Hope Apple bring back the big boy MBP 17" for audio visual pros. Interesting how since they stopped servicing the high end in favor of students and no doubt at the behest of Cook and his bean counting mediocrity, Apple showed the first decline in profits in 10 years, stock price down 50%, and losing market share in a major way to Samsung and Android. Maybe just one big coincidence.
Anybody know when are the new MBPs coming out? I went into an Apple store today and they were all out of the 15" non-Retnia displays with the anti-glare screen and the salesperson told me that if I wanted one, I'd have to order it through Apple from now on.
Hope Apple bring back the big boy MBP 17" for audio visual pros. Interesting how since they stopped servicing the high end in favor of students and no doubt at the behest of Cook and his bean counting mediocrity, Apple showed the first decline in profits in 10 years, stock price down 50%, and losing market share in a major way to Samsung and Android. Maybe just one big coincidence.
Tim Cook is very monotone and doesn't deal with the reality distortion field. Phil Schiller is more to the point when he delivers his part of the keynote because he gets right to the core with the tech specs.
Anybody know when are the new MBPs coming out? I went into an Apple store today and they were all out of the 15" non-Retnia displays with the anti-glare screen and the salesperson told me that if I wanted one, I'd have to order it through Apple from now on.
It is about time Apple starts building their machines in the states.Not dam China!
I am not a fan of the working conditions with Foxconn but here's the problem. Apple can make the aluminum chassis in the United States but what about the display, CPU, GPU, memory, etc.
If you want a truly American made machine, then everything should be made there, no?
Computers are one of those things where it is what it is in terms of not being made in America. Thankfully you can find tools, clothes, etc. still made here in the USA.
Moving on... I'm kind of happy they aren't getting rid of the classic unibody MacBook Pro yet, I still like it and think the retina has a bit of a ways to go.
I heard the Apple will be making perhaps the mac mini in the states and all the parts will come from there also. Hopefully no more getting parts from China! I really hope Apple follows through with this and more employment will happen also.
I am not a fan of the working conditions with Foxconn but here's the problem.
Constantly repeating something does make it true. Beyond that what makes you think that American viewpoints and policies are the correct one. For example what is with the idea that one has to be 18 to work in a factory?
I only ask that one because I was 17 when I graduated from high school.
Apple can make the aluminum chassis in the United States but what about the display, CPU, GPU, memory, etc.
So where does the Aluminum ore come from? You can take this to great lengths for no reason.
If you want a truly American made machine, then everything should be made there, no?
No because that is seldom the case and is not the norm for our country.
Computers are one of those things where it is what it is in terms of not being made in America. Thankfully you can find tools, clothes, etc. still made here in the USA.
Yes but is every part of that tool produced or sourced in the USA. Maybe the steel is but what about the chrome, the forging press to shape the metal or the hundreds of other things that go into the making of a tool.
Moving on... I'm kind of happy they aren't getting rid of the classic unibody MacBook Pro yet, I still like it and think the retina has a bit of a ways to go.
I actually like the retina machine except for the lack of secondary storage.
I heard the Apple will be making perhaps the mac mini in the states and all the parts will come from there also.
Which machine gets produced here isn't certain yet, some of use are leaning Mac Pro. Tim Cook has commented publicly on this, but I highly doubt all of the parts will come from the USA. The reality is that some of this stuff simply isn't made here.
Hopefully no more getting parts from China!
They have to come from someplace.
I really hope Apple follows through with this and more employment will happen also.
Don't hold your breath about employment. The factory is likely to be highly automated. The sub contractors may simply pick up the work with existing staff. It would be nice to see an explosion in employment but nothing about this project promises that. Hopefully Apple is underplaying the extent of the project and thus the spin off in economic benefit. At this time there is a limit to what Apple can say and no give away to much info to the competition.
wizard69 - What I basically mean is that what Apple is doing is a step in the right direction.
Computers are one of those things like cars where not everything can come from one single place nor should they have to. Simpler things however such as clothes and tools are different though.
