Bolded part isn't happening unless LTE access becomes unimaginably cheaper. Yes wifi works but this is inherently a mobile device and people want their data on the go and don't want to kill their data plans for it. iCloud is not meant to be a replacement for storage from Apple's side (would have to start charging high service fees on more storage per user) or from the consumer's side (previously stated data plan limits). It is to work in conjunction. People need to come to that realization.
Thanks for your response and it makes sense in our current infrastructure. I still fell like I'm getting a takeout gourmet steak from a restaurant and stopping by McDonalds to buy fries on the way home.
Fifty years from today, will a single device come closer to zero in memory or petabytes or fragments for each device (like phones, washing machines, etc,) that will into feed under a grand scheme of user needs/wants. Kinda of funny that my washing machine could have dedicated hardware/software to use Skype on my phone.
I'm not sure I see a strong market for a 128GB iPad. Based at least on what sales are showing people seem to be moving in the other direction with the lighter smaller iPad mini. I'm not sure max storage is a factor with the iPad. I can't find the source however last year I read where the mid range 32gb iPad 3 was the most popular at the time of the survey with 49%.
I am sure numbers have shifted all over the place with the intro of the Mini and the iPad 4.
Sooooo... are they still going to release an iPad "5" in April or so, or does this news eliminate that possibility and the iPad "5" will in October-ish? Now, I'm confused if I should wait for April or just buy now cuz the "5" isn't for 8-9 months! Any thoughts or insight from anyone? Thanks.
Secondly, I hope the iPad "5" they do some innovation on the OS this year, spruce up multi-tasking, add some new features -- not just make it thinner with changed corners and new back.
If I were to ask you what you expect in a new iOS software release, what would you say? You already know the answer to the multitasking question ("No"), so what "new features" do you want? Do you expect change for the sake of change, new for the sake of new? I mean, as consumers we're taught to expect "New and Improved!" on everything, including our laundry detergent.
First, the answer to the multitasking question is "yes"... the user's ability to participate in multitasking is what is limited. There are system background tasks running all the time. There are some situations where user apps can multitask to an extent.
I can see Apple:
easing the restriction on some types of multitasking
expanding inter-app communication and execution
adding a more accessible file system while preserving transparency and ease of use
adding the ability to share files among apps
adding more granular UI interface with an instant on/off loupe to allow usage of small controls, text, etc.
adding support for pressure sensitive stylus with "computed" higher resolution than available with a passive touch screen
Some of these things will open the iPad to much more robust apps for CAD, AV Editing, Drawing/Painting...
I'm not sure I see a strong market for a 128GB iPad.
640k ought to be enough cliche for anyone.
…moving in the other direction with the lighter smaller iPad mini.
And how does this say anything about capacity?
Originally Posted by SCProfessor
Fifty years from today, will a single device come closer to zero in memory or petabytes or fragments for each device (like phones, washing machines, etc,) that will into feed under a grand scheme of user needs/wants.
In 2050, we'll still be limited to 2GB a month. Nothing will change.
If I were to ask you what you expect in a new iOS software release, what would you say? You already know the answer to the multitasking question ("No"), so what "new features" do you want? Do you expect change for the sake of change, new for the sake of new? I mean, as consumers we're taught to expect "New and Improved!" on everything, including our laundry detergent.
The iOS file structure or lack of it needs to be addressed. When you have 100s or 1000s of pdfs, pictures etc. you need to be able to organize them in a structured manner. iBooks allows a few different categories but it isn't sufficient for large numbers of documents. Adding another 64Gb of storage is only going to make it worse.
To stick it into a Samsung device? Realy, if you don't understand the benefits of build-in NAND, well, then you don't understand the benefits of build-in NAND.
O.K. not being sarcastic, then teach me. Maybe the cards and cloud are slower and screws with the file management system. But at 43, I don't care about running PacMan v. 157 requiring 15GB (that's poor sarcasm).
I guess the philosophical issue is 128 to 256 to 512... When does it stop? I was critical when Jobs and Apple dropped 3.5 drives, CDs, DVDs and so on. But the logic is sound and should apply to memory as well. Execute a flawless icloud system that can interface with other OSs, and memory becomes wasted plastic. The same could be said of displays. Why do I have to look at my iPad to get the content. Why can't my car navi or TV or a projection on a wall give me content?
