Ugh...why does everyone on this thread have to quote jragosta? I'm more than happy to have his comments hidden as I blocked him long ago. Trying to follow along with his illogical rants is enough to drive someone crazy.
Ugh...why does everyone on this thread have to quote jragosta? I'm more than happy to have his comments hidden as I blocked him long ago. Trying to follow along with his illogical rants is enough to drive someone crazy.
You apparently think that ignoring inconvenient facts makes them go away. Ask this guy how that works out for him:
Being able to look on a phone and easily see the general areas a person has been, had all sorts of privacy and safety issues... although more from the non-government side, since this can be info that a regular user can access.
Imagine if a spouse abuser gets hold of his victim's phone and extracts the info... now they know the general area of the victim's safe house and can stalk them there. Ditto for criminal or terrorist or spy groups who want to see if their newest "recruits" also visit Washington DC to meet with officials, etc.
Location services are great; people just need to be aware of certain files and logging if their situation requires it.
You are delusional if you don’t think Apple wants to know every single thing about you to sell you more products.
Absolutely nothing you have said about Google selling your personal information to third parties is true. They guard their analytics and data. That is their product. They want to keep it out of the hands of their competitors (organic search algorithms are the same way, it is a closely guard secret) Why would they allow Bing, Yahoo, Apple, Facebook, Tribal fusion, advertise.com, magnetic.com, etc. get to their information and use it to sell their own service?
In fact in recent years Google has removed features in their Analytics product because it was giving away information about their search and cpc algorithms. They want to keep that information secret so they can sell us more quality advertising that will reach people that are potentially interested in our service or product.
Online advertising is what I do. I work for an org that has an extensive online advertising program ranging from CPC and network display to retargeting pixel display ads and affiliate programs. Never are we given ANY of their data. This INCLUDES "EVIL" GOOGLE. We buy a certain group/network/segment/target demo and the ad service will place our ad on their network of targeted websites or display it to people the ad service thinks might be interested. Otherwise the viewer will never click the ad and the ad service will never get paid.
How did you see his comment if you have him blocked?
I imagine block list comments show up for a user much like deleted comments show up for us. They're just collapsed, and a click will bring them back up.
<span style="line-height:1.231;">As many have stated they DONT sell the personal information. It is closely guarded. That is how they make money.</span>
Right. So they make money by doing nothing with your data. In fact, they probably delete it as soon as they get it because they never use your personal information. /s
How the flipping heck do you think Google makes billions of dollars? By selling your information.
Pull faster JR. You've got a long ways to go with those goalposts. The truth is out there somewhere and if you keep moving you're bound to stumble on it in spite of yourself.
That's how far away it'll cache a tower, yes. However, go to the top of this thread, and look at an actual map to see how much tighter the info turns out to be.
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Right. So they make money by doing nothing with your data. In fact, they probably delete it as soon as they get it because they never use your personal information. /s
How the flipping heck do you think Google makes billions of dollars? By selling your information.
Google sells anonymous ad placements... just like Apple does with iAds.
Google also no doubt sells aggregated information about the percentage of people who like this, that, or the other thing. Again, anonymous info.
Right. So they make money by doing nothing with your data. In fact, they probably delete it as soon as they get it because they never use your personal information. /s
How the flipping heck do you think Google makes billions of dollars? By selling your information.
You need help?
Google, Yahoo, Bing, Apple, Facebook, etc. do not sell your ACTUAL personal information. It stays all in house. That information is never given to anyone. None of the advertisers see the data. The clients of these ad services buy or target segments or demographics of the ad services network. People that like and search for things such as Red Shoes, Sports Cars, or iPad. I cannot purchase Ads to be shown to only jragosta, because right now if I could I would flood your internet with the most obscene ads I could find. That would be money well spent.
Google is selling a demographic or target segment of their network. They make their billions on the advanced algorithm used to find those they know will be interested in a product or service.
If I am selling widgets, I want my ads to be shown to people that like and will potentially buy widgets. People that only like flanges are not as valuable to me. Though I might buy that targeted segment and use ads that are designed to try and convert them to widgets. It is much cheaper and a better ROI to keep customers than to gain new customers. Marketing 101
Google, Yahoo, Bing, Apple, Facebook, etc. do not sell your ACTUAL personal information. It stays all in house. That information is never given to anyone. None of the advertisers see the data.
