I continue to love the new Maps application (ignoring the data behind it), and continue to think the maps are easier to read. I love the turn by turn as well.
Flyover for me is a gimmick and I don't really care what they do with it. I thought the same of Street View.
Where Maps constantly falls down though is search. It consistently fails to find things that Google Maps locates no problem. I'm not out in the middle of nowhere either - it fails in the Bay Area. If they fix that, Google Maps will be deleted from my iPhone.
Apple's search algorithm is too precise -- too fussy with spelling, phonetics, and punctuation and usually ignores context (recent searches, nearby, most likely...).
If I am in San Francisco (CA):
and search for Pasadena -- likely, I am looking for Pasadena, CA -- not Pasadena, TX.... Currently it asks you which.
and for St Peters -- the current maps app takes you to Saint Peters, MO. The beta takes you to Rome (but not the Cathedral) -- close but no cigar.
To me, 3D Flyover offers a great potential -- especially on an iPad or a Mac.
Then, there is the whole PushPin demographic mapping/programming capability (APIs and data sources) that Apple got when they acquired PlaceBase. This has fantastic potential for apps such as: real estate; site selection; political analysis/campaigns; marketing analysis/campaigns...
One example of what this team is working on is this:
Read carefully, the following section... When this law firm wants to present a "demand" to opposing lawyers -- it just loads all the data on an iPad and sends them the iPad... Settling the "demand" is the "end" result desired -- the iPad is the "means" -- the iPad is expendable!
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Fennemore Craig also uses iPad to present "video demand packages" that outline the facts of a case to opposing attorneys, mediators, and other decision-makers in legal negotiations. Fennemore Craig creates these presentations in-house, combining video interviews, photos and diagrams of locations and incidents, explanations from expert witnesses, and computer generated imagery (CGI) to build a compelling picture of the events in question.
"Historically we would send a written document to opposing lawyers or insurance adjusters to try to get a matter resolved," Lamber says. "But as artful as you can be with the written word, it can never communicate the whole story as effectively as we can with the iPad. It's a window to the case. It’s a direct view."
Before iPad, this transmission of information wasn't as practical or reliable. Sending the documents from their computer would oftentimes result in incompatibilities and technical support issues. Using iPad to deliver this information now ensures that the message is received as precisely as intended. "They get an iPad, turn it on, and it instantly works," says Andrew Clawson, a litigation specialist at Fennemore Craig. "The video plays, the documents open. When we send an iPad, we don’t have to worry — we know our message is going to get delivered."
As a result of their innovative iPad-based video demands, lawyers in Fennemore Craig's personal injury group are able to settle disputes more quickly for their clients. "I would say the iPad is absolutely helping us win cases, and settle cases so our clients get the outcomes they deserve, and get back to their day-to-day activities as quickly as possible," Goodnow says.
"We're using iPad to present information and evidence in a concise, powerful, real, and honest way," Lamber says. "That gives us the ultimate competitive advantage, empowers us to represent our clients in a manner better than we could have before, and as a result, we can assist more clients."
This got me thinking about other uses where the "end" could justify the "iPad means"...
Some hotels now furnish iPads with every room -- and very few are damaged, lost or stolen... What if the iPads were preloaded (in addition to the hotel information) with ads, maps, coupons, tickets, services, tours, itineraries, shops, restaurants -- all paid for by the participating organizations... The hotel give the iPads away and still make money on the ads and referrals.
A "coupon" book with [paid for] targeted ads for products and services in the hands of a qualified customer (has the inclination and the money to spend) who is the target audience.
I suspect that this use could easily justify giving the $329 plus iPad to the customer.
With a little thought, there are lots of uses that may qualify...
Flyover show users nothing useful. Streetview is essential if Apple want to suceed in mapping. Also labeling buildings and locations correctly. They are still 10 years behind in this.
Flyover show users nothing useful. Streetview is essential if Apple want to suceed in mapping. Also labeling buildings and locations correctly. They are still 10 years behind in this.
Apple will never, ever do streetview- nor should they. It's an unimaginable amount of work, and providing updates is next to impossible. Flyover is superior in many ways, in terms of flexibility/ability to update the imagery, and although it's not there yet, I believe it has massive potential and definitively the smarter initiative to invest in. Streetview can be useful, but it's janky, disconnected, and more importantly, updating it is near impossible and cost-prohibitive. How many times you think Google is going to drive down every street in the world? Imagine updating an entire CITY for streetview. At least doing this with flyover is possible.