This year should be good as the cards will be a bit faster than the 650M and then Maxwell will be a huge improvement from there. After that, it's all smooth sailing.
wizard69 - What I basically mean is that what Apple is doing is a step in the right direction.
Only time will tell. I can tell you right now getting qualified people, willing to work, is not an easy task in the USA right now. The welfare state has destroyed the work ethic of a good portion of our population. If Apple really wants this program to be successful they should be demanding a massive cut in welfare benefits. It is interesting that many of the states Cook mention are not part of the leftist east. Maybe Cooks politics aren't as dangerous as some suspect.
Computers are one of those things like cars where not everything can come from one single place nor should they have to. Simpler things however such as clothes and tools are different though.
What people forget is that there are many other economies on this planet beyond the borders of the USA. They have a right to take part in the worlds economy. Demanding made in the USA products is often short sighted. Manufacturing is certainly important but so is being a good neighbor.
This year should be good as the cards will be a bit faster than the 650M and then Maxwell will be a huge improvement from there. After that, it's all smooth sailing.
I don't buy this idea of clean sailing because it implies that computers are fast enough that one more rev is all we need. In my mind that is garbage, we have a very long way to go. Ultimately the Mac OS needs to evolve to the point where a user interacts with an AI at the highest level. We aren't even close yet.
Oh no! Not at all fast enough! No, no, no, and hell no!
I mean with Maxwell that the retina MacBook Pro will hit its stride and only get better.
When the back to the Mac event was held in 2010, I felt that's when the MacBook Air hit its stride and from there it has only gotten better.
Once the MacBook Pro went to the aluminum unibody construction in 2008, that was it!
As for made in the USA products, first off I am aware there are sweatshops in the US. Having said that, look at the three incidents involving clothing factories in the Middle East.
1. April 2013 (or so), factory in Bangladesh collapses and at least 800 people (probably more) died.
2. November 2012 - Factory in Bangladesh catches fire, 200+ people perish
3. Septemeber 2012 - Factory in Pakistan catches fire, 200+ people perish
This is inexcusable and I do not want to buy clothes from a countries that hate us, that treat their workers like pieces of trash, that use child labor, and so on and so forth.
PM me wizard, because we have much to discuss.
There are places out there in America where quality products are made by workers for a fair wage and they are not overly expensive even in this economy. Do they cost more than you would pay at Wal Mart? Of course. But are they priced out of reach. No they are not.
Only time will tell. I can tell you right now getting qualified people, willing to work, is not an easy task in the USA right now. The welfare state has destroyed the work ethic of a good portion of our population. If Apple really wants this program to be successful they should be demanding a massive cut in welfare benefits. It is interesting that many of the states Cook mention are not part of the leftist east. Maybe Cooks politics aren't as dangerous as some suspect.
What people forget is that there are many other economies on this planet beyond the borders of the USA. They have a right to take part in the worlds economy. Demanding made in the USA products is often short sighted. Manufacturing is certainly important but so is being a good neighbor.
I don't buy this idea of clean sailing because it implies that computers are fast enough that one more rev is all we need. In my mind that is garbage, we have a very long way to go. Ultimately the Mac OS needs to evolve to the point where a user interacts with an AI at the highest level. We aren't even close yet.
100% right!!!!!!! The demands of future programs will increase exponentially. To exploit these new capabilities will require ever more powerful hardware. This is why I have kept harping on the high end (Mac Pro and 17" MBP) and how important it is for Apple not to exit that market. As General Patton said so eloquently in WW2: I don't want to have to capture the same ground twice. Also the high end tends to sell regardless of the macro economy, either because those buyers use it for a living, or they are rich and just want the best.
Oh no! Not at all fast enough! No, no, no, and hell no!
I mean with Maxwell that the retina MacBook Pro will hit its stride and only get better.
When the back to the Mac event was held in 2010, I felt that's when the MacBook Air hit its stride and from there it has only gotten better.
Mac Book AIR is an interesting machine if you follow its genesis and maturation into what it is today. Originally it was just another overly high priced Apple excutive toy. Apparently somebody at Apple recognized that they where onto something and did a 180 marketing wise targeting a completely different market with the machine. It has become one of Apples bigger success stories.
