Are the rMBP's still choppy? I played with the original gen ones in the store, and while the display is awesome, it lagged on things like Expose and scrolling in Safari. I think I'm going to pick one up with Haswell, but just curious if choppiness is still happening.
Is it choppy because the Core i7 isn't up to the task?
What is the point of a bump when the performance improvement is less than 5%? This seems completely irrelevant, I don't understand why people are saying this is a good thing. It's a completely inconsequential thing, actually.
What is the point of a bump when the performance improvement is less than 5%? This seems completely irrelevant, I don't understand why people are saying this is a good thing. It's a completely inconsequential thing, actually.
Intel refreshed its processors, so Apple decided to use new ones. The real story was the price drops on the 13" models and the higher capacity 15" models. The slightly faster processors is just an added bonus.
Is it choppy because the Core i7 isn't up to the task?
No, it's the software not being optimized for the Retina Display. The Webkit betas show much less lag, so we should see improvements with the version of Safari that ships with 10.8.3.
Are the rMBP's still choppy? I played with the original gen ones in the store, and while the display is awesome, it lagged on things like Expose and scrolling in Safari. I think I'm going to pick one up with Haswell, but just curious if choppiness is still happening.
My rmbp has never been choppy - mine is the 2.7ghz, 16gb, 768gb version. I had read about this though, maybe it was the bottom end 2.3ghz affected, I'm not sure.
That accounts for a big part of the price drop yet the performance is still on par between those two chips. The older chip has more cache but the newer one has a slightly faster graphics output. All in all it's less than 0.35% faster according to those numbers and if you ran them again it's so close it could go the other way. The take away is that Apple was able to reduce the price dramatically without a loss of performance.
My rmbp has never been choppy - mine is the 2.7ghz, 16gb, 768gb version. I had read about this though, maybe it was the bottom end 2.3ghz affected, I'm not sure.
Maybe, I don't remember which one I used. And I mean, it wasn't unusable or anything like that, but noticeably less fluid than my MacBook Air. I found the same thing with the iPad 3 (the old new iPad) versus the iPad 2.
Retina displays are amazing though. It's not just that they look great, but after looking at one, every other display looks terrible.
It's about time the prices come down a bit. Materials are getting cheaper, especially flash memory. I wish Apple would cut the prices for the higher end iPads too, because it's not even in the same universe of sanity when you look at the actual cost of the flash they use.
It's about time the prices come down a bit. Materials are getting cheaper, especially flash memory. I wish Apple would cut the prices for the higher end iPads too, because it's not even in the same universe of sanity when you look at the actual cost of the flash they use.
Well they adjust pricing when they refresh the line. This is technically a refresh similar to the early to late 2011. I thought they were going to skip these cpus. The parts officially launched at the end of September. That we're seeing some kind of refresh probably means that haswell is more than 6 months out.
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Originally Posted by Drealoth
Are the rMBP's still choppy? I played with the original gen ones in the store, and while the display is awesome, it lagged on things like Expose and scrolling in Safari. I think I'm going to pick one up with Haswell, but just curious if choppiness is still happening.
I think it's more of a software/driver issue than one of hardware. That being said, I typically wait avoid first generation products. This is still sort of a first generation.
I think it's more of a software/driver issue than one of hardware. That being said, I typically wait avoid first generation products. This is still sort of a first generation.
Faster HW is always welcome but so far the only known culprit is SW. It's interesting that scrolling issues are only happening on some sites. I wonder what is specific to FB but not AnandTech that is causing the anomaly.
Everyone else does why not? I think I am going to buy one then sue Apple because they are not spending enough cash and I cannot up the memory in 5 years so the laptop becomes obsolete. Even though I knew this before I bought it.
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Is it choppy because the Core i7 isn't up to the task?
I actually prefer MaBook.
Why don't you sue Apple then, whiner.
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Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist
What is the point of a bump when the performance improvement is less than 5%? This seems completely irrelevant, I don't understand why people are saying this is a good thing. It's a completely inconsequential thing, actually.
Intel refreshed its processors, so Apple decided to use new ones. The real story was the price drops on the 13" models and the higher capacity 15" models. The slightly faster processors is just an added bonus.
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton
Is it choppy because the Core i7 isn't up to the task?
No, it's the software not being optimized for the Retina Display. The Webkit betas show much less lag, so we should see improvements with the version of Safari that ships with 10.8.3.
My rmbp has never been choppy - mine is the 2.7ghz, 16gb, 768gb version. I had read about this though, maybe it was the bottom end 2.3ghz affected, I'm not sure.
Thanks - most informative
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My rmbp has never been choppy - mine is the 2.7ghz, 16gb, 768gb version. I had read about this though, maybe it was the bottom end 2.3ghz affected, I'm not sure.
Maybe, I don't remember which one I used. And I mean, it wasn't unusable or anything like that, but noticeably less fluid than my MacBook Air. I found the same thing with the iPad 3 (the old new iPad) versus the iPad 2.
Retina displays are amazing though. It's not just that they look great, but after looking at one, every other display looks terrible.
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Originally Posted by zorinlynx
It's about time the prices come down a bit. Materials are getting cheaper, especially flash memory. I wish Apple would cut the prices for the higher end iPads too, because it's not even in the same universe of sanity when you look at the actual cost of the flash they use.
Well they adjust pricing when they refresh the line. This is technically a refresh similar to the early to late 2011. I thought they were going to skip these cpus. The parts officially launched at the end of September. That we're seeing some kind of refresh probably means that haswell is more than 6 months out.
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Originally Posted by Drealoth
Are the rMBP's still choppy? I played with the original gen ones in the store, and while the display is awesome, it lagged on things like Expose and scrolling in Safari. I think I'm going to pick one up with Haswell, but just curious if choppiness is still happening.
I think it's more of a software/driver issue than one of hardware. That being said, I typically wait avoid first generation products. This is still sort of a first generation.
Here is what KPOM mentioned previously: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6495/latest-webkit-build-doubles-scrolling-performance-on-macbook-pro-with-retina-display
Faster HW is always welcome but so far the only known culprit is SW. It's interesting that scrolling issues are only happening on some sites. I wonder what is specific to FB but not AnandTech that is causing the anomaly.
Everyone else does why not? I think I am going to buy one then sue Apple because they are not spending enough cash and I cannot up the memory in 5 years so the laptop becomes obsolete. Even though I knew this before I bought it.