How about sparing us the bells and whistles and just make the data accurate and put back the transit information.
You know, basic minimal 1.0 functionality?
Nothing in my area has changed since launch. Every error (and there are many and they are very major errors too), is still there despite there being thousands of people reporting the errors in the interim. Not one single error has been fixed so far as I can see.
I refuse to use Apple maps. I was traveling in Oregon to find a town and Apple Maps was off by 15 miles!
I was at the Washington Department of Licensing near Seattle and I searched "DOL" and it gave me some place in Anacortes, about 2 hours away. Inside the DOL I typed Department of Licensing and it gave me the DOL in a town 75 miles away from me.
Google Maps was spot on.
Apple: Please let us set default apps on our iPhones. I want all my searches and links to bring up Google Maps and Chrome. I want to hit a link in mail and bring up Crome. Not Safari. Same for maps. How can I delete Apple Maps and have Google as my default.
So now Apple is hiring map people? Google left them in the dust a long time ago.
2) I'd love for Apple to announce a maps.apple.com site that anyone with a modern browser can use. I understand not building for the rest of the world when HW is your product but with mapping I think we all are better off if we can use it from Macs (or whatever other OS with a modern browser).
Boom!
Apple Maps in the browser is the equivalent of iTunes on the PC!
Vector, highest-quality textures and modeling, and with all the amenities of any other platform, plus OS-level integration with just about anything you can imagine.
If you think Apple Maps is bad, try Bing for a while.
I like that. I'm going to have to use that…
Actually, I prefer Bing over Google's Maps. Bing uses data supplied by Nokia. Nokia's data might even be more accurate than Google's. It has been collecting the data longer, and it has access to the daily collected map data from UPS.
How can I delete Apple Maps and have Google as my default.
Buy an Android phone.
Honestly, for every anti-Apple mapping story you give me, I can give you ten for Google. I can't tell you how many times Google's mapping data told me to turn a left when I was supposed to turn a right. Once it took me twenty minutes out of the way and I was late for a job interview. Most recently I downloaded the Google Maps App to give it a second chance and to see if the hype lived up to reality. In the half hour test it failed miserably. First, it wasn't easy to figure out how to even start directions after doing a search from within the App. Second, it was horrible at auto correcting on the fly. Third, it forgot to tell me to get off the highway. My girlfriend had Apple's Map app going at the same time for comparison purposes. Apple's Map didn't have any problems. I also live very close to Google's Ann Arbor Michigan facility.
There is an easy test. Start with Apple maps. If it doesn't work, or if it can't find what you are searching for then switch to Google maps and see if you have better luck there. If you do and this turns out to become a daily pattern, you have proof that for you, Apple maps is far less useful than Google Maps. It's the only metric that really counts.
No, that would be an insanely stupid test.
If both platforms are 99% accurate and the errors are random, that would simply let you use Apple until the error occurred and then it would be unlikely that Google had the same error. Thus, it would look like Google was perfect and Apple Maps always failed - even if the two were equivalent.
Starting with Google Maps until it failed and then switching to Apple Maps would be equally bad.
And that doesn't even get into the issue of whether your own experience is representative of the population as a whole.
Best mapping platform? Google maps is vastly better as even Tim Cook knows. I won't be having anything to do with it until it has street view and can find addresses, any address, where I live. This won't happen for at least 10 years.
Well actually, "best mapping program on any mobile platform." And yes, it is the first and the best real mapping app. The POI/data flaws can be blamed on the backend service.
If you've ever used Google's own Maps App (for Android or iOS), you couldn't honestly say it was even half as good as Apple's own app, outside of a few server areas where Google is clearly better (primarily related to search). Nokia's iOS app is much worse; their native WiMo app might be competitive. Apple's app has always been much better, even before it came out with its own mapping service.
If you compare the overall features and data service, you can argue that you prefer one over the other, but on an app basis, Apple's is clearly better.