You may call it hitting its stride or I might call it a correction to the original phony marketing plans. Either way it shows that Apple is sometimes on top of the ball game. I'm just interested in seeing them make the same smart moves with the desktop machines.
Once the MacBook Pro went to the aluminum unibody construction in 2008, that was it!
As for made in the USA products, first off I am aware there are sweatshops in the US. Having said that, look at the three incidents involving clothing factories in the Middle East.
Some people call them sweat shops and it is a fitting term. However some industries are inherently dangerous which people in the US don't seem to understand anymore.
1. April 2013 (or so), factory in Bangladesh collapses and at least 800 people (probably more) died.
2. November 2012 - Factory in Bangladesh catches fire, 200+ people perish
3. Septemeber 2012 - Factory in Pakistan catches fire, 200+ people perish
Which has nothing to do with China. Bringing up these countries is like blaming the USA for something that happened in Canada. The problem with dealing with China, is that China is on an expansionist bing and we are basically fueling their military.
This is inexcusable and I do not want to buy clothes from a countries that hate us, that treat their workers like pieces of trash, that use child labor, and so on and so forth.
Again China is Bangladesh and this discussion isn't about clothes. Everybody, for whatever reason wants to believe that the workers in China are treated especially bad but that isn't the truth at all. Effectively worker treatment is as variable there as it is here.
PM me wizard, because we have much to discuss.
Not really.
There are places out there in America where quality products are made by workers for a fair wage and they are not overly expensive even in this economy. Do they cost more than you would pay at Wal Mart? Of course. But are they priced out of reach. No they are not.
The problem is getting people to actually pay the asking price. It is a lot harder than you might think as most Americans are hell bent on the lowest prices possible. Except of course when they feel like something trendy or brand name.
Just look at what happened to JC Penny when the marketing excutive from Apple took over. The customer base of that company had the idea of shopping for sales engrained into their mentality so deep they still can't grasp the fact that they where often paying more for sale items than they where worth. In fact Apple is rather unique in their ability to generate customers without resorting to discounting and other phony techniques to draw customers. I mean really when was the last time you saw Apple raise the list price on something just so they could sell it for 30% off the next week? In many sectors the buying public has been so conditioned that a retailer can't even compete without resorting to discounting, cheap products or imports.
It is really sad but ask your self this how many people even look at the labels? How many are even remotely aware if what is happening in these countries? How many of those that do look bring up their concerns with store management?
wizard69 - Yeah the oil industry for one thing is very dangerous and Americans don't get that.
And yes I agree about us fueling China's military though there are companies that use China for clothes, toys (that ended up having lead paint), dog food (which also ended up having lead in it.
Oh and worse, I read somewhere that some places in China were using cadmium over lead and cadmium is 5x more toxic.
I don't buy this idea of clean sailing because it implies that computers are fast enough that one more rev is all we need. In my mind that is garbage, we have a very long way to go. Ultimately the Mac OS needs to evolve to the point where a user interacts with an AI at the highest level. We aren't even close yet.
OEMs are often looking at year to year changes in supporting technology. Intel's year over year X86 changes aren't likely to change the way most people accomplish their tasks at the moment. In spite of it still being minimal, things like GPGPU represent an entirely different potential. Anything with the potential for exponential performance gains means it may change what is feasible at the personal electronics level. When it's just 10 or 15% in a given annual cycle, interest shifts to other areas of improvement. That may offer some help in certain areas, but for the most part if one machine is inadequate to run a set of tasks, adding 10-15% on paper isn't going to suddenly make it tolerable. X86 hardware has just been a little slow on gains lately.
I don't know I've never had this many duplicates on AI site. Not from my postings anyways. The site was real sluggish at the time.
I have seen triple posts from you. Give the site a second to load!
Anyway, not sure if I mentioned this already but here's hoping LG fixed their display issues this time around. That would suck if the Rev. B rMBP had the same ghosting issues as Rev. A
I have seen triple posts from you. Give the site a second to load!
