Passing laws to limit power consumption to take some load off an already taxed grid is stupid. Yes, those screwy Europeans. Unlike in the US, Europeans actually stand up to corporate interests.
You mean stand up to American corporate interests.
The Mac Pro is a workstation with workstation power needs.
Yes, it is stupid and quite totalitarian. Even though the trend in recent years has been towards lower powered CPUs and mobile devices, if somebody wishes to buy a computer that consumes a bit more power, then nobody should be able to come along and tell them that they can't, especially not a bunch of hypocritical weenies in the EU. A Mac Pro should be damn powerful and not be constrained by any ridiculous energy requirements. If I'm laying down thousands of dollars for a Mac Pro, I demand a beast of a machine, and one that is not limited in any way.
If it is a power issue, then Apple should either halt all sales of the Mac Pro to the EU region, as there probably aren't too many pros there anyway. Or Apple can release a lower powered model for the EU region in which half of the cores are disabled.
It's supposedly a fan thing. The reason I'm confident that it's unrelated to power consumption is that it's not the most power hungry of all workstations. Sandy Bridge E machines are extremely power hungry. Anyway the focus on energy efficiency in electronics is there either way. Mobile devices have been a huge point of growth, and it is a huge factor there.
It's supposedly a fan thing. The reason I'm confident that it's unrelated to power consumption is that it's not the most power hungry of all workstations. Sandy Bridge E machines are extremely power hungry. Anyway the focus on energy efficiency in electronics is there either way. Mobile devices have been a huge point of growth, and it is a huge factor there.
We can't have anybody touching the fan blades now, can we?
If somebody is pro enough to buy a Mac Pro, you'd assume that they were also pro enough to not touch any fan blades. Maybe Apple should also put a warning label on the power contact, do not eat this cord, this cord is not meant for human consumption. Who knows what somebody might think of, without a regulation in place that would have stopped the person from eating the cord.
It does worry me somewhat that Apple may be preparing a push for smaller standard desktop components. They've already shrunk so many existing standards, from sim cards to DisplayPort, DVI, VGA, and the iPod dock. They may be engineering more compact (and costly) versions of PCI, power supply, etc.
It does worry me somewhat that Apple may be preparing a push for smaller standard desktop components. They've already shrunk so many existing standards, from sim cards to DisplayPort, DVI, VGA, and the iPod dock. They may be engineering more compact (and costly) versions of PCI, power supply, etc.
I suppose anything is possible but Apple's history with miniaturization is when it's something they can product in droves. The Mac Pro has never been no ever will be that kind product so I don't think we'll see any Apple designed PCIe slots that will result in no 3rd-party components for machine for the next Mac Pro.
I do think it ail finally get a redesign which will include a smaller, more power efficient power supply and the removal of both of the optical drives. I think we'll still see 3.5" drives but we may get mSATA on the mother board.
How is that a better alternative for those that would buy a Mac Pro.
Easier to use as cluster nodes to power stuff that has real computational needs. For everything else, the Retina MacBook Pros are just as good thanks to Thunderbolt.
[" url="/t/155739/apple-to-cease-european-mac-pro-sales-march-1-due-to-regulatory-requirements#post_2269108"]We can't have anybody touching the fan blades now, can we?
Can I s..t on it¿
What's next?
Really. As far as I know the fan hasn't changed, and even if the law did this no more for resellers seems baloney. But maybe Marvin can help out here?
Computer fans don't hurt you anyway. One way to check they're on (if they're out of sight) is just to jam your finger in there. It will catch on your finger and stop, and when you remove your finger it will start again. Harmless. I mean, I wouldn't do it with an aircraft propellor
It's kind of stupid reason, but the Europeans always have screwy laws too.
Don't go to Italy unless you have a LOT of cash in your pocket to pay for tickets driving a car.
Yeah sure. America and basically the rest of non-Europe countries have only wonderful laws that make perfect sense, due to the sense of duty that infuses the lawmakers everywhere else than in Europe.
