Granted it's only a little bit thicker, but if IGZO screen and better camera and all that equals a thicker, heavier iPad mini (even by a tiny bit) I certainly won't be buying it and I think a lot of folks will feel the same.
Nobody knows if it'll be IGZO or not. People have been talking about IGZO displays for a long time now, and they haven't shown up on any iPad to date so far.
As for being heavier, I'd say that that's most likely the case, going by previous iPad releases. A larger battery will be necessary and also some additional backlighting perhaps. The people who claim to demand a retina iPad Mini can't have their cake and eat it too. They should make up their minds.
While it can be said some factories can't be reliable, there are plenty that can be relied upon. On my trip to China in August of last year we visited a factory that had completed about 15 different iPhone 5 cases just a week after the announcement. In order to have 15 cases ready they had to have about 2-3 months of lead time. It is impossible to have 15 molds ready and already producing a week after the product announcement. I asked how they had so quickly made molds and produced cases. The answer: they purchased drawings directly from Foxconn. They received detailed specs on the phone and made the case accordingly. Sure enough the case I brought home fit perfectly on my new iPhone 5.
Back to my original point on how some factories may be more reliable. This is my theory: It all depends on where the factory is in China. These factories are all connected and in the know. Especially when they are in the same region. The factories I deal with are all in the southern part of China, the same region where all the main Foxconn factories are located that produce the Apple iPad and iPhone. If these leaked parts come from a factory in the southern part of China I would be confident they are correct. These factories know what is reliable information and they know what is not. Not only are they willing to invest the money in raw materials, but they also invest the money, man power in producing the molds, which a mold can cost anywhere from 10 to 20 thousand. .
So, where are these parts from exactly? Well if they are from the southern part of China, I would bet they are pretty accurate!
One good obvious reason would be better thumb typing in portrait mode of course.
For the record, even though it's rarely out of my hands all day, personally I almost never pick up the iPad mini in one hand in the way that you are referring to.
It's certainly possible to do it, but I don't find it comfortable or handy at all, and I have large hands.
So the benefit you see to the smaller side bezels I don't see at all, and the benefit you don't see, I would welcome. Different strokes etc. ...
its funny that everything you said in this post is basically what I said in the post you quoted from me...you just edited it out and restated it in a different way.
What's the word on what sort of CPU is going to be inside?
The same as iPad 4, or is there some new CPU ready by the time the iPad 5 comes out?
I'm looking forward to the iPad 5, since I deliberately skipped the 4, but I'm hoping that the iPad 5 is even more powerful than 4, otherwise I'll wait for iPad 6, and that probably won't be that far away, if Apple has indeed bumped up their release schedule.
If an iPad 5 is going to be released over the next few months a faster SoC is unlikely. I think that will only happen when Apple moves on to a significantly smaller fab process due to power consumption issues related with more powerful processors - TSMC's 20nm process next year maybe. Of course there is the possibility that Apple may transfer its SoC manufacture to TSMC's 28nm process this year, as has been rumored on occasion, which would result in a 30 percent die reduction size and an equivalent reduction in power consumption or increase in process performance. But from what I understand Apple is sticking with Samsung and its 32nm process at least until the end of the year. Anyway the iPad 4 is not lacking in performance, its main issue and a really big one at that, is its weight and to a lesser extent its thickness - it really quite shocked me at the time when the Mini came out and I picked up an iPad 4 for comparison. A thinner and considerably lighter iPad 5 would be extremely welcome, even if it sticks with the same A6x SoC.
My issue with this is the charging ports. The iPad 4 has the lightning charger on it and in these cases they have it at a 30 pin. Reliability of this leak = NONE
My issue with this is the charging ports. The iPad 4 has the lightning charger on it and in these cases they have it at a 30 pin. Reliability of this leak = NONE
Not saying its reliable, but they're lightning with speaker grills next to it- not 30-pin.