The SD cards are lower quality, slower and likely will wear out sooner. Then there is the whole hassle of:
carrying around those pesky little cards in their little carrying cases
spanning/segmenting large files across multiple cards
storing and locating multiple small files on a single card
backup
creating, maintaining and storing some sort of index to keep track of all the bits and pieces stored on those cards
Anyway... the whole fiddliness of SD cards defeats the "grab and go" convenience of mobile devices, IMO.
The SD cards are lower quality, slower and likely will wear out sooner. Then there is the whole hassle of:
carrying around those pesky little cards in their little carrying cases
spanning/segmenting large files across multiple cards
storing and locating multiple small files on a single card
backup
creating, maintaining and storing some sort of index to keep track of all the bits and pieces stored on those cards
Anyway... the whole fiddliness of SD cards defeats the "grab and go" convenience of mobile devices, IMO.
You can buy a decent 64GB SD card for about $50. Chances are once it is inserted into a device you probably won't ever remove it again. Think of it more like adding a 2nd hard drive to a Mac Pro. That extra storage would really be a nice boost in storage. I think the main reason it is not allowed by Apple is that they much prefer you to spend an extra $100 to now $300 to get more room. If the iPad 16GB had an SD clot I see very little incentive for people to buy the 64GB model for $150 more for 16GB less storage vs. just buying your own SD card.
Sure it might be a little slower but not by much. The file system might present a problem but I am sure Apple could solve that very easily if they chose to do so. The easiest would be just to create a hybrid like fusion drive with just one partition. Few people carry around multiple cards in cases like you describe , you simply buy the largest one you need then plop it in and forget about it.
I doubt Apple will ever add an SD slot because there is little incentive for them to do so as long as the iPad is selling so well. That might change over time, but I could see them reserving an SD slot as a premium feature for their most expensive model or perhaps for the cellular enabled models. Adding it to the 16GB model would probably cost them a lot fewer sales for the more expensive models.
I'm not sure I see a strong market for a 128GB iPad. Based at least on what sales are showing people seem to be moving in the other direction with the lighter smaller iPad mini. I'm not sure max storage is a factor with the iPad. I can't find the source however last year I read where the mid range 32gb iPad 3 was the most popular at the time of the survey with 49%.
I am sure numbers have shifted all over the place with the intro of the Mini and the iPad 4.
At that price point I don't see a huge market either but as you can see from this thread alone it's taking a good amount of the tech news today.
I think it's likely the new process node is being utilized and even if this just an attempt to pull attention from the Surface Pro that we will also likely see a doubling of capacity at the current price points for the next major iPad revision with the caveat that 16GB will not be on the iPad (5) so they can go back to the 3 tier capacity options.
The SD cards are lower quality, slower and likely will wear out sooner. Then there is the whole hassle of:
carrying around those pesky little cards in their little carrying cases
spanning/segmenting large files across multiple cards
storing and locating multiple small files on a single card
backup
creating, maintaining and storing some sort of index to keep track of all the bits and pieces stored on those cards
Anyway... the whole fiddliness of SD cards defeats the "grab and go" convenience of mobile devices, IMO.
SD cards significantly cheaper than what Apple charges for internal memory. IIRC the ipad teardown gave the cost for the 16GB memory as $5 or there abouts so Apple could certainly reduce the price points for larger memory. With reasonable priced internal memory the SD issue would largely go away. The issue of file organization still exists with iOS. SD cards do offer an easy way to keep data seperated by category bu,t if possible, changes to iOS would be the best way to address the current file system limitations.
The SD cards are lower quality, slower and likely will wear out sooner.
You think? Recent generations of low-end pro / upper-end prosumer video cameras are moving to Class 10 SD for storage, and that's for 50Mb/s streams. The higher-end cameras still use dedicated systems like P2 and SxS, but it's starting to look like the trend is towards the cheap/small consumer formats. That makes me wonder how much of a speed and reliability loss there is compared to on-board storage.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
[...] Then there is the whole hassle of:
carrying around those pesky little cards in their little carrying cases
spanning/segmenting large files across multiple cards
storing and locating multiple small files on a single card
backup
creating, maintaining and storing some sort of index to keep track of all the bits and pieces stored on those cards
There's no reason to span across multiple cards, is there? One slot, one card. File management directs "system" files to on-board storage, user files to either on-board or removable. File indexing may add an additional layer of complexity but it can't be that daunting, is it?