If both platforms are 99% accurate and the errors are random, that would simply let you use Apple until the error occurred and then it would be unlikely that Google had the same error. Thus, it would look like Google was perfect and Apple Maps always failed - even if the two were equivalent.
Starting with Google Maps until it failed and then switching to Apple Maps would be equally bad.
And that doesn't even get into the issue of whether your own experience is representative of the population as a whole.
Try again.
Exactly. It would be shocking if both platforms had errors in the exact same locations.
How is that even remotely relevant? Apple is trying to compete with the mapping services that are currently out there, not ones that existed in 2007.
The point is that this is a 1.0 service rebuilt from the ground up and no service at that point in its life is perfect. And folks need to get over thinking that just because its Apple is is somehow legally or morally required to be perfect. Particularly since, as Tim Cook pointed out, no one cut off access to dozens of other choices for information. Choices which include services that even with an almost 10 year head start are still far from perfect
Best mapping platform? Google maps is vastly better as even Tim Cook knows. I won't be having anything to do with it until it has street view and can find addresses, any address, where I live. This won't happen for at least 10 years.
Well actually, "best mapping program on any mobile platform." And yes, it is the first and the best real mapping app. The POI/data flaws can be blamed on the backend service.
If you've ever used Google's own Maps App (for Android or iOS), you couldn't honestly say it was even half as good as Apple's own app, outside of a few server areas where Google is clearly better (primarily related to search). Nokia's iOS app is much worse; their native WiMo app might be competitive. Apple's app has always been much better, even before it came out with its own mapping service.
If you compare the overall features and data service, you can argue that you prefer one over the other, but on an app basis, Apple's is clearly better.
I am as big an Apple fan as anyone... I don't usually insult people/posts... But either you are insane or stupid... You pick 'em!
I am as big an Apple fan as anyone... I don't usually insult people/posts... But either you are insane or stupid... You pick 'em!
I don't know why a personal attack is in order. His comment sounds very reasonable to me. In fact it's the same argument I made for the app itself being bett than any other platform. It's the service that is tied to the app via the backend that has been shown to be lacking.
This thread is hilarious to read. All the fanbois folding their arms and insisting, despite even Tim Cook telling them, that Apple Maps is the BEST... Pass the popcorn.
I am as big an Apple fan as anyone... I don't usually insult people/posts... But either you are insane or stupid... You pick 'em!
I don't know why a personal attack is in order. His comment sounds very reasonable to me. In fact it's the same argument I made for the app itself being bett than any other platform. It's the service that is tied to the app via the backend that has been shown to be lacking.
You are right... I should not have made a personal attack! Apple maps, IMO, is a superior implementation to other map alternatives -- and in the long run, should be best in breed. It is not there now... No matter how much we want it to be...
If both platforms are 99% accurate and the errors are random, that would simply let you use Apple until the error occurred and then it would be unlikely that Google had the same error. Thus, it would look like Google was perfect and Apple Maps always failed - even if the two were equivalent.
Starting with Google Maps until it failed and then switching to Apple Maps would be equally bad.
And that doesn't even get into the issue of whether your own experience is representative of the population as a whole.
Try again.
What kind of empirical test do you want? We could set up a website where everybody outside America in every large non-American city, or large town, or medium town, or village, or countryside posts the mistakes that Apple Maps makes compared to Google Maps, and vice versa ( if any). This would prove that x>y.
Without that immersive effort to impress a "random guy on the internet called Jragosta" I don't think you are going to accept any data you don't want to accept. In the real world I live in a river is flowing through my parents house, my apartment doesn't exist, and there are no shops within a walking distance according to Apple Maps. In reality my parents are home dry, I don't sleep on the ground, and I cross the street to a supermarket.
The plural of (one) anecdote is not data. Lots of anecdotes - effectively a number of datum points - is data.
on the other side, the rendering and software is awesome, and works like a charm offline.