Anyway, not sure if I mentioned this already but here's hoping LG fixed their display issues this time around. That would suck if the Rev. B rMBP had the same ghosting issues as Rev. A
We could see entirely new display technology this time around. That is if Sharps IGZO tech is truly ready to go. Of course new technology means new characteristics. We are a long way from perfection in LCD displays.
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Hope Apple bring back the big boy MBP 17" for audio visual pros. Interesting how since they stopped servicing the high end in favor of students and no doubt at the behest of Cook and his bean counting mediocrity, Apple showed the first decline in profits in 10 years, stock price down 50%, and losing market share in a major way to Samsung and Android. Maybe just one big coincidence.
Anybody know when are the new MBPs coming out? I went into an Apple store today and they were all out of the 15" non-Retnia displays with the anti-glare screen and the salesperson told me that if I wanted one, I'd have to order it through Apple from now on.
Tim Cook is very monotone and doesn't deal with the reality distortion field. Phil Schiller is more to the point when he delivers his part of the keynote because he gets right to the core with the tech specs.
Rumored for WWDC 2013.
It is about time Apple starts building their machines in the states.Not dam China!
I am not a fan of the working conditions with Foxconn but here's the problem. Apple can make the aluminum chassis in the United States but what about the display, CPU, GPU, memory, etc.
If you want a truly American made machine, then everything should be made there, no?
Computers are one of those things where it is what it is in terms of not being made in America. Thankfully you can find tools, clothes, etc. still made here in the USA.
Moving on... I'm kind of happy they aren't getting rid of the classic unibody MacBook Pro yet, I still like it and think the retina has a bit of a ways to go.
I heard the Apple will be making perhaps the mac mini in the states and all the parts will come from there also. Hopefully no more getting parts from China! I really hope Apple follows through with this and more employment will happen also.
I only ask that one because I was 17 when I graduated from high school. So where does the Aluminum ore come from? You can take this to great lengths for no reason. No because that is seldom the case and is not the norm for our country. Yes but is every part of that tool produced or sourced in the USA. Maybe the steel is but what about the chrome, the forging press to shape the metal or the hundreds of other things that go into the making of a tool.
I actually like the retina machine except for the lack of secondary storage.
Don't hold your breath about employment. The factory is likely to be highly automated. The sub contractors may simply pick up the work with existing staff. It would be nice to see an explosion in employment but nothing about this project promises that. Hopefully Apple is underplaying the extent of the project and thus the spin off in economic benefit. At this time there is a limit to what Apple can say and no give away to much info to the competition.
Computers are one of those things like cars where not everything can come from one single place nor should they have to. Simpler things however such as clothes and tools are different though.
This year should be good as the cards will be a bit faster than the 650M and then Maxwell will be a huge improvement from there. After that, it's all smooth sailing.
I mean with Maxwell that the retina MacBook Pro will hit its stride and only get better.
When the back to the Mac event was held in 2010, I felt that's when the MacBook Air hit its stride and from there it has only gotten better.
Once the MacBook Pro went to the aluminum unibody construction in 2008, that was it!
As for made in the USA products, first off I am aware there are sweatshops in the US. Having said that, look at the three incidents involving clothing factories in the Middle East.
1. April 2013 (or so), factory in Bangladesh collapses and at least 800 people (probably more) died.
2. November 2012 - Factory in Bangladesh catches fire, 200+ people perish
3. Septemeber 2012 - Factory in Pakistan catches fire, 200+ people perish
This is inexcusable and I do not want to buy clothes from a countries that hate us, that treat their workers like pieces of trash, that use child labor, and so on and so forth.
PM me wizard, because we have much to discuss.
There are places out there in America where quality products are made by workers for a fair wage and they are not overly expensive even in this economy. Do they cost more than you would pay at Wal Mart? Of course. But are they priced out of reach. No they are not.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
Only time will tell. I can tell you right now getting qualified people, willing to work, is not an easy task in the USA right now. The welfare state has destroyed the work ethic of a good portion of our population. If Apple really wants this program to be successful they should be demanding a massive cut in welfare benefits. It is interesting that many of the states Cook mention are not part of the leftist east. Maybe Cooks politics aren't as dangerous as some suspect.
