And yet all those logical-thinking consumers failed to adopt the Windows-based tablet despite having more than a decade head start over the iPad and MS has made Windows RT which can't use any of the apps that logical-thinking consumers would want but have to use mobile apps that apparently can't do a damn thing.
Saying that one uses "logic" and "reason" if they agree with a statement is forum rhetoric to imply that anyone who disagrees with that statement is an irrational fanboy. It's an indirect ad hominem attack.
Another vote for the full sized iPad being the most useful beneficiary of that sort of bump. That size for an iPhone would be in the iPod Classic territory. It might be offered for the niche I suppose.
About time. In the age of e-books from iBook Author, 16 GB is simply just not enough. The smallest one can be half a Gig in size.
16GB not being enough doesn't say anything about 128GB.
All of my books, magazines and PDFs amount to less than 2GB.
Besides, at half a gig a book, that's still 32 books, about four times than what's needed for a semester. Not all books need to be loaded simultaneously.
16GB not being enough doesn't say anything about 128GB.
All of my books, magazines and PDFs amount to less than 2GB.
Besides, at half a gig a book, that's still 32 books, about four times than what's needed for a semester. Not all books need to be loaded simultaneously.
And with the digital books merging with physical book usage the distribution can be altered significantly. If there is a media-heavy textbook that is deemed too large they could split the book into two parts.
Perhaps an opposite example for the same reasoning was my college calculus book which covered both Calc I and II.
Either way I think both are not common and therefore not a good reason to claim that a 16GB tablet is too small.
And with the digital books merging with physical book usage the distribution can be altered significantly. If there is a media-heavy textbook that is deemed too large they could split the book into two parts.
Perhaps an opposite example for the same reasoning was my college calculus book which covered both Calc I and II.
Either way I think both are not common and therefore not a good reason to claim that a 16GB tablet is too small.
That said, I wouldn't mind more space. I fill extra space with stuff that I don't really need, but it won't be books. I can expand the number of items in my random smart playlist. However, I don't play music on my iPad. I have some select videos, I still haven't watched most of them on the device, only there in case I want to watch or show them.
My largest PDF is 300MB, and it's a 1300 page document with lots of high resolution images. I do have a Zinio magazine that's heavily multimedia oriented, 32 pages long, with a video on most pages, and it's about 200MB. I don't think schools are going to run out of space. If you have eight classes and have a bizarre need for huge space, you can average 2GB per class.
Off topic a bit, but something hit me while watching that Revolution episode on TV where an iPhone came to life well over a decade later, and all this talk of huge amounts of Flash reminded me ...
The average Flash memory data retention for unpowered phones, cameras, memory chips, flash drives, is supposedly only around five years. Could be up to ten years, but even that time limit is ticking away, and the time limit greatly decreases with higher surrounding temperatures. (Mind you, I have checked Flash that I stored ten years ago and it seems okay. Hard to tell, might be missing a file or two.)
I wonder how many people have backed up their old photos and videos somewhere safer?
Off topic a bit, but something hit me while watching that Revolution episode on TV where an iPhone came to life well over a decade later, and all this talk of huge amounts of Flash reminded me ...
<span style="font-size:13px;line-height:1.231;">The average Flash memory data retention for unpowered phones, cameras, memory chips, flash drives, is supposedly only around five years. </span>
<span style="font-size:13px;line-height:1.231;">Could be up to ten years, but even that time limit is ticking away, and the time limit greatly decreases with higher surrounding temperatures. (Mind you, I have checked Flash that I stored ten years ago and it seems okay. Hard to tell, might be missing a file or two.)</span>
I wonder how many people have backed up their old photos and videos somewhere safer?
Huh? People get a new iPad and iPhone within those 5 years. They give them away or sell them to have the latest version. iPhones faster than iPads, but still. And people that do not back up apparently don't care if they lose their photos and videos.
But are telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I don't think so. First of all your comparison to a company creating an average APR and profit margin by spacing products accordingly has no barring in this conversation. Second, it's cynical and foolish to think the only reason they would make a 128GB iPad was to increase the APR, not because it's a device they think will sell to those that need/want it and is now feasible with the next iPad revision
Umm... if you noticed, I was supporting YOUR previous contention that Apple uses higher memoried devices to increase their ASP. You are slapping down your own theories.
