Your lack of logic escapes me. It smacks of the Emperors new clothes. 'There is no problem unless you can explain why it exists.' Try again. You explain why 4 different OS's were able to connect without issue, while two versions of OSX couldn't.
You fail to list of circumstances, no systematic troubleshooting techniques used. No details whatsoever but you want your claims to be taken seriously that OS X can't connect to free WiFi networks. I connect to them all the time. Before you claim that all of OS X is the issue when suggesting they remove people from one department to work on something else perhaps you should verify exactly what the problem is and where it resides. The answer may surprise you.
Hey your back. We missed your aspersion type and tender of precocious nature. LOL.
Well, if you can offer a better explanation for why the price of Internet access hasn't changed in the past decade… Oh, and why somehow certain companies only serve certain parts of a city or town while others take the other half…
OSX is a bit of failure as far as connecting to free WiFi networks goes.
This has to be trolling.
Not entirely. N-Enabled access points not made by Cisco and a few of the other major vendors have plenty of problems with Macs... as well as current iPhones and iPads.
Not entirely. N-Enabled access points not made by Cisco and a few of the other major vendors have plenty of problems with Macs... as well as current iPhones and iPads.
That doesn't mean it's an OS X issue. And least you elude to connection issues with certainly wireless vendor's access points. cnocbui statement is that it's an OS X issue with "free" WiFi.
You fail to list of circumstances, no systematic troubleshooting techniques used. No details whatsoever but you want your claims to be taken seriously that OS X can't connect to free WiFi networks. I connect to them all the time. Before you claim that all of OS X is the issue when suggesting they remove people from one department to work on something else perhaps you should verify exactly what the problem is and where it resides. The answer may surprise you.
You turn on the WiFi and are presented with a list of access points, all but the free public one being locked. Select the Free one and you get the WiFi symbol in the menu bar in grey with an exclamation mark on it and text saying something to the effect that there is no ISP.
When you launch Firefox or Safari and try and load a page, you just get an error to the effect you don't have a connection.
On all the other OS's, you launch the browser, or load a page and you get a redirect to the free WiFi web page where you accept their terms etc by clicking a button, after which you then have access.
I tried the connection doctor process but it just said it couldn't diagnose the problem.
"It just works" Well not for me, unless you are talking about my phone, Linux, Windows and even a Samsung 'feature' phone.
I tried manually entering the address for the access page, as displayed on my phone, and managed to get the page to load, but clicking the accept button on the page just got me the message that I didn't have a connection.
You turn on the WiFi and are presented with a list of access points, all but the free public one being locked. Select the Free one and you get the WiFi symbol in the menu bar in grey with an exclamation mark on it and text saying something to the effect that there is no ISP.
When you launch Firefox or Safari and try and load a page, you just get an error to the effect you don't have a connection.
On all the other OS's, you launch the browser, or load a page and you get a redirect to the free WiFi web page where you accept their terms etc by clicking a button, after which you then have access.
I tried the connection doctor process but it just said it couldn't diagnose the problem.
"It just works" Well not for me, unless you are talking about my phone, Linux, Windows and even a Samsung 'feature' phone.
I tried manually entering the address for the access page, as displayed on my phone, and managed to get the page to load, but clicking the accept button on the page just got me the message that I didn't have a connection.
That is certainly a better response than before but you still can't draw a conclusion as to where the issues resides based on that data.
Just because you, or in this case the original poster, can't define the problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I have had in fact very similar issues with my old 2008 MBP on certain WiFi access points that wasn't corrected until after Apples latest OS update. Well that and some hand editing of files to clear out stuff that had gotten corrupted. The fact that you personally may not have experienced these issues doesn't make the issues an figment of somebody else's imagination. The fact of the matter is that WiFi in OS/X has been iffy for a couple of OS revisions now.
Just because you, or in this case the original poster, can't define the problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I have had in fact very similar issues with my old 2008 MBP on certain WiFi access points that wasn't corrected until after Apples latest OS update. Well that and some hand editing of files to clear out stuff that had gotten corrupted. The fact that you personally may not have experienced these issues doesn't make the issues an figment of somebody else's imagination. The fact of the matter is that WiFi in OS/X has been iffy for a couple of OS revisions now.
It's fine that the OP wasn't able to determine the source of the issue but it's not fine that they made claims as fact that they couldn't back up.
