Those look like different models (sizes). Are they?
If not, that looks like an easy lawsuit. I don't mean in the size portrayed on the box, but in that the box does not show the size therein. Maybe their larger model (as on the box) doesn't have a border, but this smaller one does.
Those look like different models (sizes). Are they?
If not, that looks like an easy lawsuit. I don't mean in the size portrayed on the box, but in that the box does not show the size therein. Maybe their larger model (as on the box) doesn't have a border, but this smaller one does.
The link was from Anandtech, and it takes you to an unboxing page, so I do believe that the monitor which I posted came from the box which I posted. I don't read any crazy Asian languages, so I'm not able to decipher what is written on that page.
Those look like different models (sizes). Are they?
If not, that looks like an easy lawsuit. I don't mean in the size portrayed on the box, but in that the box does not show the size therein. Maybe their larger model (as on the box) doesn't have a border, but this smaller one does.
Besides who cowers at a 23" display? It might be plausible if the screen showed his wife staring at him.
I use their E2460 now, picking it up as a replacement for one in our cutting room. Figured it was "good enough" for the use, but have been pretty impressed with it. It's a surprisingly good display considering I'd spent less than $150 on it. I'd buy AOC again and may consider the one you linked for one of the RIP-stations that could use a new monitor.
Besides who cowers at a 23" display? It might be plausible if the screen showed his wife staring at him.
Even the aspect ratio looks wrong. Except for the silvery bar the bottom nothing about the two displays look the same to me.
edit: This on-screen controls look very nice for an inexpensive display. In fact, the whole unboxing Apple][ linked to makes this looks like a high-quality product I'd expect for at least double the price.
I was one of the people that scoffed at the release of the Thunderbolt display. I can't stand glossy, and felt it was overpriced as well. After factoring in the TB hub and the nice panel, I felt it wasn't as bad after all. After spending about five months on one, I can say I actually do enjoy it and feel it was a good investment. The gloss really needs to be improved though. I used to run midnight in Xcode, and have since reverted back to default. White backgrounds don't glare as much as black / dark backgrounds. That helped with glare quite a bit. I also set up my desk facing the window so sun light won't directly hit the monitor. Again, if they can improve the glare like they did with the MBP Retina, I may buy another one and run dual Thunderbolt Displays.
One of the big changes between the previous iMac and the current one is that they went to a design without a gap between the LCD and the glass - which cuts down on reflections by about 75%. I would expect them to do the same thing with the next version of their display.
Even the aspect ratio looks wrong. Except for the silvery bar the bottom nothing about the two displays look the same to me.
edit: This on-screen controls look very nice for an inexpensive display. In fact, the whole unboxing Apple][ linked to makes this looks like a high-quality product I'd expect for at least double the price.
Yes, it does look like a very inexpensive display and a good value for the money. IPS is so much better than crap TN, IMO. Hopefully they make larger than 23", as that is a bit on the small side for many people. A 27" would be nice.
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Yes, it does look like a very inexpensive display and a good value for the money. IPS is so much better than crap TN, IMO. Hopefully they make larger than 23", as that is a bit on the small side for many people. A 27" would be nice.
The IPS displays at the 27" size have been lowering in price over the past year. AnandTech has reviewed many of them. None as nice as the AOC here but if you don't care about that you can get one that's a fraction of what Apple charges. I recall one they bought which allowed them to pay extra to get one with no dead pixels in it, if that tells you anything about the level of quality one is dealing with. Apple also calibrates their displays fairly well at the factory which I don't think many vendors will do.
The IPS displays at the 27" size have been lowering in price over the past year. AnandTech has reviewed many of them. None as nice as the AOC here but if you don't care about that you can get one that's a fraction of what Apple charges. I recall one they bought which allowed them to pay extra to get one with no dead pixels in it, if that tells you anything about the level of quality one is dealing with. Apple also calibrates their displays fairly well at the factory which I don't think many vendors will do.
I've been wanting to get a 27" 2560x1440 IPS display for a while now, but was unwilling to pay the premium that most displays like that cost. I'm not a graphic designer or photographer that's looking for the world's best or most accurate display, I just want more pixels on my display.