Flyover show users nothing useful. Streetview is essential if Apple want to suceed in mapping. Also labeling buildings and locations correctly. They are still 10 years behind in this.
Where there is no street -- there is no StreetView!
Flyover show users nothing useful. Streetview is essential if Apple want to suceed in mapping. Also labeling buildings and locations correctly. They are still 10 years behind in this.
Essential to you maybe. I have never used it other then to see what it is about and I am getting by. For most people it is a gimmick like Flyover. Flyover also does the same thing although the angle is different.
You know the sad thing is that this picture of hoover dam keeps getting used as an example of apple maps failure, but its been corrected months ago as well as the san francisco bridge and tons of others. nothing to look at here move on.
Both Streetview and Flyover have their strong points.
Strange examples; I see a street on all those images, accessible by car or bike. Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam would be a better one, IMO. Click on the link, and then zoom in.
I continue to love the new Maps application (ignoring the data behind it), and continue to think the maps are easier to read. I love the turn by turn as well.
Flyover for me is a gimmick and I don't really care what they do with it. I thought the same of Street View.
Where Maps constantly falls down though is search. It consistently fails to find things that Google Maps locates no problem. I'm not out in the middle of nowhere either - it fails in the Bay Area. If they fix that, Google Maps will be deleted from my iPhone.
Total agreement. Flyover is the kind of thing that I've looked at maybe 3 or 4 times on my iPad. It's impressive what they've accomplished, but I just find no practical use for it whatsoever. Perhaps other users find otherwise. But for me I'd have no problem if they eventually send Flyover the same direction they did for Ping...
I find continued frustration with Apple Maps for local business data, and I've used it extensively. It feels like almost nothing that I search for comes back accurately (incomplete phone numbers, pins at wrong locations, finds a location miles away when there is one only a few blocks away, etc). I've used it a lot and, at least for me where I live, it's basically useless for finding business information. Good for directions though. I know other users have found it nearly flawless for their local business info so obviously the experience is highly dependent on user location etc.
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That'll be fixed in 2016 when Campus 2 is in use. Or at least I presume they'll change the icon then.
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Originally Posted by PaulMJohnson
I continue to love the new Maps application (ignoring the data behind it), and continue to think the maps are easier to read. I love the turn by turn as well.
Flyover for me is a gimmick and I don't really care what they do with it. I thought the same of Street View.
Where Maps constantly falls down though is search. It consistently fails to find things that Google Maps locates no problem. I'm not out in the middle of nowhere either - it fails in the Bay Area. If they fix that, Google Maps will be deleted from my iPhone.
Apple's search algorithm is too precise -- too fussy with spelling, phonetics, and punctuation and usually ignores context (recent searches, nearby, most likely...).
If I am in San Francisco (CA):
and search for Pasadena -- likely, I am looking for Pasadena, CA -- not Pasadena, TX.... Currently it asks you which.
and for St Peters -- the current maps app takes you to Saint Peters, MO. The beta takes you to Rome (but not the Cathedral) -- close but no cigar.
To me, 3D Flyover offers a great potential -- especially on an iPad or a Mac.
Then, there is the whole PushPin demographic mapping/programming capability (APIs and data sources) that Apple got when they acquired PlaceBase. This has fantastic potential for apps such as: real estate; site selection; political analysis/campaigns; marketing analysis/campaigns...
One example of what this team is working on is this:
Placebase team at Apple file “Schematic Maps” patent dynamically detailing important data
Ya' know...
There are certain use cases -- where the end [more than] justifies the means.
Through Patently Apple, I just read an article where the iPad is starting to revolutionize how lawyers do their lawyering...
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/02/morgan-stanley-believes-in-iphone-mini-htc-launches-sexy-metallic-smartphone-and-a-look-at-a-legal-firm-using-ipad.html#more
http://www.apple.com/ipad/business/profiles/fennemore-craig/
The article is a great read...
Read carefully, the following section... When this law firm wants to present a "demand" to opposing lawyers -- it just loads all the data on an iPad and sends them the iPad... Settling the "demand" is the "end" result desired -- the iPad is the "means" -- the iPad is expendable!
Quote:
Worth a Thousand Words
Fennemore Craig also uses iPad to present "video demand packages" that outline the facts of a case to opposing attorneys, mediators, and other decision-makers in legal negotiations. Fennemore Craig creates these presentations in-house, combining video interviews, photos and diagrams of locations and incidents, explanations from expert witnesses, and computer generated imagery (CGI) to build a compelling picture of the events in question.