Sure he can. If other devices connect fine, even other OS'es running on the same hardware it is pretty hard to blame anything other than OS/X. At one library i make use of the front desk even became well versed at explaining how to reset the Macs WiFi subsystem to get around the problem.
You seem to be hell bent on defending Mac OS/X's WiFi support without knowing or wanting to know the background information that is out there to take an informed position. Further you can't really expect non technical people to give a detailed explanation of the problem when they might not even know what it is.
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That is certainly a better response than before but you still can't draw a conclusion as to where the issues resides based on that data.
Sure he can. If other devices connect fine, even other OS'es running on the same hardware it is pretty hard to blame anything other than OS/X. At one library i make use of the front desk even became well versed at explaining how to reset the Macs WiFi subsystem to get around the problem.
You seem to be hell bent on defending Mac OS/X's WiFi support without knowing or wanting to know the background information that is out there to take an informed position. Further you can't really expect non technical people to give a detailed explanation of the problem when they might not even know what it is.
No, that is a non sequitur fallacy. This is basic troubleshooting and it has no barring on whether it was OS X, iOS, Android, Windows or any other OS or other troubleshooting issue. All you can say is that you are unable to connect x to y, but you can't claim that it's x's fault because you were successful connecting z to y.
I never once said that it couldn't be an issue with OS X, but based on the data available there is no way to draw that conclusion. All he can say is that he was able to get OS X to connect to a router and hypothesize that the issue resides in OS X. Until you eliminate all other possibilities for a lack of connection you can't claim as a reasonable statement that the issue is with a particular OS.
You turn on the WiFi and are presented with a list of access points, all but the free public one being locked. Select the Free one and you get the WiFi symbol in the menu bar in grey with an exclamation mark on it and text saying something to the effect that there is no ISP.
When you launch Firefox or Safari and try and load a page, you just get an error to the effect you don't have a connection.
On all the other OS's, you launch the browser, or load a page and you get a redirect to the free WiFi web page where you accept their terms etc by clicking a button, after which you then have access.
I tried the connection doctor process but it just said it couldn't diagnose the problem.
"It just works" Well not for me, unless you are talking about my phone, Linux, Windows and even a Samsung 'feature' phone.
I tried manually entering the address for the access page, as displayed on my phone, and managed to get the page to load, but clicking the accept button on the page just got me the message that I didn't have a connection.
Did you have pop-up windows blocked? This is why you couldn't connect to the window that was supposed to pop up. I would have asked someone before assuming it was Apples fault.This will cause the problem you described.
My friend came to my home recently, with his Windows PC. Tried to connect to my home WiFi. Nada. Turns out it was a Windows problem. He had to download a patch to be compatible with the 802.11an wireless frequency.
Questions. How old were the Macs? How up to date was your OS? If you were missing something, say an update, it's hardly the problem of the OS is it? If your scenario applies to my friend, then its Microsofts problem that his outdated OS couldn't work with my 21st century WiFi. A bad worker always blames his tools.
Oh boy as said Ac is wanted for a job, of course all this says is that there is over a 80% chance it on device by 10 years from now but hooefully it means it availible by 2014, Hopefully as wanted on all wifi devices by the first of 2016.(apple)
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
If the telecoms have their way?
Millennia.
Hey your back. We missed your aspersion type and tender of precocious nature. LOL.
You fail to list of circumstances, no systematic troubleshooting techniques used. No details whatsoever but you want your claims to be taken seriously that OS X can't connect to free WiFi networks. I connect to them all the time. Before you claim that all of OS X is the issue when suggesting they remove people from one department to work on something else perhaps you should verify exactly what the problem is and where it resides. The answer may surprise you.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Not a chance. But welcome!
Thanks!
Originally Posted by tylerk36
Hey your back. We missed your aspersion type and tender of precocious nature. LOL.
Well, if you can offer a better explanation for why the price of Internet access hasn't changed in the past decade… Oh, and why somehow certain companies only serve certain parts of a city or town while others take the other half…
That doesn't mean it's an OS X issue. And least you elude to connection issues with certainly wireless vendor's access points. cnocbui statement is that it's an OS X issue with "free" WiFi.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
You fail to list of circumstances, no systematic troubleshooting techniques used. No details whatsoever but you want your claims to be taken seriously that OS X can't connect to free WiFi networks. I connect to them all the time. Before you claim that all of OS X is the issue when suggesting they remove people from one department to work on something else perhaps you should verify exactly what the problem is and where it resides. The answer may surprise you.