Managing multiple small files shouldn't be any more or less difficult on removable storage than on built-in, right? Same with backup? Asks the guy with no understanding of file systems!
Jesus Christ. This is simply an additional capacity option for their current models. Apple isn't marketing this as the 5th gen iPad, nor did they make a keynote for it, it isn't even advertised on their fucking homepage. What exactly is it about the existence of this product that offends you? Were you expecting the iPad line to be completely overhauled silently in January, when it was last updated in October? The level of baseless, self-righteous faux outrage with you is nauseating. Next time Apple issues a a software bug fix for something, be sure to come here shrieking about the lack of innovation in the maintenance update.
My point was for $400 dollars more, I'd expect a bit more than just 64 GB of cheap memory.
I cannot wait until they release the Ipad 5 in March with pretty much the same hardware as the 4, but with much more rounded corners and a milimeter thinner, 1.5x the speed of its predecessor which the human eye can't tell, and call that a complete overhaul and innovation like the previous versions of all their gadgets.
Is there a market for this size? I thought i have a lot in my ipad 64.. Lots of map and games and other appl.. 700 songs and lots of pics.. Yet i only used 32gb...
Who would need 128... What kind of apps and usaage requiers this much storage?
My 64GB iOS devices are so chock full that I can't even hit "Update All" on the App Update page without it telling me I don't have enough space. I end up doing it in batches of 10 App updates at a time. And that's with just a fraction of my music, photos, and videos uploaded on them.
Have you noticed you often answer a question wiith a question? We are talking about real life application in 2013 when it comes to the iPad. If the most popular iPad sold is the 32gb model then what percentage of the population would benefit or consider buying a 128gb iPad? If you don't have at least an educated guess to that question then why bother replying?
"We believe 10-inch screen is minimum necessary."
I guy named Steve Jobs made the above quote and he is still the king at flip flopping. So we can cut Bill Gates some slack.
I never even remotely made the comment that no one would use 128gb on an iPad I simply stated that I don't see a large market for that amount of storage and I will add even more so at that price point.
Lets remember Apple still keeps the iPad Classic and I don't see that flying of the shelves hasn't been updated in 1238 days. Mac Pro that is so outdated it may actually only have 640k. So just because something is for sale doesn't mean it will sell well.
Have you noticed you often answer a question wiith a question? We are talking about real life application in 2013 when it comes to the iPad. If the most popular iPad sold is the 32gb model then what percentage of the population would benefit or consider buying a 128gb iPad? If you don't have at least an educated guess to that question then why bother replying?
"We believe 10-inch screen is minimum necessary."
I guy named Steve Jobs made the above quote and he is still the king at flip flopping. So we can cut Bill Gates some slack.
I never even remotely made the comment that no one would use 128gb on an iPad I simply stated that I don't see a large market for that amount of storage and I will add even more so at that price point.
Lets remember Apple still keeps the iPod Classic and I don't see that flying of the shelves hasn't been updated in 1238 days. Mac Pro that is so outdated it may actually only have 640k. So just because something is for sale doesn't mean it will sell well.
My point was for $400 dollars more, I'd expect a bit more than just 64 GB of cheap memory.
I cannot wait until they release the Ipad 5 in March with pretty much the same hardware as the 4, but with much more rounded corners and a milimeter thinner, 1.5x the speed of its predecessor which the human eye can't tell, and call that a complete overhaul and innovation like the previous versions of all their gadgets.
$799 - $499 = $299 and NOT $399
To your point it is $100 more for an additional 64 GB of memory....$699 for 64 GB model plus $100 for additional 64 GB = $799.
Well these now match my prediction that a new device would be released with IOS 6.1 . Hay it is good that 16 gb is being dropped and then 128 gb is coming.