What kind of empirical test do you want? We could set up a website where everybody outside America in every large non-American city, or large town, or medium town, or village, or countryside posts the mistakes that Apple Maps makes compared to Google Maps, and vice versa ( if any). This would prove that x>y.
Without that immersive effort to impress a "random guy on the internet called Jragosta" I don't think you are going to accept any data you don't want to accept. In the real world I live in a river is flowing through my parents house, my apartment doesn't exist, and there are no shops within a walking distance according to Apple Maps. In reality my parents are home dry, I don't sleep on the ground, and I cross the street to a supermarket.
The plural of (one) anecdote is not data. Lots of anecdotes - effectively a number of datum points - is data.
on the other side, the rendering and software is awesome, and works like a charm offline.
Who says I won't accept any data? I just won't accept silly anecdotes.
It's not up to me to prove that Apple Maps is good - since I've never made the claim that it's better than Google Maps. I've simply questioned all the people who claim that it stinks. If they're going to claim that it stinks, they need to provide data - or else it's just their word. We've already seen this phenomenon over and over every time someone identifies a potential problem with an Apple product. 5 people have a problem and the media turns that into the end of the world.
Lots of anecdotes are still irrelevant - unless you do several things:
1. You must make a comparison. It's funny how all the people complaining about Apple Maps bring up every case they can find where Apple Maps fails but never bring up all the cases where Google Maps fails. It's not a secret that Apple Maps fails sometimes. It's also not a secret that Google Maps fails sometimes. And Nokia Maps. And Garmin. Simply pointing out a few Apple Maps failures is pointless. Even if it was 99.99999% accurate, there would still be lots of failures.
2. The sample must be representative of the population as a whole. If I chose China as an example, Google Maps fails 100% of the time while Apple Maps does not. That makes Apple Maps infinitely better - and China is considerably larger than your neighborhood. Cherry picking locations doesn't do any good.
There have been a few attempts to do some broad based comparisons and Apple Maps looks comparable to Google Maps or better in most cases. It's really not that hard to do. Choose 10,000 locations at random from an address database and see if the two mapping programs give the correct location. So far, no one has done that.
If you're going to complain that Apple Maps stinks, it's up to you to provide some evidence to support your contention - and your anecdotes aren't evidence. Even a lot of anecdotes aren't evidence until you've met the requirements above.
BTW, for some examples, look up 'google map failures' and you'll get almost 4 million hits ('Apple map failures' gets only about 1/4 as many). So stop pretending that there aren't failures with Google Maps.
BTW, for some examples, look up 'google map failures' and you'll get almost 4 million hits ('Apple map failures' gets only about 1/4 as many). So stop pretending that there aren't failures with Google Maps.
He then went on to suggest numerous alternatives, which were - at the time ( and now, since little has been done) - clearly better. Or else why bother.
Apple reacted to this quite differently to the (largely fake) attenna gate incident, because this was a real issue. Suggesting someone else's software is an admission that yours is not as good.
Who says I won't accept any data? I just won't accept silly anecdotes.
It's not up to me to prove that Apple Maps is good - since I've never made the claim that it's better than Google Maps. I've simply questioned all the people who claim that it stinks. If they're going to claim that it stinks, they need to provide data - or else it's just their word. We've already seen this phenomenon over and over every time someone identifies a potential problem with an Apple product. 5 people have a problem and the media turns that into the end of the world.
Lots of anecdotes are still irrelevant - unless you do several things:
1. You must make a comparison. It's funny how all the people complaining about Apple Maps bring up every case they can find where Apple Maps fails but never bring up all the cases where Google Maps fails. It's not a secret that Apple Maps fails sometimes. It's also not a secret that Google Maps fails sometimes. And Nokia Maps. And Garmin. Simply pointing out a few Apple Maps failures is pointless. Even if it was 99.99999% accurate, there would still be lots of failures.[/quo
2. The sample must be representative of the population as a whole. If I chose China as an example, Google Maps fails 100% of the time while Apple Maps does not. That makes Apple Maps infinitely better - and China is considerably larger than your neighborhood. Cherry picking locations doesn't do any good.