I think making it thinner and lighter is a great idea, especially lighter. They should make it look more like the ipad mini and also offer it in the same two colors as the mini and it would be perfect. I don't believe they should make any drastic hardware changes though, maybe make it twice as fast but hopefully they don't add widgets or live wallpapers.
right, and I agree it could get a tad narrower, but not to the extent of the Mini. No way. It's fine on the mini because 90% of your hand holds it from the back of the device, not from the bezel. When I hold the mini, my thumb is more a stabilizer than a grip. On the 10" iPad, my thumb is full-grip on the front. Now, with a lighter iPad that might not be an issue anymore. That's why I said I'll see it fist before I fully judge...even though for me the jury is already out :P
I just don't see why Apple would go with narrow side bezels for the 10" iPad. It makes no sense. In the mini (which I admit i was wrong about the bezels in it) makes sense because you can grip the device with one hand (awkwardly but you can). With the 10" iPad, it makes no sense, in fact, it would make holding it more difficult, granted they have improved the accidental touch issues with the Mini but it assumes we all hold the iPad in landscape mode (quite the contrary in my case). It might make typing with two thumbs better in portrait, but I never do this to begin with. LIke I said, i have been wrong about it before, so we'll just see when it's released.
Apple is all about symmetry in their product lines.
granted they have improved the accidental touch issues with the Mini
Did they change the touch sensitivity on the mini? I noticed that mine did not seem to be as responsive as my iPad 3 and often I have to tap more than once or more forcefully to trigger a button. It does not seem to be consistently unresponsive but often enough that I wondered if the new thinner screen technology was not as sensitive as the full size iPad.
What's the point of the update, then? It has an A6X now. So the "iPad 5" would basically exist for the sole purpose of a thinner side bezel. Completely worthless! The trolls would have a field day, and they'd be right for once in their existence.
The last Apple product (of ANY product) to be given an update without a change to the CPU was the iPhone 3G. Before that, it was a computer in the mid '90s pre-Jobs.
Sure, we can also expect the capacities to move to 32/64/128 (maybe), but that's still not an update. The trolls would be able to say "they didn't update it and are calling it a new product", and unlike when they said it for the iPhone 4S, 5, and iPad 4, many of us would agree with them.
One of the supposed reeasons to move to IGZO screens was for a significant drop in power demand. The screens are also thinner, so IGZO would not produce a thicker iPad on its own. At this point the only reason I could see for a thicker iPad would be new battery technology. In that regard there is more research going on with respect to new battery tech than there is new screen tech.
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Nobody knows if it'll be IGZO or not. People have been talking about IGZO displays for a long time now, and they haven't shown up on any iPad to date so far.
As for being heavier, I'd say that that's most likely the case, going by previous iPad releases. A larger battery will be necessary and also some additional backlighting perhaps. The people who claim to demand a retina iPad Mini can't have their cake and eat it too. They should make up their minds.
If the only difference between the 4 & 5 is the 5 sports the mini form factor I don't see the point of it. I'm assuming the A7 and iOS 7 will be saved for later in the year. So what else would Apple have o make upgrading worth it?
Isn't it rather silly to be asking what the point is of a rumored update - that no one knows anything about?
If Apple updates a product, then you can ask whether the update is significant. But making wild guesses based on nothing more than a rumor that there will be a new case is silly.
I just don't see why Apple would go with narrow side bezels for the 10" iPad. It makes no sense. In the mini (which I admit i was wrong about the bezels in it) makes sense because you can grip the device with one hand (awkwardly but you can). With the 10" iPad, it makes no sense, in fact, it would make holding it more difficult, granted they have improved the accidental touch issues with the Mini but it assumes we all hold the iPad in landscape mode (quite the contrary in my case). It might make typing with two thumbs better in portrait, but I never do this to begin with. LIke I said, i have been wrong about it before, so we'll just see when it's released.
Yeah, I am not sure about the thin bezels. I don't have a mini, but maybe they got things straight and it is ok. I would be fine if they reduced the bezels and increased the display in the current dimensions but would probably introduce some difficulties with developers and such. I am not an expert in screens so I don't know , but it would be nice to have a larger screen in the same package if they could swing it.
If that's the case, then I guess that it won't be any more powerful. If they use a smaller die CPU for the iPad 5, then I suppose that it'll get slightly better battery life, like the iPad 2 did, when Apple updated the CPU for the second revision of the iPad 2.
Apple will only announce the CPU at the announcement date. Now, the ARM processors that are currently on the market are 32 Bit. It would not surprise me if the next release this year OR next year will be 64 Bit. It's inevitable, but I'm not sure I would bet on 64 bit this year, most likely next year. I'm sure they might be integrating 802.11ac since that's SUPPOSED to be finalized this year. At least, so they say. But if they announce new 32BIt processors, they could simply add more cores, maybe faster speed. Apple also had a patent approved where they layered the processor cores on top of NAND memory, so they might be something along those lines coming out in the next year or two.