/s
Europe actually has quite a logical body of law, per country, apart maybe for France which suffers from excessive legislation.
Really. As far as I know the fan hasn't changed, and even if the law did this no more for resellers seems baloney. But maybe Marvin can help out here?
I was going to suggest it might have been banned due to small statured politicians claiming expenses on it as a second home but the link posted above details the problem:
"At issue are the large fans within the Mac Pro. Since they are unprotected, it would be possible to touch the fan blades.
According to Apple, the new requirements necessitate fan guards and some increased protection on the ports on the electrical system."
So the good news is it's getting a redesign and Mac Pros are probably going to get pretty cheap in Europe around March 1st.
"At issue are the large fans within the Mac Pro. Since they are unprotected, it would be possible to touch the fan blades.
According to Apple, the new requirements necessitate fan guards and some increased protection on the ports on the electrical system."
So the good news is it's getting a redesign and Mac Pros are probably going to get pretty cheap in Europe around March 1st.
Ah, good to see you post.
I don't get it, how are the fans unprotected? The case is the protection, no? I've never tried to boot it up with the side panel off, don't think you can, but then again there aren't any kids around a Mac Pro in pro environments, are there?
I for one hope they stick to the same design. The outer one that is, the inside gets redesigned almost every time. Which not that many people know or see, but ok.
The new Mac Pro - a stack of Mac Minis in the Mac Pro box!
Given that the Mac Mini is somewhat rackable and the Pro is not by any easy means I think we'll end up with something more like a triple decker Mac Mini box. The two extra levels will have removable back plates to facilitate adding RAM, graphics cards etc to a system run by a Fusion drive type system. Thunderbolt will be leveraged for adding additional drives, with perhaps even Apple made hard drives with the same enclosure for both HD based drives or SSD ones. And perhaps a thunderbolt connecting SuperDrive (just to avoid having to have an adapter dongle).
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Originally Posted by TBell
Passing laws to limit power consumption to take some load off an already taxed grid is stupid.
Why not just build out more power sources?
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Originally Posted by TBell
Passing laws to limit power consumption to take some load off an already taxed grid is stupid. Yes, those screwy Europeans. Unlike in the US, Europeans actually stand up to corporate interests.
You mean stand up to American corporate interests.
The Mac Pro is a workstation with workstation power needs.
The Europeans will have to use Windows or Linux. The joke is on them.
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Originally Posted by Apple ][
Yes, it is stupid and quite totalitarian. Even though the trend in recent years has been towards lower powered CPUs and mobile devices, if somebody wishes to buy a computer that consumes a bit more power, then nobody should be able to come along and tell them that they can't, especially not a bunch of hypocritical weenies in the EU. A Mac Pro should be damn powerful and not be constrained by any ridiculous energy requirements. If I'm laying down thousands of dollars for a Mac Pro, I demand a beast of a machine, and one that is not limited in any way.
If it is a power issue, then Apple should either halt all sales of the Mac Pro to the EU region, as there probably aren't too many pros there anyway. Or Apple can release a lower powered model for the EU region in which half of the cores are disabled.
It has nothing to do with power.
http://www.macworld.co.uk/mac/news/?newsid=3423807
It's supposedly a fan thing. The reason I'm confident that it's unrelated to power consumption is that it's not the most power hungry of all workstations. Sandy Bridge E machines are extremely power hungry. Anyway the focus on energy efficiency in electronics is there either way. Mobile devices have been a huge point of growth, and it is a huge factor there.
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Originally Posted by hmm
It has nothing to do with power.
http://www.macworld.co.uk/mac/news/?newsid=3423807
It's supposedly a fan thing. The reason I'm confident that it's unrelated to power consumption is that it's not the most power hungry of all workstations. Sandy Bridge E machines are extremely power hungry. Anyway the focus on energy efficiency in electronics is there either way. Mobile devices have been a huge point of growth, and it is a huge factor there.
We can't have anybody touching the fan blades now, can we?