There have been a few attempts to do some broad based comparisons and Apple Maps looks comparable to Google Maps or better in most cases. It's really not that hard to do. Choose 10,000 locations at random from an address database and see if the two mapping programs give the correct location. So far, no one has done that.
If you're going to complain that Apple Maps stinks, it's up to you to provide some evidence to support your contention - and your anecdotes aren't evidence. Even a lot of anecdotes aren't evidence until you've met the requirements above.
BTW, for some examples, look up 'google map failures' and you'll get almost 4 million hits ('Apple map failures' gets only about 1/4 as many). So stop pretending that there aren't failures with Google Maps.
1) It isn't that funny. I rarely find that Google Maps fails, and Apple Maps fails epically.
2) You seem to "know" about China what you won't accept about Europe. Apple is definitely better in China and there are no equivocations. Google can't be considered better in Europe because thats all anecdotal.
As for the 10,000 data points, I obviously can't do that. If I could look at 10,000 randomly chosen spots on Google Maps and then on Apple Maps, and tell which is accurate, I would be earning a million a year at either company as the Great Map Memory guy. I had previously suggested a website where people posted their impressions, but suggested that I didn't think I would expend the effort to impress "random guy called Jragosta" on the internet. At any rate, you would certainly dismiss this as a "lot of anecdotal evidence" ( I quote), as people complaining about Apple Maps are telling anecdotes, but people complaining about google maps are providing data ( on that note you get more search results for Google Maps failures because it is on all desktops, tablets and devices).
Lets agree this; every person dis-satisfied with Apple Maps is an iPhone user. Not "fan boys" but fans, consumers. They can't all be google shrills. There must be some truth to this, conspiracies be-damned.
Lastly, I don't feel I have to "stop pretending that there aren't failures with Google Maps." since I never did pretend anything about Goggle Maps. I didn't mention Google maps in my posts. Thats a straw man you want to fight but do so on your own.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
How about sparing us the bells and whistles and just make the data accurate and put back the transit information.
You know, basic minimal 1.0 functionality?
Nothing in my area has changed since launch. Every error (and there are many and they are very major errors too), is still there despite there being thousands of people reporting the errors in the interim. Not one single error has been fixed so far as I can see.
I refuse to use Apple maps. I was traveling in Oregon to find a town and Apple Maps was off by 15 miles!
I was at the Washington Department of Licensing near Seattle and I searched "DOL" and it gave me some place in Anacortes, about 2 hours away. Inside the DOL I typed Department of Licensing and it gave me the DOL in a town 75 miles away from me.
Google Maps was spot on.
Apple: Please let us set default apps on our iPhones. I want all my searches and links to bring up Google Maps and Chrome. I want to hit a link in mail and bring up Crome. Not Safari. Same for maps. How can I delete Apple Maps and have Google as my default.
So now Apple is hiring map people? Google left them in the dust a long time ago.
Every time I travel to Oregon I die of dysentery.
Originally Posted by pfisher
Google left them in the dust a long time ago.
Apple didn't have maps until last year. GOOGLE MUST HAVE LEFT THEM IN THE DUST LONG AGO, HUH. Or maybe that's not an applicable phrase to use.
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
2) I'd love for Apple to announce a maps.apple.com site that anyone with a modern browser can use. I understand not building for the rest of the world when HW is your product but with mapping I think we all are better off if we can use it from Macs (or whatever other OS with a modern browser).
Boom!
Apple Maps in the browser is the equivalent of iTunes on the PC!
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
Vector, highest-quality textures and modeling, and with all the amenities of any other platform, plus OS-level integration with just about anything you can imagine.
If you think Apple Maps is bad, try Bing for a while.
