[quote name="Tallest Skil" url="/t/155897/apple-believed-to-rake-in-over-1-billion-yearly-from-google-search-referrals#post_2275201"] Why? What did Google [I]Search[/I] steal from Apple? [/qUOTE]
Nothing, that's not the point. They, google, hold true to everything I am against. It's that simple, so I do not trust them. I think the reasons why have been discussed here many times. What will you do, if someday, google forced you to have an account before you can use their search engine? Would you still use it?
If Mozilla rakes in $300 million per year by simply having Google as a default setting, why are they discontinuing Thunderbird? It would seem that they have cash-o-plenty to support that great mail client.
Nothing, that's not the point.
They, google, hold true to everything I am against. It's that simple, so I do not trust them.
I think the reasons why have been discussed here many times.
What will you do, if someday, google forced you to have an account before you can use their search engine? Would you still use it?
They, google, hold true to everything I am against. It's that simple, so I do not trust them.
I think the reasons why have been discussed here many times.
What will you do, if someday, google forced you to have an account before you can use their search engine? Would you still use it?
10's of millions of people have accounts with Google, even tho they're not for forced to. Others benefit from using their outstanding search features without even being "identifiable". You can use their services, take advantage of the value of their products, and pay absolutely nothing to do so. They don't require a credit card.
I've never understood the irrational fear of seeing an ad for something you might really have an interest in. That's all Google does isn't it? To pay for your "free search" they give companies (like Apple) a way to pay to get their products in front of people that have shown an interest in something at least similar if not a perfect match. Somehow that's evil? If not then what is it they are doing to you to be "everything you are against"?
Apple doesn't have any problem with Google being the default search provider for their users (it comes pre-installed!) and you trust Apple to do what's best for you don't you? Afterall, if Google was truly evil then wouldn't that make Apple evil too for taking "30 pieces of silver" they don't even need just to sell you out to Google's devious schemes?
They, google, hold true to everything I am against. It's that simple, so I do not trust them.
I think the reasons why have been discussed here many times.
What will you do, if someday, google forced you to have an account before you can use their search engine? Would you still use it?
Apple forces you to have an account before using your iPhone. Instead of just requiring an email address to give it to you, you have to give them a ton of information. Credit cards etc. They track everything you do. They don't advertise to you, but they sell your anonymous info to anyone who wants it. It's your IDFA on the iPhone and you can't disable it. It's not any different from what Google does, except you don't have the option of opting out. I say whats the big deal.
That's lends credence to my post. Google will still let you access their wide range of valuable services while avoiding giving anything in return. Just add "do-not-track" plug-in's to your browser. Even Google offers them. Hardly evil.
But that still won't keep sites such as AI and millions of others from harvesting and monetizing user data. There's a whole lot of cookies being placed here and everywhere that have nothing to do with Google.
Just add "do-not-track" plug-in's to your browser. Even Google offers them. Hardly evil.
The question then becomes whether this should have to happen at all. The situation in which a consumer is being placed here feels sort of like the… fundamental mindset behind "innocent until proven guilty", except using different words, of course. I'm trying to think of what those would be.
I already don't! But I can imagine tens of millions of others will also flee to different browsers at that time.
Indeed, but it's probably not enough on its own.
The question then becomes whether this should have to happen at all. The situation in which a consumer is being placed here feels sort of like the… fundamental mindset behind "innocent until proven guilty", except using different words, of course. I'm trying to think of what those would be.
It's not Google making a stink about "do-not-track" efforts. It's the advertisers and website admins themselves.
Couple that with "What does Do-Not-Track really mean?" If you're a website operator it may mean something different than what you as a visitor had in mind.
That's lends credence to my post. Google will still let you access their wide range of valuable services while avoiding giving anything in return. Just add "do-not-track" plug-in's to your browser. Even Google offers them. Hardly evil.
Yeah, too bad Google doesn't understand what "do not track" means.
Interesting article to pick as a reference. It ends with this comment:
"Let's step back a second here and ask: why do you think Apple has made it impossible for advertising-driven companies like Google to execute what are industry standard practices on the open web?" author John Battelle, who founded an ad network and wrote a book about Google, wrote in a blog post.
"Do you think it's because Apple cares deeply about your privacy? Really?" Battelle asked. "Or perhaps it's because Apple considers anyone using iOS, even if they're browsing the web, as 'Apple's customer,' and wants to throttle potential competitors."
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Originally Posted by hfts
If thermonuclear means google to remain as one of the default search engines on iDevices, then we have an extreme case of a contradiction.
Why? What did Google Search steal from Apple?
Why? What did Google [I]Search[/I] steal from Apple?
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Nothing, that's not the point.
They, google, hold true to everything I am against. It's that simple, so I do not trust them.
I think the reasons why have been discussed here many times.