That doesn't look that bad, but damn I would have to pull those stickers/badges off of the lower left the second that thing came out of the box. Put that crap on the back, or just on the box.
That doesn't look that bad, but damn I would have to pull those stickers/badges off of the lower left the second that thing came out of the box. Put that crap on the back, or just on the box.
Stickers on the product (the SHIPPING product, not just store displays!) is, to me, an offense almost on the level of outright design theft, but for an entirely different reason.
I mean… do you not care about your product? Plastering specs all over it like that matters, shoving supported formats and the logos for such and such in strips, the Intel sticker, the FORCED Windows sticker, the EnergyStar sticker…
I don't even like the "screen on" stickers on iDevices, but Apple otherwise doesn't fall for that crap.
Stickers on the product (the SHIPPING product, not just store displays!) is, to me, an offense almost on the level of outright design theft, but for an entirely different reason.
I mean… do you not care about your product? Plastering specs all over it like that matters, shoving supported formats and the logos for such and such in strips, the Intel sticker, the FORCED Windows sticker, the EnergyStar sticker…
I don't even like the "screen on" stickers on iDevices, but Apple otherwise doesn't fall for that crap.
PC laptops look horrible to begin with, but they look even more ridiculous with all of those crappy stickers plastered everywhere. And many people don't even remove the stickers. That shows you the mentality of the average PC user. They just don't care, they're like a bunch of slobs. And don't even get me started on the off-center trackpad.
I'm in need of an external monitor refresh (currently have a Dell 20" FP2007 that has a bad power supply). I've been considering the Dell U2713H (the equivalent to the current Apple TB Display). However, there are limitations in max resolutions that I think I've sorted through with a little research. It currently sells for $799 on sale with a 3 year warranty. It's regular price is $999...but I think that's just because it's predecessor (the U2711) was CNet's top pick for best monitor. The U2713H is every bit as good as the current TB display (if not better) save for one advantage...it has I/O ports to boot and has Manual switching between I/Os. A huge advantage.
I am strongly considering the current TB display also to match all my other Apple HW. However, I need a display that can handle a Mac and a PC (at the same time) and the current TB display is incompatible with PCs. A huge oversight on Apple's part if you ask me. Not to mention there is no way to switch between computers even if they are both Macs. A friend of mine just got the U2713H and loves it...mainly for the reason that he needs to plug-in a Mac Mini and his MBP both at the same time.
I really hope Apple addresses these major oversights in the next re-design of the TB display. If they do...I'll be first in line.
I cannot see Apple catering for people who need to use their monitor with a PC or adding dual inputs - they just won't see these as major oversights.
Sounds like you need to go the Dell route, but at least you will get a 3 year warranty and not a single stuck pixel - unlike Apple who insist on several pixels clustered together before they will exchange the panel.
I really want to upgrade my 30" cinema display where are the big 30" stylish monitors apple? Two 30" thunderbolt displays daisy chained to my mac book pro is what I want.
Make it happen at a lower price. The TB display is way over priced even if you consider the TB hub.
Hells yeah. I say 36" - 8K Res - 9 mm thick - super low glare - three fiber TB ports - 3 USB 3 - FW 800 - 1.44 floppy drive - and a jar of unicorn tears.
And $500 sounds about right (with all cables included), right?
:-)
PS: On a serious note, once (if) PC makers start releasing TB-equipped PC's, would they NOT work with the existing (or upcoming) Apple TB monitor??
If it's as thin as the new iMacs (which it should be), I'd consider one for my office. First the 11" MBA then maybe the monitor.
I love the Apple BT keyboards and trackpad.
Even though the set up would have an extra wire on the desk compared to the 27" iMac (which is a big deal for me), it would be less one "device" to have to keep updated and sync'd.
A number of resellers have run dry of Apple Thunderbolt Display inventory, suggesting the 27-inch monitor may be due for an upgrade, perhaps with a thinner design that takes cues from the latest iMacs. ...
To me, this is only interesting if they are actually going to go back to making the bigger sizes. 27" just doesn't cut it once you are used to the older, bigger ones.