I like that. I'm going to have to use that…
Actually, I prefer Bing over Google's Maps. Bing uses data supplied by Nokia. Nokia's data might even be more accurate than Google's. It has been collecting the data longer, and it has access to the daily collected map data from UPS.
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Originally Posted by pfisher
How can I delete Apple Maps and have Google as my default.
Buy an Android phone.
Honestly, for every anti-Apple mapping story you give me, I can give you ten for Google. I can't tell you how many times Google's mapping data told me to turn a left when I was supposed to turn a right. Once it took me twenty minutes out of the way and I was late for a job interview. Most recently I downloaded the Google Maps App to give it a second chance and to see if the hype lived up to reality. In the half hour test it failed miserably. First, it wasn't easy to figure out how to even start directions after doing a search from within the App. Second, it was horrible at auto correcting on the fly. Third, it forgot to tell me to get off the highway. My girlfriend had Apple's Map app going at the same time for comparison purposes. Apple's Map didn't have any problems. I also live very close to Google's Ann Arbor Michigan facility.
No, that would be an insanely stupid test.
If both platforms are 99% accurate and the errors are random, that would simply let you use Apple until the error occurred and then it would be unlikely that Google had the same error. Thus, it would look like Google was perfect and Apple Maps always failed - even if the two were equivalent.
Starting with Google Maps until it failed and then switching to Apple Maps would be equally bad.
And that doesn't even get into the issue of whether your own experience is representative of the population as a whole.
Try again.
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Originally Posted by Lerxt
Best mapping platform? Google maps is vastly better as even Tim Cook knows. I won't be having anything to do with it until it has street view and can find addresses, any address, where I live. This won't happen for at least 10 years.
Well actually, "best mapping program on any mobile platform." And yes, it is the first and the best real mapping app. The POI/data flaws can be blamed on the backend service.
If you've ever used Google's own Maps App (for Android or iOS), you couldn't honestly say it was even half as good as Apple's own app, outside of a few server areas where Google is clearly better (primarily related to search). Nokia's iOS app is much worse; their native WiMo app might be competitive. Apple's app has always been much better, even before it came out with its own mapping service.
If you compare the overall features and data service, you can argue that you prefer one over the other, but on an app basis, Apple's is clearly better.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
No, that would be an insanely stupid test.
If both platforms are 99% accurate and the errors are random, that would simply let you use Apple until the error occurred and then it would be unlikely that Google had the same error. Thus, it would look like Google was perfect and Apple Maps always failed - even if the two were equivalent.
Starting with Google Maps until it failed and then switching to Apple Maps would be equally bad.
And that doesn't even get into the issue of whether your own experience is representative of the population as a whole.
Try again.
Exactly. It would be shocking if both platforms had errors in the exact same locations.
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Originally Posted by Freshmaker
How is that even remotely relevant? Apple is trying to compete with the mapping services that are currently out there, not ones that existed in 2007.
The point is that this is a 1.0 service rebuilt from the ground up and no service at that point in its life is perfect. And folks need to get over thinking that just because its Apple is is somehow legally or morally required to be perfect. Particularly since, as Tim Cook pointed out, no one cut off access to dozens of other choices for information. Choices which include services that even with an almost 10 year head start are still far from perfect
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Originally Posted by SolipsismX
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Originally Posted by pfisher
I refuse to use Apple maps. I was traveling in Oregon to find a town and Apple Maps was off by 15 miles!
Every time I travel to Oregon I die of dysentery.
Actually, the maps in Oregon are off about 50 Miles to the left!
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Originally Posted by Lerxt
Best mapping platform? Google maps is vastly better as even Tim Cook knows. I won't be having anything to do with it until it has street view and can find addresses, any address, where I live. This won't happen for at least 10 years.
Well actually, "best mapping program on any mobile platform." And yes, it is the first and the best real mapping app. The POI/data flaws can be blamed on the backend service.