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Originally Posted by alcstarheel
Bolded part isn't happening unless LTE access becomes unimaginably cheaper. Yes wifi works but this is inherently a mobile device and people want their data on the go and don't want to kill their data plans for it. iCloud is not meant to be a replacement for storage from Apple's side (would have to start charging high service fees on more storage per user) or from the consumer's side (previously stated data plan limits). It is to work in conjunction. People need to come to that realization.
Thanks for your response and it makes sense in our current infrastructure. I still fell like I'm getting a takeout gourmet steak from a restaurant and stopping by McDonalds to buy fries on the way home.
Fifty years from today, will a single device come closer to zero in memory or petabytes or fragments for each device (like phones, washing machines, etc,) that will into feed under a grand scheme of user needs/wants. Kinda of funny that my washing machine could have dedicated hardware/software to use Skype on my phone.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
You're not buying flash, you're buying a product.
I'm not sure I see a strong market for a 128GB iPad. Based at least on what sales are showing people seem to be moving in the other direction with the lighter smaller iPad mini. I'm not sure max storage is a factor with the iPad. I can't find the source however last year I read where the mid range 32gb iPad 3 was the most popular at the time of the survey with 49%.
I am sure numbers have shifted all over the place with the intro of the Mini and the iPad 4.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
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Originally Posted by mesomorphicman
Sooooo... are they still going to release an iPad "5" in April or so, or does this news eliminate that possibility and the iPad "5" will in October-ish? Now, I'm confused if I should wait for April or just buy now cuz the "5" isn't for 8-9 months! Any thoughts or insight from anyone? Thanks.
Secondly, I hope the iPad "5" they do some innovation on the OS this year, spruce up multi-tasking, add some new features -- not just make it thinner with changed corners and new back.
If I were to ask you what you expect in a new iOS software release, what would you say? You already know the answer to the multitasking question ("No"), so what "new features" do you want? Do you expect change for the sake of change, new for the sake of new? I mean, as consumers we're taught to expect "New and Improved!" on everything, including our laundry detergent.
First, the answer to the multitasking question is "yes"... the user's ability to participate in multitasking is what is limited. There are system background tasks running all the time. There are some situations where user apps can multitask to an extent.
I can see Apple:
easing the restriction on some types of multitasking
expanding inter-app communication and execution
adding a more accessible file system while preserving transparency and ease of use
adding the ability to share files among apps
adding more granular UI interface with an instant on/off loupe to allow usage of small controls, text, etc.
adding support for pressure sensitive stylus with "computed" higher resolution than available with a passive touch screen
Some of these things will open the iPad to much more robust apps for CAD, AV Editing, Drawing/Painting...
Originally Posted by extremeskater
I'm not sure I see a strong market for a 128GB iPad.
640k ought to be enough cliche for anyone.
…moving in the other direction with the lighter smaller iPad mini.
And how does this say anything about capacity?
Originally Posted by SCProfessor
Fifty years from today, will a single device come closer to zero in memory or petabytes or fragments for each device (like phones, washing machines, etc,) that will into feed under a grand scheme of user needs/wants.
In 2050, we'll still be limited to 2GB a month. Nothing will change.
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Originally Posted by nickk28
Does anyone else find it really weird that no other site at all including apple's is even speaking of this? Legit much?
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2013/01/29Apple-Increases-iPad-with-Retina-Display-to-128GB.html
They just have not updated all their pages yet for whatever reason.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
If I were to ask you what you expect in a new iOS software release, what would you say? You already know the answer to the multitasking question ("No"), so what "new features" do you want? Do you expect change for the sake of change, new for the sake of new? I mean, as consumers we're taught to expect "New and Improved!" on everything, including our laundry detergent.
The iOS file structure or lack of it needs to be addressed. When you have 100s or 1000s of pdfs, pictures etc. you need to be able to organize them in a structured manner. iBooks allows a few different categories but it isn't sufficient for large numbers of documents. Adding another 64Gb of storage is only going to make it worse.
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Originally Posted by SCProfessor
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie
To stick it into a Samsung device? Realy, if you don't understand the benefits of build-in NAND, well, then you don't understand the benefits of build-in NAND.
O.K. not being sarcastic, then teach me. Maybe the cards and cloud are slower and screws with the file management system. But at 43, I don't care about running PacMan v. 157 requiring 15GB (that's poor sarcasm).