It would also be nice to go back to a more rational aspect ratio like 16:10 but that will probably never happen now.
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Those look like different models (sizes). Are they?
If not, that looks like an easy lawsuit. I don't mean in the size portrayed on the box, but in that the box does not show the size therein. Maybe their larger model (as on the box) doesn't have a border, but this smaller one does.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Those look like different models (sizes). Are they?
If not, that looks like an easy lawsuit. I don't mean in the size portrayed on the box, but in that the box does not show the size therein. Maybe their larger model (as on the box) doesn't have a border, but this smaller one does.
The link was from Anandtech, and it takes you to an unboxing page, so I do believe that the monitor which I posted came from the box which I posted. I don't read any crazy Asian languages, so I'm not able to decipher what is written on that page.
http://t17.techbang.com/topics/17294-new-equipment-company-aoc-i2367fh-super-eye-right-out-of-the-box
Besides who cowers at a 23" display? It might be plausible if the screen showed his wife staring at him.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
This looks like a great deal for $180 (in stock) if you want a 23" IPS display. 2mm border, too.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6468/aocs-i2367fh-thin-virtually-borderless-and-ips
I use their E2460 now, picking it up as a replacement for one in our cutting room. Figured it was "good enough" for the use, but have been pretty impressed with it. It's a surprisingly good display considering I'd spent less than $150 on it. I'd buy AOC again and may consider the one you linked for one of the RIP-stations that could use a new monitor.
Thanks Soli!
Even the aspect ratio looks wrong. Except for the silvery bar the bottom nothing about the two displays look the same to me.
edit: This on-screen controls look very nice for an inexpensive display. In fact, the whole unboxing Apple][ linked to makes this looks like a high-quality product I'd expect for at least double the price.
One of the big changes between the previous iMac and the current one is that they went to a design without a gap between the LCD and the glass - which cuts down on reflections by about 75%. I would expect them to do the same thing with the next version of their display.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
Even the aspect ratio looks wrong. Except for the silvery bar the bottom nothing about the two displays look the same to me.
edit: This on-screen controls look very nice for an inexpensive display. In fact, the whole unboxing Apple][ linked to makes this looks like a high-quality product I'd expect for at least double the price.
Yes, it does look like a very inexpensive display and a good value for the money. IPS is so much better than crap TN, IMO. Hopefully they make larger than 23", as that is a bit on the small side for many people. A 27" would be nice.
The IPS displays at the 27" size have been lowering in price over the past year. AnandTech has reviewed many of them. None as nice as the AOC here but if you don't care about that you can get one that's a fraction of what Apple charges. I recall one they bought which allowed them to pay extra to get one with no dead pixels in it, if that tells you anything about the level of quality one is dealing with. Apple also calibrates their displays fairly well at the factory which I don't think many vendors will do.
edit: There we go: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5885/the-achieva-shimian-qh270-a-350-27inch-wqhd-sips-display
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
The IPS displays at the 27" size have been lowering in price over the past year. AnandTech has reviewed many of them. None as nice as the AOC here but if you don't care about that you can get one that's a fraction of what Apple charges. I recall one they bought which allowed them to pay extra to get one with no dead pixels in it, if that tells you anything about the level of quality one is dealing with. Apple also calibrates their displays fairly well at the factory which I don't think many vendors will do.
edit: There we go: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5885/the-achieva-shimian-qh270-a-350-27inch-wqhd-sips-display
Great, thanks for the link, I've bookmarked it.
I've been wanting to get a 27" 2560x1440 IPS display for a while now, but was unwilling to pay the premium that most displays like that cost. I'm not a graphic designer or photographer that's looking for the world's best or most accurate display, I just want more pixels on my display.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
That doesn't look that bad, but damn I would have to pull those stickers/badges off of the lower left the second that thing came out of the box. Put that crap on the back, or just on the box.
Originally Posted by Phone-UI-Guy
That doesn't look that bad, but damn I would have to pull those stickers/badges off of the lower left the second that thing came out of the box. Put that crap on the back, or just on the box.