If you've ever used Google's own Maps App (for Android or iOS), you couldn't honestly say it was even half as good as Apple's own app, outside of a few server areas where Google is clearly better (primarily related to search). Nokia's iOS app is much worse; their native WiMo app might be competitive. Apple's app has always been much better, even before it came out with its own mapping service.
If you compare the overall features and data service, you can argue that you prefer one over the other, but on an app basis, Apple's is clearly better.
I am as big an Apple fan as anyone... I don't usually insult people/posts... But either you are insane or stupid... You pick 'em!
I don't know why a personal attack is in order. His comment sounds very reasonable to me. In fact it's the same argument I made for the app itself being bett than any other platform. It's the service that is tied to the app via the backend that has been shown to be lacking.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
I am as big an Apple fan as anyone... I don't usually insult people/posts... But either you are insane or stupid... You pick 'em!
I don't know why a personal attack is in order. His comment sounds very reasonable to me. In fact it's the same argument I made for the app itself being bett than any other platform. It's the service that is tied to the app via the backend that has been shown to be lacking.
You are right... I should not have made a personal attack! Apple maps, IMO, is a superior implementation to other map alternatives -- and in the long run, should be best in breed. It is not there now... No matter how much we want it to be...
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Originally Posted by jragosta
No, that would be an insanely stupid test.
If both platforms are 99% accurate and the errors are random, that would simply let you use Apple until the error occurred and then it would be unlikely that Google had the same error. Thus, it would look like Google was perfect and Apple Maps always failed - even if the two were equivalent.
Starting with Google Maps until it failed and then switching to Apple Maps would be equally bad.
And that doesn't even get into the issue of whether your own experience is representative of the population as a whole.
Try again.
What kind of empirical test do you want? We could set up a website where everybody outside America in every large non-American city, or large town, or medium town, or village, or countryside posts the mistakes that Apple Maps makes compared to Google Maps, and vice versa ( if any). This would prove that x>y.
Without that immersive effort to impress a "random guy on the internet called Jragosta" I don't think you are going to accept any data you don't want to accept. In the real world I live in a river is flowing through my parents house, my apartment doesn't exist, and there are no shops within a walking distance according to Apple Maps. In reality my parents are home dry, I don't sleep on the ground, and I cross the street to a supermarket.
The plural of (one) anecdote is not data. Lots of anecdotes - effectively a number of datum points - is data.
on the other side, the rendering and software is awesome, and works like a charm offline.
Who says I won't accept any data? I just won't accept silly anecdotes.
It's not up to me to prove that Apple Maps is good - since I've never made the claim that it's better than Google Maps. I've simply questioned all the people who claim that it stinks. If they're going to claim that it stinks, they need to provide data - or else it's just their word. We've already seen this phenomenon over and over every time someone identifies a potential problem with an Apple product. 5 people have a problem and the media turns that into the end of the world.
Lots of anecdotes are still irrelevant - unless you do several things:
1. You must make a comparison. It's funny how all the people complaining about Apple Maps bring up every case they can find where Apple Maps fails but never bring up all the cases where Google Maps fails. It's not a secret that Apple Maps fails sometimes. It's also not a secret that Google Maps fails sometimes. And Nokia Maps. And Garmin. Simply pointing out a few Apple Maps failures is pointless. Even if it was 99.99999% accurate, there would still be lots of failures.
2. The sample must be representative of the population as a whole. If I chose China as an example, Google Maps fails 100% of the time while Apple Maps does not. That makes Apple Maps infinitely better - and China is considerably larger than your neighborhood. Cherry picking locations doesn't do any good.
There have been a few attempts to do some broad based comparisons and Apple Maps looks comparable to Google Maps or better in most cases. It's really not that hard to do. Choose 10,000 locations at random from an address database and see if the two mapping programs give the correct location. So far, no one has done that.