I guess the philosophical issue is 128 to 256 to 512... When does it stop? I was critical when Jobs and Apple dropped 3.5 drives, CDs, DVDs and so on. But the logic is sound and should apply to memory as well. Execute a flawless icloud system that can interface with other OSs, and memory becomes wasted plastic. The same could be said of displays. Why do I have to look at my iPad to get the content. Why can't my car navi or TV or a projection on a wall give me content?
The SD cards are lower quality, slower and likely will wear out sooner. Then there is the whole hassle of:
carrying around those pesky little cards in their little carrying cases
spanning/segmenting large files across multiple cards
storing and locating multiple small files on a single card
backup
creating, maintaining and storing some sort of index to keep track of all the bits and pieces stored on those cards
Anyway... the whole fiddliness of SD cards defeats the "grab and go" convenience of mobile devices, IMO.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
The SD cards are lower quality, slower and likely will wear out sooner. Then there is the whole hassle of:
carrying around those pesky little cards in their little carrying cases
spanning/segmenting large files across multiple cards
storing and locating multiple small files on a single card
backup
creating, maintaining and storing some sort of index to keep track of all the bits and pieces stored on those cards
Anyway... the whole fiddliness of SD cards defeats the "grab and go" convenience of mobile devices, IMO.
You can buy a decent 64GB SD card for about $50. Chances are once it is inserted into a device you probably won't ever remove it again. Think of it more like adding a 2nd hard drive to a Mac Pro. That extra storage would really be a nice boost in storage. I think the main reason it is not allowed by Apple is that they much prefer you to spend an extra $100 to now $300 to get more room. If the iPad 16GB had an SD clot I see very little incentive for people to buy the 64GB model for $150 more for 16GB less storage vs. just buying your own SD card.
Sure it might be a little slower but not by much. The file system might present a problem but I am sure Apple could solve that very easily if they chose to do so. The easiest would be just to create a hybrid like fusion drive with just one partition. Few people carry around multiple cards in cases like you describe , you simply buy the largest one you need then plop it in and forget about it.
I doubt Apple will ever add an SD slot because there is little incentive for them to do so as long as the iPad is selling so well. That might change over time, but I could see them reserving an SD slot as a premium feature for their most expensive model or perhaps for the cellular enabled models. Adding it to the 16GB model would probably cost them a lot fewer sales for the more expensive models.
At that price point I don't see a huge market either but as you can see from this thread alone it's taking a good amount of the tech news today.
I think it's likely the new process node is being utilized and even if this just an attempt to pull attention from the Surface Pro that we will also likely see a doubling of capacity at the current price points for the next major iPad revision with the caveat that 16GB will not be on the iPad (5) so they can go back to the 3 tier capacity options.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
The SD cards are lower quality, slower and likely will wear out sooner. Then there is the whole hassle of:
carrying around those pesky little cards in their little carrying cases
spanning/segmenting large files across multiple cards
storing and locating multiple small files on a single card
backup
creating, maintaining and storing some sort of index to keep track of all the bits and pieces stored on those cards
Anyway... the whole fiddliness of SD cards defeats the "grab and go" convenience of mobile devices, IMO.
SD cards significantly cheaper than what Apple charges for internal memory. IIRC the ipad teardown gave the cost for the 16GB memory as $5 or there abouts so Apple could certainly reduce the price points for larger memory. With reasonable priced internal memory the SD issue would largely go away. The issue of file organization still exists with iOS. SD cards do offer an easy way to keep data seperated by category bu,t if possible, changes to iOS would be the best way to address the current file system limitations.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
The SD cards are lower quality, slower and likely will wear out sooner.
You think? Recent generations of low-end pro / upper-end prosumer video cameras are moving to Class 10 SD for storage, and that's for 50Mb/s streams. The higher-end cameras still use dedicated systems like P2 and SxS, but it's starting to look like the trend is towards the cheap/small consumer formats. That makes me wonder how much of a speed and reliability loss there is compared to on-board storage.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
[...] Then there is the whole hassle of:
carrying around those pesky little cards in their little carrying cases
spanning/segmenting large files across multiple cards
storing and locating multiple small files on a single card
backup
creating, maintaining and storing some sort of index to keep track of all the bits and pieces stored on those cards
There's no reason to span across multiple cards, is there? One slot, one card. File management directs "system" files to on-board storage, user files to either on-board or removable. File indexing may add an additional layer of complexity but it can't be that daunting, is it?