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For your statement to be true you have to tell use why they didn't do this earlier and why the iPad has been priced so cheaply to begin with when they can't keep it on the shelves. Your statement is predicated on an unspoken belief that Apple woke up one day and said "What if had a more expensive iPad" as if that never occurred to them which makes your comments cynical and not at al truthful.
Finally, you have to argue why you think a 128GB iPad would go up price and not be the new high end model.
Err... besides the rather rude comment that any opinions you disagree with are somehow the same as lies ("not all all truthful"), today's news pretty much negates everything you just claimed that Apple wouldn't do:
"The 128-gigabyte version of the fourth-generation iPad are available starting Tuesday,... They will have a suggested retail price of $799 for the Wi-Fi-only model, while the cellular-capable model will sell for $929.
"Apple's 9.7-inch iPad lineup now extends to four different capacities, starting at 16 gigabytes for the entry-level model."
Huh? People get a new iPad and iPhone within those 5 years. They give them away or sell them to have the latest version. iPhones faster than iPads, but still. And people that do not back up apparently don't care if they lose their photos and videos.
Surveys say that half of iPhone users keep their old devices when they upgrade.
A heckuva lot more people also have old camera flashcards, USB keys, and dumb phones with pictures, sitting in drawers somewhere.
The common person sure doesn't know the data won't last forever. It has nothing to do with "not caring" if they lose their photos and videos.
Umm... if you noticed, I was supporting YOUR previous contention that Apple uses higher memoried devices to increase their ASP. You are slapping down your own theories.
Err... besides the rather rude comment that any opinions you disagree with are somehow the same as lies ("not all all truthful"), today's news pretty much negates everything you just claimed that Apple wouldn't do:
<span style="color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:18.19444465637207px;">"The 128-gigabyte version of the fourth-generation iPad are available starting Tuesday,... They will have a suggested retail price of $799 for the Wi-Fi-only model, while the cellular-capable model will sell for $929.</span>
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<span style="color:rgb(24,24,24);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;line-height:18.19444465637207px;">"Apple's 9.7-inch iPad lineup now extends to four different capacities, starting at 16 gigabytes for the entry-level model."</span>
1) What you wrote was a fallacy. I corrected and explained why in what I believe to be sufficient detail.
2) You seem to still be under the erroneous assumption that next week's 128GB iPad is because they woke one day and said "I have an idea as to adjust the dropping APR from the iPad mini release."
3) I never said that a 128GB iPad wouldn't happen, I asked you to make a valid argument to back up your position. I actually did that yesterday buy researching the changes in NAND and came back with a conclusion that 20/25nm NAND is now available in capacity with sufficient performance and longevity that it's been finding its way into new, lower cost SSDs that are arriving this quarter.
Huh? People get a new iPad and iPhone within those 5 years. They give them away or sell them to have the latest version. iPhones faster than iPads, but still. And people that do not back up apparently don't care if they lose their photos and videos.
<span style="font-size:13px;line-height:1.231;">Surveys say that half of iPhone users keep their old devices when they upgrade. </span>
A heckuva lot more people also have old camera flashcards, USB keys, and dumb phones with pictures, sitting in drawers somewhere.
The common person sure doesn't know the data won't last forever. It has nothing to do with "not caring" if they lose their photos and videos.
As I understand it many people who keep their iPhone simply dump it down to an iPod touch and hand it over to their kid. So backing up is of no need as the apps can be re-downloaded. Hanging on to your iPad, I don't know. I do it, simply because I'm too lzy to 'drag' it into the kitchen and now have the old model right next to the espresso machine. I watch the pictures shown on http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/ in their app. Unfortunately the app got an update and is total crap now. Luckily the old one still works.
I agree that the common person won't know that their data won't last, but many know the battery won't last and because it's electronics these things go kaput.
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Saying that one uses "logic" and "reason" if they agree with a statement is forum rhetoric to imply that anyone who disagrees with that statement is an irrational fanboy. It's an indirect ad hominem attack.
16GB not being enough doesn't say anything about 128GB.
All of my books, magazines and PDFs amount to less than 2GB.
Besides, at half a gig a book, that's still 32 books, about four times than what's needed for a semester. Not all books need to be loaded simultaneously.
And with the digital books merging with physical book usage the distribution can be altered significantly. If there is a media-heavy textbook that is deemed too large they could split the book into two parts.
Perhaps an opposite example for the same reasoning was my college calculus book which covered both Calc I and II.