I get it. So if I steal your car, it's perfectly OK as long as I sell it along with a bunch of other stolen cars and don't tell anyone which one is yours.
Google, Yahoo, Bing, Apple, Facebook, etc. do not sell your ACTUAL personal information. It stays all in house. That information is never given to anyone. None of the advertisers see the data.
I get it. So if I steal your car, it's perfectly OK as long as I sell it along with a bunch of other stolen cars and don't tell anyone which one is yours.
Got it.
I'm not sure that's a good analogy. It's more like they have a photo of your car, that you gave them, and they sell that with a bunch of other car photos without identifying which is yours.
I'm not sure that's a good analogy. It's more like they have a photo of your car, that you gave them, and they sell that with a bunch of other car photos without identifying which is yours.
Heck, the advertisers don't even see that much info. In fact, they see nothing personal about us.
All they do is ask Google or Apple to target a certain demographic, and give them the ads.
When asked to supply an ad, Google or Apple checks to see what ads fit our demographic, and serves back one that seems appropriate.
The advertiser themselves HAS NO ANY IDEA WHO SEES THEIR ADS. All they get is a count. A viewer would have to click on one, go to that advertiser's website, and then enter their personal info on purpose, for the advertiser to get such info.
So a better analogy would be that the advertisers give a stack of prepaid car photo postcards, with their name on the back, to Google/Apple, and ask them to hand out the right photo to people who might be most interested in each model. After that, it's up to the viewer to take action and contact the advertiser.
I get it. So if I steal your car, it's perfectly OK as long as I sell it along with a bunch of other stolen cars and don't tell anyone which one is yours.
Got it.
This is a bad analogy. In fact the concept of ad services selling online advertising is not that difficult that it requires a dumb down analogy to help explain it. If you are not able to understand the process without your bad car analogy, then you probably should not be making false blanket statements about the subject.
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Ugh...why does everyone on this thread have to quote jragosta? I'm more than happy to have his comments hidden as I blocked him long ago. Trying to follow along with his illogical rants is enough to drive someone crazy.
You apparently think that ignoring inconvenient facts makes them go away. Ask this guy how that works out for him:
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Originally Posted by jragosta
You apparently think that ignoring inconvenient facts makes them go away. Ask this guy how that works out for him
I love how liberally you throw around the word 'fact'. Trust me, if there is one word that can sum up your posts, it is most definitely not 'factual'.
To within a 50+ square mile area.
That's because you're delusional and a paid Google shill.
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I love how liberally you throw around the word 'fact'. Trust me, if there is one word that can sum up your posts, it is most definitely not 'factual'.
How did you see his comment if you have him blocked?
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Their entire business is based on learning everything they can about you
As many have stated they DONT sell the personal information. It is closely guarded. That is how they make money.
As for the part about "learning everything you can about you"
So does every other business in the world it is call Analytics and Marketing.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/
You are delusional if you don’t think Apple wants to know every single thing about you to sell you more products.
Absolutely nothing you have said about Google selling your personal information to third parties is true. They guard their analytics and data. That is their product. They want to keep it out of the hands of their competitors (organic search algorithms are the same way, it is a closely guard secret) Why would they allow Bing, Yahoo, Apple, Facebook, Tribal fusion, advertise.com, magnetic.com, etc. get to their information and use it to sell their own service?
In fact in recent years Google has removed features in their Analytics product because it was giving away information about their search and cpc algorithms. They want to keep that information secret so they can sell us more quality advertising that will reach people that are potentially interested in our service or product.
Online advertising is what I do. I work for an org that has an extensive online advertising program ranging from CPC and network display to retargeting pixel display ads and affiliate programs. Never are we given ANY of their data. This INCLUDES "EVIL" GOOGLE. We buy a certain group/network/segment/target demo and the ad service will place our ad on their network of targeted websites or display it to people the ad service thinks might be interested. Otherwise the viewer will never click the ad and the ad service will never get paid.
Originally Posted by Proximityeffect
How did you see his comment if you have him blocked?
I imagine block list comments show up for a user much like deleted comments show up for us. They're just collapsed, and a click will bring them back up.
Right. So they make money by doing nothing with your data. In fact, they probably delete it as soon as they get it because they never use your personal information. /s
How the flipping heck do you think Google makes billions of dollars? By selling your information.