Managing multiple small files shouldn't be any more or less difficult on removable storage than on built-in, right? Same with backup? Asks the guy with no understanding of file systems!
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Originally Posted by Slurpy
Jesus Christ. This is simply an additional capacity option for their current models. Apple isn't marketing this as the 5th gen iPad, nor did they make a keynote for it, it isn't even advertised on their fucking homepage. What exactly is it about the existence of this product that offends you? Were you expecting the iPad line to be completely overhauled silently in January, when it was last updated in October? The level of baseless, self-righteous faux outrage with you is nauseating. Next time Apple issues a a software bug fix for something, be sure to come here shrieking about the lack of innovation in the maintenance update.
My point was for $400 dollars more, I'd expect a bit more than just 64 GB of cheap memory.
I cannot wait until they release the Ipad 5 in March with pretty much the same hardware as the 4, but with much more rounded corners and a milimeter thinner, 1.5x the speed of its predecessor which the human eye can't tell, and call that a complete overhaul and innovation like the previous versions of all their gadgets.
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Originally Posted by Yojimbo007
Is there a market for this size? I thought i have a lot in my ipad 64.. Lots of map and games and other appl.. 700 songs and lots of pics.. Yet i only used 32gb...
Who would need 128... What kind of apps and usaage requiers this much storage?
My 64GB iOS devices are so chock full that I can't even hit "Update All" on the App Update page without it telling me I don't have enough space. I end up doing it in batches of 10 App updates at a time. And that's with just a fraction of my music, photos, and videos uploaded on them.
Can't wait for the 128GB (I'll sell off my 64GB).
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
640k ought to be enough cliche for anyone.
And how does this say anything about capacity?
Have you noticed you often answer a question wiith a question? We are talking about real life application in 2013 when it comes to the iPad. If the most popular iPad sold is the 32gb model then what percentage of the population would benefit or consider buying a 128gb iPad? If you don't have at least an educated guess to that question then why bother replying?
"We believe 10-inch screen is minimum necessary."
I guy named Steve Jobs made the above quote and he is still the king at flip flopping. So we can cut Bill Gates some slack.
I never even remotely made the comment that no one would use 128gb on an iPad I simply stated that I don't see a large market for that amount of storage and I will add even more so at that price point.
Lets remember Apple still keeps the iPad Classic and I don't see that flying of the shelves hasn't been updated in 1238 days. Mac Pro that is so outdated it may actually only have 640k. So just because something is for sale doesn't mean it will sell well.
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Originally Posted by EricTheHalfBee
Wow. So much discussion over Apple offering more storageon the iPad.
Based on the number of comments I would have guessed this to be an article about Apple winning another case against Samsung.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
LOL!. You're right. I've no idea why a simple storage increase prompts over 130 posts in less than a day. Maybe nothing else to talk about?
By that token, you two sound like the real losers..... posting to say that there's not much about which to post!?
OK, I get that.
But will Apple be agiling the iPad 5 in March oder Oktober?
I mean this is the THIRD f***ing version of iPad 3 in less than a year!!!!
Can't they be putting all of that energy into a fourth generation iPad, FFS?!?
Jesus ....
I'm sick & f***ing tired of looking at my iPad 2 already ....
LET'S GO, APPLE!!!
Fixed it for you.
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Originally Posted by KingChael
My point was for $400 dollars more, I'd expect a bit more than just 64 GB of cheap memory.
I cannot wait until they release the Ipad 5 in March with pretty much the same hardware as the 4, but with much more rounded corners and a milimeter thinner, 1.5x the speed of its predecessor which the human eye can't tell, and call that a complete overhaul and innovation like the previous versions of all their gadgets.
$799 - $499 = $299 and NOT $399
To your point it is $100 more for an additional 64 GB of memory....$699 for 64 GB model plus $100 for additional 64 GB = $799.