Stickers on the product (the SHIPPING product, not just store displays!) is, to me, an offense almost on the level of outright design theft, but for an entirely different reason.
I mean… do you not care about your product? Plastering specs all over it like that matters, shoving supported formats and the logos for such and such in strips, the Intel sticker, the FORCED Windows sticker, the EnergyStar sticker…
I don't even like the "screen on" stickers on iDevices, but Apple otherwise doesn't fall for that crap.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Stickers on the product (the SHIPPING product, not just store displays!) is, to me, an offense almost on the level of outright design theft, but for an entirely different reason.
I mean… do you not care about your product? Plastering specs all over it like that matters, shoving supported formats and the logos for such and such in strips, the Intel sticker, the FORCED Windows sticker, the EnergyStar sticker…
I don't even like the "screen on" stickers on iDevices, but Apple otherwise doesn't fall for that crap.
PC laptops look horrible to begin with, but they look even more ridiculous with all of those crappy stickers plastered everywhere. And many people don't even remove the stickers. That shows you the mentality of the average PC user. They just don't care, they're like a bunch of slobs. And don't even get me started on the off-center trackpad.
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Originally Posted by antkm1
I'm in need of an external monitor refresh (currently have a Dell 20" FP2007 that has a bad power supply). I've been considering the Dell U2713H (the equivalent to the current Apple TB Display). However, there are limitations in max resolutions that I think I've sorted through with a little research. It currently sells for $799 on sale with a 3 year warranty. It's regular price is $999...but I think that's just because it's predecessor (the U2711) was CNet's top pick for best monitor. The U2713H is every bit as good as the current TB display (if not better) save for one advantage...it has I/O ports to boot and has Manual switching between I/Os. A huge advantage.
I am strongly considering the current TB display also to match all my other Apple HW. However, I need a display that can handle a Mac and a PC (at the same time) and the current TB display is incompatible with PCs. A huge oversight on Apple's part if you ask me. Not to mention there is no way to switch between computers even if they are both Macs. A friend of mine just got the U2713H and loves it...mainly for the reason that he needs to plug-in a Mac Mini and his MBP both at the same time.
I really hope Apple addresses these major oversights in the next re-design of the TB display. If they do...I'll be first in line.
I cannot see Apple catering for people who need to use their monitor with a PC or adding dual inputs - they just won't see these as major oversights.
Sounds like you need to go the Dell route, but at least you will get a 3 year warranty and not a single stuck pixel - unlike Apple who insist on several pixels clustered together before they will exchange the panel.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
And don't even get me started on the off-center trackpad.
I thought I was the only one! That and track pads that don't have a ridge or texture change where they end and turn into palm rest.
I really want to upgrade my 30" cinema display where are the big 30" stylish monitors apple? Two 30" thunderbolt displays daisy chained to my mac book pro is what I want.
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Originally Posted by wizard69
Make it happen at a lower price. The TB display is way over priced even if you consider the TB hub.
Hells yeah. I say 36" - 8K Res - 9 mm thick - super low glare - three fiber TB ports - 3 USB 3 - FW 800 - 1.44 floppy drive - and a jar of unicorn tears.
And $500 sounds about right (with all cables included), right?
:-)
PS: On a serious note, once (if) PC makers start releasing TB-equipped PC's, would they NOT work with the existing (or upcoming) Apple TB monitor??
If it's as thin as the new iMacs (which it should be), I'd consider one for my office. First the 11" MBA then maybe the monitor.
I love the Apple BT keyboards and trackpad.
Even though the set up would have an extra wire on the desk compared to the 27" iMac (which is a big deal for me), it would be less one "device" to have to keep updated and sync'd.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider
A number of resellers have run dry of Apple Thunderbolt Display inventory, suggesting the 27-inch monitor may be due for an upgrade, perhaps with a thinner design that takes cues from the latest iMacs. ...
To me, this is only interesting if they are actually going to go back to making the bigger sizes. 27" just doesn't cut it once you are used to the older, bigger ones.
It would also be nice to go back to a more rational aspect ratio like 16:10 but that will probably never happen now.