Apple will only announce the CPU at the announcement date. Now, the ARM processors that are currently on the market are 32 Bit. It would not surprise me if the next release this year OR next year will be 64 Bit. It's inevitable, but I'm not sure I would bet on 64 bit this year, most likely next year. I'm sure they might be integrating 802.11ac since that's SUPPOSED to be finalized this year. At least, so they say. But if they announce new 32BIt processors, they could simply add more cores, maybe faster speed. Apple also had a patent approved where they layered the processor cores on top of NAND memory, so they might be something along those lines coming out in the next year or two.
1) I think it's more important to word it to note Apple won't support AArch64 until it's more efficient than AArch32. I know it sounds nitpicky but we get too much "but such-and-such has been using blah blah for yada yada yada" around here.
AArch64 features:
New instruction set, A64
31 general-purpose 64-bit registers
Instructions are still 32 bits long and mostly the same as A32
Most instructions can take 32-bit or 64-bit arguments
Addresses assumed to be 64-bit
— Advanced SIMD (NEON) enhanced
Has 32 × 128-bit registers (up from 16), also accessible via VFPv4
Supports double-precision floating point
Fully IEEE 754 compliant
AES encrypt/decrypt and SHA-1/SHA-2 hashing instructions also use these registers
— A new exception system
Fewer banked registers and modes
— Memory translation from 48-bit virtual addresses based on the existing LPAE, which was designed to be easily extended to 64-bit
2) I'm not so sure 802.11ac will be in any iDevice this year. We have yet to see any Macs or routers with it and I haven't seen any word of adequate chips for handheld devices that would make it more power efficient over 802.11n for a similar performance. I've only seen news about chips that support 433 Mbit/s chips with is 1 stream at 80MHz for handhelds.
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
Granted it's only a little bit thicker, but if IGZO screen and better camera and all that equals a thicker, heavier iPad mini (even by a tiny bit) I certainly won't be buying it and I think a lot of folks will feel the same.
Nobody knows if it'll be IGZO or not. People have been talking about IGZO displays for a long time now, and they haven't shown up on any iPad to date so far.
As for being heavier, I'd say that that's most likely the case, going by previous iPad releases. A larger battery will be necessary and also some additional backlighting perhaps. The people who claim to demand a retina iPad Mini can't have their cake and eat it too. They should make up their minds.
Back to my original point on how some factories may be more reliable. This is my theory: It all depends on where the factory is in China. These factories are all connected and in the know. Especially when they are in the same region. The factories I deal with are all in the southern part of China, the same region where all the main Foxconn factories are located that produce the Apple iPad and iPhone. If these leaked parts come from a factory in the southern part of China I would be confident they are correct. These factories know what is reliable information and they know what is not. Not only are they willing to invest the money in raw materials, but they also invest the money, man power in producing the molds, which a mold can cost anywhere from 10 to 20 thousand. .
So, where are these parts from exactly? Well if they are from the southern part of China, I would bet they are pretty accurate!
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Originally Posted by Gazoobee
One good obvious reason would be better thumb typing in portrait mode of course.
For the record, even though it's rarely out of my hands all day, personally I almost never pick up the iPad mini in one hand in the way that you are referring to.
It's certainly possible to do it, but I don't find it comfortable or handy at all, and I have large hands.
So the benefit you see to the smaller side bezels I don't see at all, and the benefit you don't see, I would welcome. Different strokes etc. ...
its funny that everything you said in this post is basically what I said in the post you quoted from me...you just edited it out and restated it in a different way.
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What's the word on what sort of CPU is going to be inside?
The same as iPad 4, or is there some new CPU ready by the time the iPad 5 comes out?
I'm looking forward to the iPad 5, since I deliberately skipped the 4, but I'm hoping that the iPad 5 is even more powerful than 4, otherwise I'll wait for iPad 6, and that probably won't be that far away, if Apple has indeed bumped up their release schedule.
If an iPad 5 is going to be released over the next few months a faster SoC is unlikely. I think that will only happen when Apple moves on to a significantly smaller fab process due to power consumption issues related with more powerful processors - TSMC's 20nm process next year maybe. Of course there is the possibility that Apple may transfer its SoC manufacture to TSMC's 28nm process this year, as has been rumored on occasion, which would result in a 30 percent die reduction size and an equivalent reduction in power consumption or increase in process performance. But from what I understand Apple is sticking with Samsung and its 32nm process at least until the end of the year. Anyway the iPad 4 is not lacking in performance, its main issue and a really big one at that, is its weight and to a lesser extent its thickness - it really quite shocked me at the time when the Mini came out and I picked up an iPad 4 for comparison. A thinner and considerably lighter iPad 5 would be extremely welcome, even if it sticks with the same A6x SoC.