What people forget is that there are many other economies on this planet beyond the borders of the USA. They have a right to take part in the worlds economy. Demanding made in the USA products is often short sighted. Manufacturing is certainly important but so is being a good neighbor.
I don't buy this idea of clean sailing because it implies that computers are fast enough that one more rev is all we need. In my mind that is garbage, we have a very long way to go. Ultimately the Mac OS needs to evolve to the point where a user interacts with an AI at the highest level. We aren't even close yet.
100% right!!!!!!! The demands of future programs will increase exponentially. To exploit these new capabilities will require ever more powerful hardware. This is why I have kept harping on the high end (Mac Pro and 17" MBP) and how important it is for Apple not to exit that market. As General Patton said so eloquently in WW2: I don't want to have to capture the same ground twice. Also the high end tends to sell regardless of the macro economy, either because those buyers use it for a living, or they are rich and just want the best.
You may call it hitting its stride or I might call it a correction to the original phony marketing plans. Either way it shows that Apple is sometimes on top of the ball game. I'm just interested in seeing them make the same smart moves with the desktop machines. Some people call them sweat shops and it is a fitting term. However some industries are inherently dangerous which people in the US don't seem to understand anymore. Which has nothing to do with China. Bringing up these countries is like blaming the USA for something that happened in Canada. The problem with dealing with China, is that China is on an expansionist bing and we are basically fueling their military. Again China is Bangladesh and this discussion isn't about clothes. Everybody, for whatever reason wants to believe that the workers in China are treated especially bad but that isn't the truth at all. Effectively worker treatment is as variable there as it is here. Not really. The problem is getting people to actually pay the asking price. It is a lot harder than you might think as most Americans are hell bent on the lowest prices possible. Except of course when they feel like something trendy or brand name.
Just look at what happened to JC Penny when the marketing excutive from Apple took over. The customer base of that company had the idea of shopping for sales engrained into their mentality so deep they still can't grasp the fact that they where often paying more for sale items than they where worth. In fact Apple is rather unique in their ability to generate customers without resorting to discounting and other phony techniques to draw customers. I mean really when was the last time you saw Apple raise the list price on something just so they could sell it for 30% off the next week? In many sectors the buying public has been so conditioned that a retailer can't even compete without resorting to discounting, cheap products or imports.
It is really sad but ask your self this how many people even look at the labels? How many are even remotely aware if what is happening in these countries? How many of those that do look bring up their concerns with store management?
Is AI on the blink?
Originally Posted by wizard69
Another duplicate post! Is AI on the blink?
No, you're just not used to seeing them because I always deleted them almost immediately. This is how it has always been.
And yes I agree about us fueling China's military though there are companies that use China for clothes, toys (that ended up having lead paint), dog food (which also ended up having lead in it.
Oh and worse, I read somewhere that some places in China were using cadmium over lead and cadmium is 5x more toxic.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
I don't buy this idea of clean sailing because it implies that computers are fast enough that one more rev is all we need. In my mind that is garbage, we have a very long way to go. Ultimately the Mac OS needs to evolve to the point where a user interacts with an AI at the highest level. We aren't even close yet.
OEMs are often looking at year to year changes in supporting technology. Intel's year over year X86 changes aren't likely to change the way most people accomplish their tasks at the moment. In spite of it still being minimal, things like GPGPU represent an entirely different potential. Anything with the potential for exponential performance gains means it may change what is feasible at the personal electronics level. When it's just 10 or 15% in a given annual cycle, interest shifts to other areas of improvement. That may offer some help in certain areas, but for the most part if one machine is inadequate to run a set of tasks, adding 10-15% on paper isn't going to suddenly make it tolerable. X86 hardware has just been a little slow on gains lately.
I have seen triple posts from you. Give the site a second to load!
Anyway, not sure if I mentioned this already but here's hoping LG fixed their display issues this time around. That would suck if the Rev. B rMBP had the same ghosting issues as Rev. A
We could see entirely new display technology this time around. That is if Sharps IGZO tech is truly ready to go. Of course new technology means new characteristics. We are a long way from perfection in LCD displays.