You turn on the WiFi and are presented with a list of access points, all but the free public one being locked. Select the Free one and you get the WiFi symbol in the menu bar in grey with an exclamation mark on it and text saying something to the effect that there is no ISP.
When you launch Firefox or Safari and try and load a page, you just get an error to the effect you don't have a connection.
On all the other OS's, you launch the browser, or load a page and you get a redirect to the free WiFi web page where you accept their terms etc by clicking a button, after which you then have access.
I tried the connection doctor process but it just said it couldn't diagnose the problem.
"It just works" Well not for me, unless you are talking about my phone, Linux, Windows and even a Samsung 'feature' phone.
I tried manually entering the address for the access page, as displayed on my phone, and managed to get the page to load, but clicking the accept button on the page just got me the message that I didn't have a connection.
That is certainly a better response than before but you still can't draw a conclusion as to where the issues resides based on that data.
Just because you, or in this case the original poster, can't define the problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I have had in fact very similar issues with my old 2008 MBP on certain WiFi access points that wasn't corrected until after Apples latest OS update. Well that and some hand editing of files to clear out stuff that had gotten corrupted. The fact that you personally may not have experienced these issues doesn't make the issues an figment of somebody else's imagination. The fact of the matter is that WiFi in OS/X has been iffy for a couple of OS revisions now.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Then don't claim there are any problems!
???????????
It's fine that the OP wasn't able to determine the source of the issue but it's not fine that they made claims as fact that they couldn't back up.
Sure he can. If other devices connect fine, even other OS'es running on the same hardware it is pretty hard to blame anything other than OS/X. At one library i make use of the front desk even became well versed at explaining how to reset the Macs WiFi subsystem to get around the problem.
You seem to be hell bent on defending Mac OS/X's WiFi support without knowing or wanting to know the background information that is out there to take an informed position. Further you can't really expect non technical people to give a detailed explanation of the problem when they might not even know what it is.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
That is certainly a better response than before but you still can't draw a conclusion as to where the issues resides based on that data.
No, that is a non sequitur fallacy. This is basic troubleshooting and it has no barring on whether it was OS X, iOS, Android, Windows or any other OS or other troubleshooting issue. All you can say is that you are unable to connect x to y, but you can't claim that it's x's fault because you were successful connecting z to y.
I never once said that it couldn't be an issue with OS X, but based on the data available there is no way to draw that conclusion. All he can say is that he was able to get OS X to connect to a router and hypothesize that the issue resides in OS X. Until you eliminate all other possibilities for a lack of connection you can't claim as a reasonable statement that the issue is with a particular OS.
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Originally Posted by cnocbui
You turn on the WiFi and are presented with a list of access points, all but the free public one being locked. Select the Free one and you get the WiFi symbol in the menu bar in grey with an exclamation mark on it and text saying something to the effect that there is no ISP.
When you launch Firefox or Safari and try and load a page, you just get an error to the effect you don't have a connection.
On all the other OS's, you launch the browser, or load a page and you get a redirect to the free WiFi web page where you accept their terms etc by clicking a button, after which you then have access.
I tried the connection doctor process but it just said it couldn't diagnose the problem.
"It just works" Well not for me, unless you are talking about my phone, Linux, Windows and even a Samsung 'feature' phone.
I tried manually entering the address for the access page, as displayed on my phone, and managed to get the page to load, but clicking the accept button on the page just got me the message that I didn't have a connection.
Did you have pop-up windows blocked? This is why you couldn't connect to the window that was supposed to pop up. I would have asked someone before assuming it was Apples fault.This will cause the problem you described.
My friend came to my home recently, with his Windows PC. Tried to connect to my home WiFi. Nada. Turns out it was a Windows problem. He had to download a patch to be compatible with the 802.11an wireless frequency.
Questions. How old were the Macs? How up to date was your OS? If you were missing something, say an update, it's hardly the problem of the OS is it? If your scenario applies to my friend, then its Microsofts problem that his outdated OS couldn't work with my 21st century WiFi. A bad worker always blames his tools.
I can't believe this thread is drifting so bad.
This is an astounding rumor. A new wireless standard is in existence, and Apple will at some point adopt it!