from Google competitors, primarily Microsoft and their "trade groups", as a ploy to earn more money via government interference with the more successful search provider. The FTC statement explaining Google's changes to it's search practice's (published in a Dec. 27th letter ) and why the FTC saw no need for further investigation or a consent order is here:
http://ftc.gov/opa/2013/01/google.shtm
There would appear to be evidence too that other agencies have also chosen to close their investigations into Google search practices, altho I'd expect separate statements at some point, particularly from the EU if that's the case.
"...the FTC concluded that the introduction of Universal Search, as well as additional changes made to Google’s search algorithms – even those that may have had the effect of harming individual competitors – could be plausibly justified as innovations that improved Google’s product and the experience of its users. It therefore has chosen to close the investigation.
The Commission would like to acknowledge the close cooperation in this matter with the European Commission’s Directorate-General for Competition, and with the state Attorneys General of Texas, New York, Ohio, California, and Oklahoma."
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
Excellent work, Detective Anonymous! You've uncovered a vast criminal network not even the feds could dig up.
Unfortunately, because of its wealth and influence, a serial offender like Google is let off, again and again, with what amounts to less than a slap on the wrist. Google simply buys its way out of trouble once again.
You can pretend they are just like any other company out there, but they aren't. Google has demonstrated over and over again that they have zero respect for the law and zero respect for people. They've broken the law more times in the last 5 years than anyone can even keep track of. Google is a criminal organization run by sociopaths, and, as an organization, behaves like one too.
You can be as snide as you like, but that doesn't change the fact that you are shilling for liars and crooks.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
... This is a crushing blow to Microsoft, which has spent millions of dollars on lobbyists and phony grassroots groups over the past several years hoping to land Google in hot water. ...
Pretty funny stuff, coming from you.
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
Excellent work, Detective Anonymous! You've uncovered a vast criminal network not even the feds could dig up. Well done! They'll be so grateful when you send them your mountains of proof. Why, you'll make even Apple look like a relative weakling, able to outsmart not only their legal resources, but also those of Microsoft, Oracle, and everyone else who's tried to bring Google down but failed.
Here is it again just to make sure you don't miss this opportunity to prove the entire world wrong:
http://www.justice.gov/contact-us.html
We're so looking forward to hearing how this works out for you.
I thought his original RICO comment was worth quoting but your response to it was even better. They should have a sub portion of this site devoted to the fanatic followers. This guys need to be immortalized and turned into a character for the next Jay & Silent Bob installment. Pure comedy gold.
Btw, for what it's worth, I think Google got away a bit on the light side but they worked the system that is in place and there is nothing wrong with that. If you disagree, then you would also have to disagree with how Apple works the tax system with their Double Irish Dutch Sandwich strategies (which Google also now uses). The system appears to be broken from a pure justice point of view (right vs wrong) but it is working fine based off the rules we have defined and voted in. By the way, this didn't happen overnight and it was not setup by anyone person or party.
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Originally Posted by MacRulez
Let's see: price fixing, privacy concerns, class action suits over poor quality, back-dating financials, and the other items I've already listed for you show clearly that the difference between one company and another is merely the logo. ...
Sorry, but most of the things you cite "against" Apple are either technical violations, non-issues, or simply false allegations, but all civil issues. To equate them with, for example, knowingly promoting illegal drug sales, or intentionally stealing thousands and thousands of books or duplicitously engaging in browser hacks, contrary to a consent decree, to violate privacy, or willfully lying to investigators about other privacy violations, all of which are criminal actions, speaks volumes to the dishonesty you are desperate to resort to to prop up the image of a criminal organization.
We have to ask why you, GG, and the rest of you who come here spewing these falsehoods, for your various reasons, find it so necessary to bend, twist and assasinate the truth to "make your points". Clearly the truth is not on your side, but for those of you who aren't getting paid to do it, what perversion of character motivates you?
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I don't think Administrator edits are tagged as such. Yes your comment was originally there as I recall.
Originally Posted by MacRulez
There's an oddity in the system here in which this line is excluded from posts:
"Is this the point in the post where the kids add a slash-s to let the other kids who have no sense of humor know that I'm not serious?"
Curiously, the system does not note that the post has been edited, so this is merely a test of the parser to try to discern how it's working.
Huh. It doesn't show as edited for you? That's bothersome; it shows for me. It should really be showing up for everyone.
I just don't feel there's any reason to be calling others here "kids". You know that, I know that. You could have written it differently. I think that falls under generic rule 1, but that's me. Feel free to express distaste at others' use of sarcasm entirely, of course, just don't insult them when doing it.
Maybe it's not showing the edit times because the edits were done too close to the posting time. I've noticed that in both Huddler and vBulletin if a post is edited quickly enough, it doesn't append an "edited by/on" tag.
Originally Posted by Gatorguy
I don't think Administrator edits are tagged as such. Yes your comment was originally there as I recall.
Oh, that's bull! Every edit needs to appear for everyone! Maybe I can turn that on; maybe not. I'll have to dig a little.