If you're going to complain that Apple Maps stinks, it's up to you to provide some evidence to support your contention - and your anecdotes aren't evidence. Even a lot of anecdotes aren't evidence until you've met the requirements above.
BTW, for some examples, look up 'google map failures' and you'll get almost 4 million hits ('Apple map failures' gets only about 1/4 as many). So stop pretending that there aren't failures with Google Maps.
Originally Posted by jragosta
BTW, for some examples, look up 'google map failures' and you'll get almost 4 million hits ('Apple map failures' gets only about 1/4 as many). So stop pretending that there aren't failures with Google Maps.
He then went on to suggest numerous alternatives, which were - at the time ( and now, since little has been done) - clearly better. Or else why bother.
Apple reacted to this quite differently to the (largely fake) attenna gate incident, because this was a real issue. Suggesting someone else's software is an admission that yours is not as good.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Who says I won't accept any data? I just won't accept silly anecdotes.
It's not up to me to prove that Apple Maps is good - since I've never made the claim that it's better than Google Maps. I've simply questioned all the people who claim that it stinks. If they're going to claim that it stinks, they need to provide data - or else it's just their word. We've already seen this phenomenon over and over every time someone identifies a potential problem with an Apple product. 5 people have a problem and the media turns that into the end of the world.
Lots of anecdotes are still irrelevant - unless you do several things:
1. You must make a comparison. It's funny how all the people complaining about Apple Maps bring up every case they can find where Apple Maps fails but never bring up all the cases where Google Maps fails. It's not a secret that Apple Maps fails sometimes. It's also not a secret that Google Maps fails sometimes. And Nokia Maps. And Garmin. Simply pointing out a few Apple Maps failures is pointless. Even if it was 99.99999% accurate, there would still be lots of failures.[/quo
2. The sample must be representative of the population as a whole. If I chose China as an example, Google Maps fails 100% of the time while Apple Maps does not. That makes Apple Maps infinitely better - and China is considerably larger than your neighborhood. Cherry picking locations doesn't do any good.
There have been a few attempts to do some broad based comparisons and Apple Maps looks comparable to Google Maps or better in most cases. It's really not that hard to do. Choose 10,000 locations at random from an address database and see if the two mapping programs give the correct location. So far, no one has done that.
If you're going to complain that Apple Maps stinks, it's up to you to provide some evidence to support your contention - and your anecdotes aren't evidence. Even a lot of anecdotes aren't evidence until you've met the requirements above.
BTW, for some examples, look up 'google map failures' and you'll get almost 4 million hits ('Apple map failures' gets only about 1/4 as many). So stop pretending that there aren't failures with Google Maps.
1) It isn't that funny. I rarely find that Google Maps fails, and Apple Maps fails epically.
2) You seem to "know" about China what you won't accept about Europe. Apple is definitely better in China and there are no equivocations. Google can't be considered better in Europe because thats all anecdotal.
As for the 10,000 data points, I obviously can't do that. If I could look at 10,000 randomly chosen spots on Google Maps and then on Apple Maps, and tell which is accurate, I would be earning a million a year at either company as the Great Map Memory guy. I had previously suggested a website where people posted their impressions, but suggested that I didn't think I would expend the effort to impress "random guy called Jragosta" on the internet. At any rate, you would certainly dismiss this as a "lot of anecdotal evidence" ( I quote), as people complaining about Apple Maps are telling anecdotes, but people complaining about google maps are providing data ( on that note you get more search results for Google Maps failures because it is on all desktops, tablets and devices).
Lets agree this; every person dis-satisfied with Apple Maps is an iPhone user. Not "fan boys" but fans, consumers. They can't all be google shrills. There must be some truth to this, conspiracies be-damned.
Lastly, I don't feel I have to "stop pretending that there aren't failures with Google Maps." since I never did pretend anything about Goggle Maps. I didn't mention Google maps in my posts. Thats a straw man you want to fight but do so on your own.