Either way I think both are not common and therefore not a good reason to claim that a 16GB tablet is too small.
That said, I wouldn't mind more space. I fill extra space with stuff that I don't really need, but it won't be books. I can expand the number of items in my random smart playlist. However, I don't play music on my iPad. I have some select videos, I still haven't watched most of them on the device, only there in case I want to watch or show them.
My largest PDF is 300MB, and it's a 1300 page document with lots of high resolution images. I do have a Zinio magazine that's heavily multimedia oriented, 32 pages long, with a video on most pages, and it's about 200MB. I don't think schools are going to run out of space. If you have eight classes and have a bizarre need for huge space, you can average 2GB per class.
Off topic a bit, but something hit me while watching that Revolution episode on TV where an iPhone came to life well over a decade later, and all this talk of huge amounts of Flash reminded me ...
The average Flash memory data retention for unpowered phones, cameras, memory chips, flash drives, is supposedly only around five years. Could be up to ten years, but even that time limit is ticking away, and the time limit greatly decreases with higher surrounding temperatures. (Mind you, I have checked Flash that I stored ten years ago and it seems okay. Hard to tell, might be missing a file or two.)
I wonder how many people have backed up their old photos and videos somewhere safer?
Huh? People get a new iPad and iPhone within those 5 years. They give them away or sell them to have the latest version. iPhones faster than iPads, but still. And people that do not back up apparently don't care if they lose their photos and videos.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
But are telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? I don't think so. First of all your comparison to a company creating an average APR and profit margin by spacing products accordingly has no barring in this conversation. Second, it's cynical and foolish to think the only reason they would make a 128GB iPad was to increase the APR, not because it's a device they think will sell to those that need/want it and is now feasible with the next iPad revision
Umm... if you noticed, I was supporting YOUR previous contention that Apple uses higher memoried devices to increase their ASP. You are slapping down your own theories.
Quote:
For your statement to be true you have to tell use why they didn't do this earlier and why the iPad has been priced so cheaply to begin with when they can't keep it on the shelves. Your statement is predicated on an unspoken belief that Apple woke up one day and said "What if had a more expensive iPad" as if that never occurred to them which makes your comments cynical and not at al truthful.
Finally, you have to argue why you think a 128GB iPad would go up price and not be the new high end model.
Err... besides the rather rude comment that any opinions you disagree with are somehow the same as lies ("not all all truthful"), today's news pretty much negates everything you just claimed that Apple wouldn't do:
"The 128-gigabyte version of the fourth-generation iPad are available starting Tuesday,... They will have a suggested retail price of $799 for the Wi-Fi-only model, while the cellular-capable model will sell for $929.
"Apple's 9.7-inch iPad lineup now extends to four different capacities, starting at 16 gigabytes for the entry-level model."
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
Huh? People get a new iPad and iPhone within those 5 years. They give them away or sell them to have the latest version. iPhones faster than iPads, but still. And people that do not back up apparently don't care if they lose their photos and videos.
Surveys say that half of iPhone users keep their old devices when they upgrade.
A heckuva lot more people also have old camera flashcards, USB keys, and dumb phones with pictures, sitting in drawers somewhere.
The common person sure doesn't know the data won't last forever. It has nothing to do with "not caring" if they lose their photos and videos.
1) What you wrote was a fallacy. I corrected and explained why in what I believe to be sufficient detail.
2) You seem to still be under the erroneous assumption that next week's 128GB iPad is because they woke one day and said "I have an idea as to adjust the dropping APR from the iPad mini release."
3) I never said that a 128GB iPad wouldn't happen, I asked you to make a valid argument to back up your position. I actually did that yesterday buy researching the changes in NAND and came back with a conclusion that 20/25nm NAND is now available in capacity with sufficient performance and longevity that it's been finding its way into new, lower cost SSDs that are arriving this quarter.
As I understand it many people who keep their iPhone simply dump it down to an iPod touch and hand it over to their kid. So backing up is of no need as the apps can be re-downloaded. Hanging on to your iPad, I don't know. I do it, simply because I'm too lzy to 'drag' it into the kitchen and now have the old model right next to the espresso machine. I watch the pictures shown on http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/ in their app. Unfortunately the app got an update and is total crap now. Luckily the old one still works.
I agree that the common person won't know that their data won't last, but many know the battery won't last and because it's electronics these things go kaput.