What will you do, if someday, google forced you to have an account before you can use their search engine? Would you still use it?
Nothing, that's not the point.
They, google, hold true to everything I am against. It's that simple, so I do not trust them.
I think the reasons why have been discussed here many times.
What will you do, if someday, google forced you to have an account before you can use their search engine? Would you still use it?
I'm pretty sure Microsoft would pay way more than $1 billion.
They paid that massive sucker price for Skype, after all.
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Originally Posted by hfts
Nothing, that's not the point.
They, google, hold true to everything I am against. It's that simple, so I do not trust them.
I think the reasons why have been discussed here many times.
What will you do, if someday, google forced you to have an account before you can use their search engine? Would you still use it?
10's of millions of people have accounts with Google, even tho they're not for forced to. Others benefit from using their outstanding search features without even being "identifiable". You can use their services, take advantage of the value of their products, and pay absolutely nothing to do so. They don't require a credit card.
I've never understood the irrational fear of seeing an ad for something you might really have an interest in. That's all Google does isn't it? To pay for your "free search" they give companies (like Apple) a way to pay to get their products in front of people that have shown an interest in something at least similar if not a perfect match. Somehow that's evil? If not then what is it they are doing to you to be "everything you are against"?
Apple doesn't have any problem with Google being the default search provider for their users (it comes pre-installed!) and you trust Apple to do what's best for you don't you? Afterall, if Google was truly evil then wouldn't that make Apple evil too for taking "30 pieces of silver" they don't even need just to sell you out to Google's devious schemes?
http://donttrack.us/
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Originally Posted by hfts
Nothing, that's not the point.
They, google, hold true to everything I am against. It's that simple, so I do not trust them.
I think the reasons why have been discussed here many times.
What will you do, if someday, google forced you to have an account before you can use their search engine? Would you still use it?
Apple forces you to have an account before using your iPhone. Instead of just requiring an email address to give it to you, you have to give them a ton of information. Credit cards etc. They track everything you do. They don't advertise to you, but they sell your anonymous info to anyone who wants it. It's your IDFA on the iPhone and you can't disable it. It's not any different from what Google does, except you don't have the option of opting out. I say whats the big deal.
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Originally Posted by dav
That's lends credence to my post. Google will still let you access their wide range of valuable services while avoiding giving anything in return. Just add "do-not-track" plug-in's to your browser. Even Google offers them. Hardly evil.
But that still won't keep sites such as AI and millions of others from harvesting and monetizing user data. There's a whole lot of cookies being placed here and everywhere that have nothing to do with Google.
http://www.zdnet.com/googles-chrome-finally-embraces-do-not-track-but-with-a-warning-7000007022/
Originally Posted by hfts
What will you do, if someday, google forced you to have an account before you can use their search engine? Would you still use it?
I already don't! But I can imagine tens of millions of others will also flee to different browsers at that time.
Originally Posted by dav
http://donttrack.us/
Indeed, but it's probably not enough on its own.
Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Just add "do-not-track" plug-in's to your browser. Even Google offers them. Hardly evil.
The question then becomes whether this should have to happen at all. The situation in which a consumer is being placed here feels sort of like the… fundamental mindset behind "innocent until proven guilty", except using different words, of course. I'm trying to think of what those would be.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil
I already don't! But I can imagine tens of millions of others will also flee to different browsers at that time.
Indeed, but it's probably not enough on its own.
The question then becomes whether this should have to happen at all. The situation in which a consumer is being placed here feels sort of like the… fundamental mindset behind "innocent until proven guilty", except using different words, of course. I'm trying to think of what those would be.
It's not Google making a stink about "do-not-track" efforts. It's the advertisers and website admins themselves.
http://phys.org/news/2012-11-track-privacy-effort-crossroads.html
Couple that with "What does Do-Not-Track really mean?" If you're a website operator it may mean something different than what you as a visitor had in mind.
http://adage.com/article/guest-columnists/track-online/234559/
Yeah, too bad Google doesn't understand what "do not track" means.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/17/technology/google_tracking_safari/index.htm
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Yeah, too bad Google doesn't understand what "do not track" means.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/17/technology/google_tracking_safari/index.htm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jragosta
Yeah, too bad Google doesn't understand what "do not track" means.
http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/17/technology/google_tracking_safari/index.htm
Interesting article to pick as a reference. It ends with this comment:
"Let's step back a second here and ask: why do you think Apple has made it impossible for advertising-driven companies like Google to execute what are industry standard practices on the open web?" author John Battelle, who founded an ad network and wrote a book about Google, wrote in a blog post.
"Do you think it's because Apple cares deeply about your privacy? Really?" Battelle asked. "Or perhaps it's because Apple considers anyone using iOS, even if they're browsing the web, as 'Apple's customer,' and wants to throttle potential competitors."