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right, and I agree it could get a tad narrower, but not to the extent of the Mini. No way. It's fine on the mini because 90% of your hand holds it from the back of the device, not from the bezel. When I hold the mini, my thumb is more a stabilizer than a grip. On the 10" iPad, my thumb is full-grip on the front. Now, with a lighter iPad that might not be an issue anymore. That's why I said I'll see it fist before I fully judge...even though for me the jury is already out :P
Looks like you have judged quite fully already
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Originally Posted by antkm1
I just don't see why Apple would go with narrow side bezels for the 10" iPad. It makes no sense. In the mini (which I admit i was wrong about the bezels in it) makes sense because you can grip the device with one hand (awkwardly but you can). With the 10" iPad, it makes no sense, in fact, it would make holding it more difficult, granted they have improved the accidental touch issues with the Mini but it assumes we all hold the iPad in landscape mode (quite the contrary in my case). It might make typing with two thumbs better in portrait, but I never do this to begin with. LIke I said, i have been wrong about it before, so we'll just see when it's released.
Apple is all about symmetry in their product lines.
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granted they have improved the accidental touch issues with the Mini
Did they change the touch sensitivity on the mini? I noticed that mine did not seem to be as responsive as my iPad 3 and often I have to tap more than once or more forcefully to trigger a button. It does not seem to be consistently unresponsive but often enough that I wondered if the new thinner screen technology was not as sensitive as the full size iPad.
Originally Posted by Andysol
Just curious- why?
What's the point of the update, then? It has an A6X now. So the "iPad 5" would basically exist for the sole purpose of a thinner side bezel. Completely worthless! The trolls would have a field day, and they'd be right for once in their existence.
The last Apple product (of ANY product) to be given an update without a change to the CPU was the iPhone 3G. Before that, it was a computer in the mid '90s pre-Jobs.
Sure, we can also expect the capacities to move to 32/64/128 (maybe), but that's still not an update. The trolls would be able to say "they didn't update it and are calling it a new product", and unlike when they said it for the iPhone 4S, 5, and iPad 4, many of us would agree with them.
If the only difference between the 4 & 5 is the 5 sports the mini form factor I don't see the point of it. I'm assuming the A7 and iOS 7 will be saved for later in the year. So what else would Apple have o make upgrading worth it?
Isn't it rather silly to be asking what the point is of a rumored update - that no one knows anything about?
If Apple updates a product, then you can ask whether the update is significant. But making wild guesses based on nothing more than a rumor that there will be a new case is silly.
Yeah, I am not sure about the thin bezels. I don't have a mini, but maybe they got things straight and it is ok. I would be fine if they reduced the bezels and increased the display in the current dimensions but would probably introduce some difficulties with developers and such. I am not an expert in screens so I don't know , but it would be nice to have a larger screen in the same package if they could swing it.
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Isn't it rather silly to be asking what the point is of a rumored update - that no one knows anything about?
I'm calling out a condition for said update postulated by someone here, not the actual rumor or anything Apple has done.
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If that's the case, then I guess that it won't be any more powerful. If they use a smaller die CPU for the iPad 5, then I suppose that it'll get slightly better battery life, like the iPad 2 did, when Apple updated the CPU for the second revision of the iPad 2.
Apple will only announce the CPU at the announcement date. Now, the ARM processors that are currently on the market are 32 Bit. It would not surprise me if the next release this year OR next year will be 64 Bit. It's inevitable, but I'm not sure I would bet on 64 bit this year, most likely next year. I'm sure they might be integrating 802.11ac since that's SUPPOSED to be finalized this year. At least, so they say. But if they announce new 32BIt processors, they could simply add more cores, maybe faster speed. Apple also had a patent approved where they layered the processor cores on top of NAND memory, so they might be something along those lines coming out in the next year or two.
1) I think it's more important to word it to note Apple won't support AArch64 until it's more efficient than AArch32. I know it sounds nitpicky but we get too much "but such-and-such has been using blah blah for yada yada yada" around here.
2) I'm not so sure 802.11ac will be in any iDevice this year. We have yet to see any Macs or routers with it and I haven't seen any word of adequate chips for handheld devices that would make it more power efficient over 802.11n for a similar performance. I've only seen news about chips that support 433 Mbit/s chips with is 1 stream at 80MHz for handhelds.