Pull faster JR. You've got a long ways to go with those goalposts. The truth is out there somewhere and if you keep moving you're bound to stumble on it in spite of yourself.
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Originally Posted by Steven N.
To within a 50+ square mile area.
That's how far away it'll cache a tower, yes. However, go to the top of this thread, and look at an actual map to see how much tighter the info turns out to be.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Right. So they make money by doing nothing with your data. In fact, they probably delete it as soon as they get it because they never use your personal information. /s
How the flipping heck do you think Google makes billions of dollars? By selling your information.
Google sells anonymous ad placements... just like Apple does with iAds.
Google also no doubt sells aggregated information about the percentage of people who like this, that, or the other thing. Again, anonymous info.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
Right. So they make money by doing nothing with your data. In fact, they probably delete it as soon as they get it because they never use your personal information. /s
How the flipping heck do you think Google makes billions of dollars? By selling your information.
You need help?
Google, Yahoo, Bing, Apple, Facebook, etc. do not sell your ACTUAL personal information. It stays all in house. That information is never given to anyone. None of the advertisers see the data. The clients of these ad services buy or target segments or demographics of the ad services network. People that like and search for things such as Red Shoes, Sports Cars, or iPad. I cannot purchase Ads to be shown to only jragosta, because right now if I could I would flood your internet with the most obscene ads I could find. That would be money well spent.
Google is selling a demographic or target segment of their network. They make their billions on the advanced algorithm used to find those they know will be interested in a product or service.
If I am selling widgets, I want my ads to be shown to people that like and will potentially buy widgets. People that only like flanges are not as valuable to me. Though I might buy that targeted segment and use ads that are designed to try and convert them to widgets. It is much cheaper and a better ROI to keep customers than to gain new customers. Marketing 101
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Originally Posted by jragosta
That's because you're delusional and a paid Google shill.
And we come full circle with the ad hominem attack. Oh jragosta, you are so predictable...
I get it. So if I steal your car, it's perfectly OK as long as I sell it along with a bunch of other stolen cars and don't tell anyone which one is yours.
Got it.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
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Originally Posted by malta
You need help?
Google, Yahoo, Bing, Apple, Facebook, etc. do not sell your ACTUAL personal information. It stays all in house. That information is never given to anyone. None of the advertisers see the data.
I get it. So if I steal your car, it's perfectly OK as long as I sell it along with a bunch of other stolen cars and don't tell anyone which one is yours.
Got it.
I'm not sure that's a good analogy. It's more like they have a photo of your car, that you gave them, and they sell that with a bunch of other car photos without identifying which is yours.
Not being able to prove it does'nt not mean that harm has not been done.
It just that proof can not be reliably presented in the court of law.
At the end of the day, more information than necessary is in the hand of those who did not get permission.
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Originally Posted by muppetry
I'm not sure that's a good analogy. It's more like they have a photo of your car, that you gave them, and they sell that with a bunch of other car photos without identifying which is yours.
Heck, the advertisers don't even see that much info. In fact, they see nothing personal about us.
All they do is ask Google or Apple to target a certain demographic, and give them the ads.
When asked to supply an ad, Google or Apple checks to see what ads fit our demographic, and serves back one that seems appropriate.
The advertiser themselves HAS NO ANY IDEA WHO SEES THEIR ADS. All they get is a count. A viewer would have to click on one, go to that advertiser's website, and then enter their personal info on purpose, for the advertiser to get such info.
So a better analogy would be that the advertisers give a stack of prepaid car photo postcards, with their name on the back, to Google/Apple, and ask them to hand out the right photo to people who might be most interested in each model. After that, it's up to the viewer to take action and contact the advertiser.
Originally Posted by MacRulez
Citation needed.
I'll agree with that. If there's reasonable reason to suspect we'd look into it, but if there's no proof it shouldn't be said.
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Originally Posted by jragosta
I get it. So if I steal your car, it's perfectly OK as long as I sell it along with a bunch of other stolen cars and don't tell anyone which one is yours.
Got it.
This is a bad analogy. In fact the concept of ad services selling online advertising is not that difficult that it requires a dumb down analogy to help explain it. If you are not able to understand the process without your bad car analogy, then you probably should not be making false blanket statements about the subject.