"Historically we would send a written document to opposing lawyers or insurance adjusters to try to get a matter resolved," Lamber says. "But as artful as you can be with the written word, it can never communicate the whole story as effectively as we can with the iPad. It's a window to the case. It’s a direct view."
Before iPad, this transmission of information wasn't as practical or reliable. Sending the documents from their computer would oftentimes result in incompatibilities and technical support issues. Using iPad to deliver this information now ensures that the message is received as precisely as intended. "They get an iPad, turn it on, and it instantly works," says Andrew Clawson, a litigation specialist at Fennemore Craig. "The video plays, the documents open. When we send an iPad, we don’t have to worry — we know our message is going to get delivered."
As a result of their innovative iPad-based video demands, lawyers in Fennemore Craig's personal injury group are able to settle disputes more quickly for their clients. "I would say the iPad is absolutely helping us win cases, and settle cases so our clients get the outcomes they deserve, and get back to their day-to-day activities as quickly as possible," Goodnow says.
"We're using iPad to present information and evidence in a concise, powerful, real, and honest way," Lamber says. "That gives us the ultimate competitive advantage, empowers us to represent our clients in a manner better than we could have before, and as a result, we can assist more clients."
This got me thinking about other uses where the "end" could justify the "iPad means"...
Some hotels now furnish iPads with every room -- and very few are damaged, lost or stolen... What if the iPads were preloaded (in addition to the hotel information) with ads, maps, coupons, tickets, services, tours, itineraries, shops, restaurants -- all paid for by the participating organizations... The hotel give the iPads away and still make money on the ads and referrals.
A "coupon" book with [paid for] targeted ads for products and services in the hands of a qualified customer (has the inclination and the money to spend) who is the target audience.
I suspect that this use could easily justify giving the $329 plus iPad to the customer.
With a little thought, there are lots of uses that may qualify...
Originally Posted by Lerxt
Flyover show users nothing useful.
Sure it doesn't.
Streetview is essential if Apple want to suceed in mapping.
Not in the slightest.
Also labeling buildings and locations correctly.
Might want to tell that to Google, too.
They are still 10 years behind in this.
Nope.
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Originally Posted by Lerxt
Flyover show users nothing useful. Streetview is essential if Apple want to suceed in mapping. Also labeling buildings and locations correctly. They are still 10 years behind in this.
Apple will never, ever do streetview- nor should they. It's an unimaginable amount of work, and providing updates is next to impossible. Flyover is superior in many ways, in terms of flexibility/ability to update the imagery, and although it's not there yet, I believe it has massive potential and definitively the smarter initiative to invest in. Streetview can be useful, but it's janky, disconnected, and more importantly, updating it is near impossible and cost-prohibitive. How many times you think Google is going to drive down every street in the world? Imagine updating an entire CITY for streetview. At least doing this with flyover is possible.
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Originally Posted by Lerxt
Flyover show users nothing useful. Streetview is essential if Apple want to suceed in mapping. Also labeling buildings and locations correctly. They are still 10 years behind in this.
Where there is no street -- there is no StreetView!
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum
Where there is no street -- there is no StreetView!
That might seem correct, but it's not. Streetview goes a lot of places where no streets do.
http://www.google.com/help/maps/streetview/gallery/seven-continents-of-street-view/esplanade-theatres-on-the-bay.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/google-street-view-begins-mapping-grand-canyon-article-1.1190915
Both Streetview and Flyover have their strong points.
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Originally Posted by Lerxt
Flyover show users nothing useful. Streetview is essential if Apple want to suceed in mapping. Also labeling buildings and locations correctly. They are still 10 years behind in this.
Essential to you maybe. I have never used it other then to see what it is about and I am getting by. For most people it is a gimmick like Flyover. Flyover also does the same thing although the angle is different.
Strange examples; I see a street on all those images, accessible by car or bike. Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam would be a better one, IMO. Click on the link, and then zoom in.
Total agreement. Flyover is the kind of thing that I've looked at maybe 3 or 4 times on my iPad. It's impressive what they've accomplished, but I just find no practical use for it whatsoever. Perhaps other users find otherwise. But for me I'd have no problem if they eventually send Flyover the same direction they did for Ping...
I find continued frustration with Apple Maps for local business data, and I've used it extensively. It feels like almost nothing that I search for comes back accurately (incomplete phone numbers, pins at wrong locations, finds a location miles away when there is one only a few blocks away, etc). I've used it a lot and, at least for me where I live, it's basically useless for finding business information. Good for directions though. I know other users have found it nearly flawless for their local business info so obviously the experience is highly dependent on user location etc.