If somebody is pro enough to buy a Mac Pro, you'd assume that they were also pro enough to not touch any fan blades. Maybe Apple should also put a warning label on the power contact, do not eat this cord, this cord is not meant for human consumption. Who knows what somebody might think of, without a regulation in place that would have stopped the person from eating the cord.
The requirement is for additional pylons.
It does worry me somewhat that Apple may be preparing a push for smaller standard desktop components. They've already shrunk so many existing standards, from sim cards to DisplayPort, DVI, VGA, and the iPod dock. They may be engineering more compact (and costly) versions of PCI, power supply, etc.
I suppose anything is possible but Apple's history with miniaturization is when it's something they can product in droves. The Mac Pro has never been no ever will be that kind product so I don't think we'll see any Apple designed PCIe slots that will result in no 3rd-party components for machine for the next Mac Pro.
I do think it ail finally get a redesign which will include a smaller, more power efficient power supply and the removal of both of the optical drives. I think we'll still see 3.5" drives but we may get mSATA on the mother board.
How is that a better alternative for those that would buy a Mac Pro.
Easier to use as cluster nodes to power stuff that has real computational needs. For everything else, the Retina MacBook Pros are just as good thanks to Thunderbolt.
Can I s..t on it¿
What's next?
Really. As far as I know the fan hasn't changed, and even if the law did this no more for resellers seems baloney. But maybe Marvin can help out here?
PS Interesting Mac Pro thread over here
Computer fans don't hurt you anyway. One way to check they're on (if they're out of sight) is just to jam your finger in there. It will catch on your finger and stop, and when you remove your finger it will start again. Harmless. I mean, I wouldn't do it with an aircraft propellor
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Originally Posted by drblank
That's the only thing I can think of too.
It's kind of stupid reason, but the Europeans always have screwy laws too.
Don't go to Italy unless you have a LOT of cash in your pocket to pay for tickets driving a car.
Yeah sure. America and basically the rest of non-Europe countries have only wonderful laws that make perfect sense, due to the sense of duty that infuses the lawmakers everywhere else than in Europe.
/s
Europe actually has quite a logical body of law, per country, apart maybe for France which suffers from excessive legislation.
I was going to suggest it might have been banned due to small statured politicians claiming expenses on it as a second home but the link posted above details the problem:
http://www.macworld.co.uk/mac/news/?newsid=3423807
"At issue are the large fans within the Mac Pro. Since they are unprotected, it would be possible to touch the fan blades.
According to Apple, the new requirements necessitate fan guards and some increased protection on the ports on the electrical system."
So the good news is it's getting a redesign and Mac Pros are probably going to get pretty cheap in Europe around March 1st.
Ah, good to see you post.
I don't get it, how are the fans unprotected? The case is the protection, no? I've never tried to boot it up with the side panel off, don't think you can, but then again there aren't any kids around a Mac Pro in pro environments, are there?
I for one hope they stick to the same design. The outer one that is, the inside gets redesigned almost every time. Which not that many people know or see, but ok.
Originally Posted by Marvin
Since they are unprotected, it would be possible to touch the fan blades.
Uh oh! If I disassemble the cooling unit on my graphics card, there's a fan in there. A BARE FAN. I could touch it. This is horrible.
All fans must be fully encased in a single piece of molecularly-rebonded translucent plastic, just to be safe.
Given that the Mac Mini is somewhat rackable and the Pro is not by any easy means I think we'll end up with something more like a triple decker Mac Mini box. The two extra levels will have removable back plates to facilitate adding RAM, graphics cards etc to a system run by a Fusion drive type system. Thunderbolt will be leveraged for adding additional drives, with perhaps even Apple made hard drives with the same enclosure for both HD based drives or SSD ones. And perhaps a thunderbolt connecting SuperDrive (just to avoid having to have an adapter dongle).
Why?
It's a legit question. What is so unique about the Xserve, that can't be done with any existing system, that makes it so needed to bring it back.